Honest Abe

[quote name="ozensfinest" post="1348441" timestamp="1354568862"] Stop bring up when perk played...I'm not even speaking on that team look at the success the 07 team had 08...you have to posed the question why isn't ozen winning like they were in the past...Do you guys honestly think Nederland would be winning district if boutte was still at ozen honestly? That's all I'm saying Boutte set a standard for ozen basketball program and if that standard can't be kept or improved then there needs to be another guy coaching point blank...the talent has been evenly distributed is BS to me ozen still has the best basketball players in the area point losing to Nederland WB Central etc is not acceptable and being an ozen alum I know they deserve better [/quote]Boutte's 2003/2004 Team lost to Vidor 3 times in one year, so yes, I do believe Nederland would still be winning district championships if he were still coach.  ;)

[quote name="ballin4life" post="1348342" timestamp="1354560760"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=106883.msg1348234#msg1348234 date=1354549768] [quote author=BmtTopFlight2017 link=topic=106883.msg1348231#msg1348231 date=1354549243] @HonestAbe.. dont take what I said negatively....I meant that probably moved into the district..I was simply saying that alot of kids dont wanna wait to play so their going elsewhere..personally I see nothing wrong with it..prepare your team no matter who the other team has..I like Nederland...I think fundamentals are where its at even tho some think u should just let players run up and and down the court with no structure. . [/quote]Trust me, I didn't take what you said negatively. Like you, I'm all about facts, not nonsense talk (most of the time)  ;) and I just wanted to set the record straight. [/quote]  you really didnt set the record straight..... if a parents wants their kid to move out of Paisd for whateva reason i dont see anything wrong with that, but dont sit on here and pretend that NED. DONT HAVE KIDZ THAT COME FROM PA [/quote]Never said they weren't FROM PA, i said they didn't TRANSFER from PAM. We also have kids who are zoned to NISD who live in Pt. Neches too. It's been like this for as long as I've been alive.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1348168" timestamp="1354542297"] There is only one way I know of to take the refs out of it. Hit your free throws, minimize your turnovers , control the boards, make your easy baskets,etc.... [/quote]Missed FTs and layups are THE reason WB beat us last Tuesday in OT. Didn't miss many on Saturday when we played WB again, and the outcome was much different. Central beat us Saturday morning at the FT line. We made ours too 7/9, but they were at the line about twice as much and didn't miss many.

[quote name="BmtTopFlight2017" post="1348231" timestamp="1354549243"] @HonestAbe.. dont take what I said negatively....I meant that probably moved into the district..I was simply saying that alot of kids dont wanna wait to play so their going elsewhere..personally I see nothing wrong with it..prepare your team no matter who the other team has..I like Nederland...I think fundamentals are where its at even tho some think u should just let players run up and and down the court with no structure. . [/quote]Trust me, I didn't take what you said negatively. Like you, I'm all about facts, not nonsense talk (most of the time)  ;) and I just wanted to set the record straight.

[quote name="5 on 5" post="1348149" timestamp="1354538356"] To Ozensfinest: Above you mention Nederland and state that Ozen is "supposed to beat teams like that". Obviously you're not talking about talent level so can you explain what you mean when you say "teams like that"  >:( [/quote]I think you know what he means.  :-X

[quote name="BmtTopFlight2017" post="1348134" timestamp="1354517312"] Ummm OzensFinest I'm sure every team has goals of winning state so your making no sense which means your talkin nonsense....you keep saying they lost to Central and Nederland which by the way is your only basis...like they couldn't have lost to those teams if Boutte coached them..Correct me if im wrong but Boutte lost to a lot teams who were suppose to be cakewalks so they weren't invincible during his era..if my memory serves me correctly the same man your straddling the back of lost I believe 3 state championships ...wow guess that makes him a bad coach huh....nope still a great coach can't take away from what he's done.....and if memory serves me correct they beat Nederland to go to the reg semis WHEN IT COUNTED..so u have no arguement.....the Jones game well when you have a one point lead,in the bonus and your so called best player decides to jack an ill advised three with 1min and change left then you lose..but that wasnt Saveat fault ask then player and he'll tell you himself...Furthermore u do realize the talent has been evenly distributed amongst the high schools now..Central and West Brook were getting maybe 2 good players per school while Ozen got the bulk of talent well times have changed...Ozen had ppl who could play but didnt even see the court because of the abundance of talent...kids want to play which is why they transfer from memorial to go to PNG and NEDERLAND....and from Ozen to Central and West Brook..told u bro I talk facts now stay off the fiction...So if not winning district and going deeper in the playoffs than the team that beats u in district is taking the program down then I guess I have the IQ of a grape...ramble on about how the program has gone down nobody is listening and if that's the case why don't u restore them to the glory days...better yet why don't u add something positive like helping instead of criticizing behind your iPad...because ppl like u wanna see ppl fail so u can push your agenda of saying they need a coaching change...just a note to u tho...I dont agree with some things about how things go at my sons school did I say fire the coach...nope ...I went to the practices and asked the coach what could I do to help...because I want all of the kids to succeed...maybe u should do the same OZENSFINEST...Be positive instead of negative my fellow Ozen supporter.. [/quote]I agree with most of your post, but would you like to elaborate on which players 'transferred' from PAM to Nederland? This has been discussed MANY times on this board, and there has only been ONE kid who didn't attend Nederland schools from at least the 6th grade. That kid started attending Nederland in 9th grade.  8)

