Honest Abe

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1249934" timestamp="1345814212"] [quote author=Baller 93 link=topic=100884.msg1249808#msg1249808 date=1345779666] Nederland is gonna have a pretty solid freshman group this year. [/quote]Will any be able to make an "instant impact" for Nederland this year on varsity, thereby challenging the upperclassmen? [/quote] No. They're not ready for Varsity. If Ned was 'rebuilding', then maybe. But we return 9 lettermen, and 4-5 kids who were on JV last year who will also contribute.

[quote name="BEARCAT" post="1252710" timestamp="1346094435"] Thanks. Ozen may be young but with 5 players over 6' 4" they have some height for 20-4a! [/quote] Could be wrong Bearcat, but I think he's jackin' with us. I'm all but certain they do NOT have 5 players over 6'4". If so, I don't believe they will be on the floor playing much. Their guard play and quickness will make them dangerous. Regardless of their lack of Varsity experience, they will have plenty when district play comes around.

[quote name="BEARCAT" post="1252637" timestamp="1346089744"] Sometimes we spend too much time talking about the "next level".  There is something to be said for being a real good high school player and enjoying it while you can.  In fact for those few kids that are good enough to play at next level some find that HS was alot more fun. [/quote] Good call Bearcat. This is a HS basketball forum, and the original poster asked about the best HIGH SCHOOL post players in the area. Colton plays Post for Big Ned unless a taller kid comes along. I have no emotional attachments to Colton, other than he is a good kid who has a tremendous work ethic, and the fact that he plays for the Dawgs. I've watched him play a lot of basketball, and he's only started one year at the Varsity level. MOST kids don't get noticed until after their Junior year, so I think it is VERY premature to say what type of college player he will be. Whoever he signs with will be fortunate to have him.

Baytown Sterling/[b]Baytown Lee[/b] Beaumont Central/[b]Port Arthur Memorial[/b] Beaumont Ozen/[b]Beaumont West Brook[/b] Crosby/[b]Nederland[/b] Little Cypress-Mauriceville/[b]West Orange-Stark[/b] Port Neches-Groves/[b]Silsbee[/b] [b]Vidor[/b]/Santa Fe Fort Bend Elkins/[b]Dayton[/b] Nuevo Leon/[b]Barbers Hill[/b] Livingston/[b]Woodlands College Park[/b] Hardin-Jefferson/[b]Anahuac[/b] Orangefield/[b]East Chambers[/b] Bridge City/[b]Newton[/b] Hamshire-Fannett/[b]Splendora[/b] [b]Jasper[/b]/Liberty Shepherd/[b]Kountze[/b] [b]Hull-Daisetta[/b]/Hardin Warren/[b]Evadale[/b] Sabine Pass/[b]Deweyville[/b] [b]Beaumont Kelly[/b]/West Sabine Burkeville/[b]West Hardin[/b] Buna/[b]Center[/b] New Waverly/[b]Woodville[/b] San Augustine/[b]Tyler Grace[/b]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1252480" timestamp="1346080648"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=102086.msg1252423#msg1252423 date=1346077942] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=102086.msg1252419#msg1252419 date=1346077770] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=102086.msg1252412#msg1252412 date=1346077608] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=102086.msg1252373#msg1252373 date=1346075791] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=102086.msg1252340#msg1252340 date=1346073442] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=102086.msg1252315#msg1252315 date=1346070580] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=102086.msg1252293#msg1252293 date=1346065337] It appears that Wiesbrod is about 6'4" and he's very strong and crafty to get the ball in the hoop.  IMO, he will need to work on the outside game to be ready on the next level.  I've seen him push the rock on a fast break, so I would say that his ball handling skills are ok.  You Mention kids playing post now and they won't be playing it in college?  I think it's about what helps the team.  If you are the tallest players on your team, you should be in the paint banging...  Unless you are a freak of nature or you're able to play the guard positions better than those little 5'6" players.  Then, by all means, do what you do. [/quote]Good points! Here is what I see often. A young kid grows fast and its just natural to want to put him on the block. And usually , he never works on improving his game (on their own time) to get better. So he graduates from high school with no "point forward" or guard skills because now, he's [color=red]ONLY[/color] 6'5" or shorter. I see too many kids playing in the moment and not preparing for the future. Hmmmm? [/quote] I understand what you are saying. Not sure the last time you saw him play, but he is NOT simply a block player. Not gonna give you too much info or you might figure out how to stop him.  ::) BD3-I would pay good money to see you try to 'stop him'. Maybe Nash can get a charity event together, an the highlight will be BD3 attempting to stop all the post players from the area!  ;D You game BD3?  8) [/quote] Two words! Brandon Green. Wish he had stayed  at Ozen. [/quote]Ohh wow!  Where did he go?  He was a good looking sophmore from last year that was comming into  his own! [/quote]North Shore High. [/quote]Ohh.  I see.  Playing his last 2 years with Dad.  I thought that's what Trey Green was going to do last year.  I wish him luck.  Ozen will be losing a lot from this kid. [/quote]Yep, the one player in the district who could contain Nederland's post to 4 points, 2 rebounds, & 0 assists  ;D [/quote] ::) ::)