[quote name="BmtTopFlight2017" post="1348196" timestamp="1354546327"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=106991.msg1348168#msg1348168 date=1354542297] There is only one way I know of to take the refs out of it. Hit your free throws, minimize your turnovers , control the boards, make your easy baskets,etc.... [/quote] BD3 thats true but let me ask u this...do u think Wheatley will come back..lol...probably not..I think Houston schools will avoid the ymbl because of inconsistency with the officiating..which will in turn water down the competition... [/quote]That is exactly what will happen and it's sad. The Bmt Chapter has had many issues in the past, and it seems they continue to burry themselves deeper in the hole in which they created for themselves. Unless BISD acknowledges what's going on and changes something, the YMBL will go back to being local team's only.

[quote name="ozensfinest" post="1348078" timestamp="1354508372"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=106883.msg1347757#msg1347757 date=1354484375] [quote author=ozensfinest link=topic=106883.msg1347745#msg1347745 date=1354482519] [quote author=BmtTopFlight2017 link=topic=106883.msg1347733#msg1347733 date=1354481043] Someone told me not to entertain stupidity..but I'm not soft spoken..OZENSFINEST you sound bitter for one...maybe because your basketball career didn't go as planned...or who knows...but that's a big problem I have with people like u..who go around broadcasting someone be fired..you may not like him as a coach or even a person that's your prerogative, but to say he deserves to have his livelihood taken in pure asinine..even tho people don't agree with Centrals coach and how he runs his program guess what he's winning.. Same thing can be said for Coach Simon at West Brook...your talkin about Boutte as he if was GOD OF BASKETBALL and whomever doesn't coach his style is doomed for failure..typical Willie Lynch here...ok you played your time is OVER let it go...you don't agree with what he does fine...but the BAFOONERY has to stop at some point..yeah I'm voicing my opinion...and it's your right not like it...but it irks me when u can sit there say behind your computer screen or even in a public setting the things your saying..let me ask u this..u only seemed to be concerned with wining district ..lol..but not winning a state championship...cause if that was true you wouldn't be worried about simple things like that...I'm AROUND the program EVERYDAY so I see first hand what gets done..is everything perfect no and nothing will ever be..but as long as u and the other so called supporters of Ozen keep tryna divide and conquer they will never succeed..i have yet to see all the HATERS show their face and when they do come around none of this suff gets said to anyone's face..always hiding and whispering...man up then and say it with ya chest..lol...didnt think so...and I don't want you to take this as a challenge to a duel or something...I talk facts not fiction...ask any kid playing var and they'll u the same thing..Their focus is on a state championship not winning district ...and yes u can do that without winning district..but hey who am I to question tradition right.... [/quote]Now you sound real dumb...I'm not bitter about anything I just know a good coach when I see one and saveat isn't one of em...Everyone on this board knows that I'm a avid supporter of Ozen win or lose but Saveat is not the guy for the job IMO...However when I made the statement about winning district I was using that as a reference to his success at Ozen. Question do you honestly think that if Ozen can't win the weak 20-4A district that they can win state? And this is to soulja I've made any Bouttee/Saveat comparison because their isn't any we all know who was the better coach I'm only speaking on the success of Saveat's coaching career not even a district title in 4 years? SMH [/quote]Would you care to share on Ozen's successful playoff run last year dispute losing to Central there times, Nederland once and failing to capture the district title? [/quote]Anything short of a state title at ozen is unsuccessful but who did ozen play on their road to regionals? Nederland? RIGHTTTTTTTT Ozen is supposed to beat teams like that I'm not impressed by that what happened when they played a solid jones team? They lost [/quote]So if Ozen beats a 28-6 team and their name is Humble or Kimball that is ok, but if they beat a 28-6 team, and it is Nederland then the win does not qualify? ??? Is it bc team's like Ned lack athleticism and speed? Are you saying fundamentals mean nothing? Where's Steve Nash when you need him!

[quote name="Yeoj" post="1348125" timestamp="1354511932"] [quote author=ozensfinest link=topic=106883.msg1348087#msg1348087 date=1354508599] [quote author=BmtTopFlight2017 link=topic=106883.msg1347754#msg1347754 date=1354483606] Noooo what's DUMB is u using winning district titles as a measuring stick for being successful as a coach..now that's hilarious....and on top of that saying he's not on Bouttes level as a head coach....maybe not but who cares...so I guess Coach Saveat is not successful because he hasn't won a district title but he's gone the furthest in the PLAYOFFS out of all the schools...u have a lot to learn my friend..told u I TALK FACTS...NOT FICTION...and u act as If Nederland,Central, which btw are the only schools who could actually compete for a district title are pushovers....hmmm my fellow SETX ppl let is Larry Brown a good coach yes...is Roy Williams a good coach yes...the only difference is their approach to the game...your a supporter of Ozen right sounds to me when they lose your the first to say I told u so...when we head to state don't bother packin your bags we don't want fair weather fans riding on the bus..... [/quote]Ok lets talk fact...the first time Ozen has ever lost to central is when Saveat took over correct? The first time ozen hasn't won the district title since its been open(maybe besides once or twice) was under Savaet correct? We can talk facts all day its proven that the program has gone down since being under savaet thats facts...and I thought thats what coaches were judged by their success [/quote] You do realize Ozen doesn't have a 6'10" NBA player on its team anymore don't you? Ozen has a good team, but they are not overloaded with talent like they use to be in the Boutte era. [/quote]How many titles did Boutte win with Perkins? I know they went to Austin 2 or 3 times in a row, but I can't remember if they won 1 or 2 Titles? In addition to Perkins, at least two other kids went to mid major colleges, so those teams were LOADED to say the least. One of the kids went on to become player of the year in the Mountain West-not to shabby!  ;)

[quote name="GoBigBlue1997" post="1348150" timestamp="1354539596"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=106991.msg1348118#msg1348118 date=1354510953] It's that what happened to your Bulldogs when they lost to this Central team?  Did your Dogs get shafted? [/quote] Well I wasnt going to say anything, but since you bring it up...  yes! The refs were very inconsistent.  Central is a very talented and athletic group and can out jump our guys by a mile, but that doesnt mean it is okay to jump on our backs when we have position for rebounds.  Nederland is going to have a hard time beating Central if we dont have a fair officiating crew. [/quote]I doubt we will have the Beaumont chapter officiate any games this year when we play Central. Both coaches have to agree on which chapter will be used, and I doubt Coach English would agree to the Bmt chapter for district games.

Anyone know the score from the Ozen North Shore game? BD3, where U B?

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1347375" timestamp="1354420708"] [quote author=BIG SHOW link=topic=106991.msg1347323#msg1347323 date=1354416874] Maybe Madison really gave their all to beat Westbrook and ultimately, didn't have much left in The tank vs. Central. I predicted a double digit win, but not a 5 point win. Congrats Madison! [/quote] ::) ::) [/quote] Same silly scenario you posted earlier.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1347359" timestamp="1354419250"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=106990.msg1347201#msg1347201 date=1354409163] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=106990.msg1347020#msg1347020 date=1354399964] Maybe West Brook really gave their all to beat Madison and ultimately, didn't have much left in The tank vs. Nederland getting an extra 2 hours of rest.  I knew it would be a close game, but not have predicted a double digit loss. [/quote] Wrong. WB came out on fire against Ned making their 1st 4 3s. Ned kept pace and led after one 19-18. WB got cold in 2nd as Ned took a 7 pt lead into the half. WB started the 2nd half with a full court press. Ned broke it 3 times straight and scored the first 11 points of 3rd Q including a 17-1 run. Ned was just as tired as WB, so don't give me this WB was tired excuse. Ned simply wanted this 3rd place game more than WB. [/quote]    No.  Wasn't really an excuse.  It's just that I've seen them both play.  Brook more than once.  Brook played a great game against a talented Madison team that I felt would beat all of our area teams.  Nederland lost to West Brook in the Dog Dome and also list to Central (Who might I mention lost to West Brook).  Factor that along with the fact that Nederland's game with Central finished at 11ish and West Brook's game finished at 12:30ish would mean that West Brook was indeed more tired than Nederland. [/quote]Oh! The 'team A' beat B who beat C, so A should also beat C scenario! ::) With that kind of thinking, then this must also be true: Ned beat Silsbee who beat Central, so Ned SHOULD have beat Central this morning, right? But that didn't happen. OR: since HJ beat Ned by 15 and Central beat HJ by 18 or so, Central SHOULD have beaten Ned by 30+! BUT: then HJ beat Kountze who beat Silsbee who beat Central who beat HJ. All teams have good nights and bad ones. Ned played really good today against WB, and WB was off. It wasnt nearly as close as the final score indicated. Ned was up by 23 when English took out all of his starters with over 3min remaining. Did you even watch the game? Also, maybe you should look at the team Ned beat in the 1st round, OP Walker. They won the Cons. Bracket and went 3-1 in the tourney as well. For whatever reason you don't want to give Ned any credit, and it's getting old. I think what we are finding out is that about 7/8 area teams can pretty much beat each other on any given night. There is a lot of talent in the area, and there is not ONE distinct dominant team in SETX this year, yet.

[quote name="BIG SHOW" post="1347323" timestamp="1354416874"] Maybe Madison really gave their all to beat Westbrook and ultimately, didn't have much left in The tank vs. Central. I predicted a double digit win, but not a 5 point win. Congrats Madison! [/quote] ;D ;D  ;D

[quote name="BIG SHOW" post="1347034" timestamp="1354400468"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=106990.msg1347020#msg1347020 date=1354399964] Maybe West Brook really have their all to beat Madison and ultimately, didn't have much left in The tank vs. Nederland getting an extra 2 hours of rest.  I knew it would be a close game, but not have predicted a double digit loss. [/quote] It should of been a double digit loss Tuesday when these 2 teams played. Nederland missed way to many free throws and layups.  It appears Nederland didn't today.  ;D [/quote]Ned did not miss any layups and made about 75% of FTs. Ned was up by as much as 23 before English took out his starters. Congrats to Weisbrod and English being selected to the YMBL All-Tourney team!

[quote name="coachgarrett" post="1347240" timestamp="1354411493"] No...The foul count was 9 HJ, 10 Ozen. [/quote]Oh, ok. Must have been a different game.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1347020" timestamp="1354399964"] Maybe West Brook really gave their all to beat Madison and ultimately, didn't have much left in The tank vs. Nederland getting an extra 2 hours of rest.  I knew it would be a close game, but not have predicted a double digit loss. [/quote] Wrong. WB came out on fire against Ned making their 1st 4 3s. Ned kept pace and led after one 19-18. WB got cold in 2nd as Ned took a 7 pt lead into the half. WB started the 2nd half with a full court press. Ned broke it 3 times straight and scored the first 11 points of 3rd Q including a 17-1 run. Ned was just as tired as WB, so don't give me this WB was tired excuse. Ned simply wanted this 3rd place game more than WB.

WOS 28 Navasota 20

[quote name="TheRef" post="1346761" timestamp="1354383852"] Halftime Ozen 22 Harding Jefferson 12 HJ playing good defense against the #1 4a Panthers [/quote] Is it true about the foul count in this game being 36-8?

[quote name="ThatDude" post="1346589" timestamp="1354378135"] Silsbee would beat both these teams by 20 on a bad night. [/quote]Seriously?? Apparently you haven't seen Madison play.

[quote name="BmtTopFlight2017" post="1346347" timestamp="1354343855"] I'm gonna go a step further...I'm sick and tired of ppl saying fire Coach Saveat...what is he guilty of WINNING....most ppl are worried about district championships..At Ozen they wanna win state..that's goals....idk what u consider building a program but I think hes done just fine..they've lost by one point each of the years that they've been in semis and regionals..and that was with disfunctional teams...but I don't hear the ppl in Nederland say fire Coach English when he loses... Respect the man and what he's done not just for basketball but for what he's trying to do for the kids...but it's impossible every time somebody doesn't like what he does they say fire him...some ppls perception of what basketball is get diluted with wanting to win so dang on bad...u ever think about what he has to deal with on a daily basis with some parents who could care less about their child's education only because they know he can play ball...nah of course not just fire him for wanting what's best for the kids...but what's worse and i hate to make this an issue but if he were white u wouldn't even question him... Start supporting the coaches instead of tryna tear em down..smdh... [/quote]Great Post (again)! It's ONE game in a tourney. No big deal, move on. Ozen will be fine.

Final: WB 55 Ozen 50 WB will play #2 3A Dallas Madison in Semis.

Half: WB 23 Ozen 20

Final: Dallas Madison 61 Houston North Shore 49

Madison holding on to a 3 pt lead with 5:30 remaining in 4th over NS.