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1252423" timestamp="1346077942"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=102086.msg1252419#msg1252419 date=1346077770] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=102086.msg1252412#msg1252412 date=1346077608] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=102086.msg1252373#msg1252373 date=1346075791] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=102086.msg1252340#msg1252340 date=1346073442] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=102086.msg1252315#msg1252315 date=1346070580] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=102086.msg1252293#msg1252293 date=1346065337] It appears that Wiesbrod is about 6'4" and he's very strong and crafty to get the ball in the hoop.  IMO, he will need to work on the outside game to be ready on the next level.  I've seen him push the rock on a fast break, so I would say that his ball handling skills are ok.  You Mention kids playing post now and they won't be playing it in college?  I think it's about what helps the team.  If you are the tallest players on your team, you should be in the paint banging...  Unless you are a freak of nature or you're able to play the guard positions better than those little 5'6" players.  Then, by all means, do what you do. [/quote]Good points! Here is what I see often. A young kid grows fast and its just natural to want to put him on the block. And usually , he never works on improving his game (on their own time) to get better. So he graduates from high school with no "point forward" or guard skills because now, he's [color=red]ONLY[/color] 6'5" or shorter. I see too many kids playing in the moment and not preparing for the future. Hmmmm? [/quote] I understand what you are saying. Not sure the last time you saw him play, but he is NOT simply a block player. Not gonna give you too much info or you might figure out how to stop him.  ::) BD3-I would pay good money to see you try to 'stop him'. Maybe Nash can get a charity event together, an the highlight will be BD3 attempting to stop all the post players from the area!  ;D You game BD3?  8) [/quote] Two words! Brandon Green. Wish he had stayed  at Ozen. [/quote]Ohh wow!  Where did he go?  He was a good looking sophmore from last year that was comming into  his own! [/quote]North Shore High. [/quote]Ohh.  I see.  Playing his last 2 years with Dad.  I thought that's what Trey Green was going to do last year.  I wish him luck.  Ozen will be losing a lot from this kid. [/quote] Isn't North Shore one of Catman's teams?

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1252373" timestamp="1346075791"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=102086.msg1252340#msg1252340 date=1346073442] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=102086.msg1252315#msg1252315 date=1346070580] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=102086.msg1252293#msg1252293 date=1346065337] It appears that Wiesbrod is about 6'4" and he's very strong and crafty to get the ball in the hoop.  IMO, he will need to work on the outside game to be ready on the next level.  I've seen him push the rock on a fast break, so I would say that his ball handling skills are ok.  You Mention kids playing post now and they won't be playing it in college?  I think it's about what helps the team.  If you are the tallest players on your team, you should be in the paint banging...  Unless you are a freak of nature or you're able to play the guard positions better than those little 5'6" players.  Then, by all means, do what you do. [/quote]Good points! Here is what I see often. A young kid grows fast and its just natural to want to put him on the block. And usually , he never works on improving his game (on their own time) to get better. So he graduates from high school with no "point forward" or guard skills because now, he's [color=red]ONLY[/color] 6'5" or shorter. I see too many kids playing in the moment and not preparing for the future. Hmmmm? [/quote] I understand what you are saying. Not sure the last time you saw him play, but he is NOT simply a block player. Not gonna give you too much info or you might figure out how to stop him.  ::) BD3-I would pay good money to see you try to 'stop him'. Maybe Nash can get a charity event together, an the highlight will be BD3 attempting to stop all the post players from the area!  ;D You game BD3?  8) [/quote]I'll put Brandon Green on him...enough said ;) [/quote] That's only one player. Gonna need at least 2, just ask the Houston/LA kids. More specifically the 6'7" twins from the Dream Team.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1252293" timestamp="1346065337"] It appears that Wiesbrod is about 6'4" and he's very strong and crafty to get the ball in the hoop.  IMO, he will need to work on the outside game to be ready on the next level.  I've seen him push the rock on a fast break, so I would say that his ball handling skills are ok.  You Mention kids playing post now and they won't be playing it in college?  I think it's about what helps the team.  If you are the tallest players on your team, you should be in the paint banging...  Unless you are a freak of nature or you're able to play the guard positions better than those little 5'6" players.  Then, by all means, do what you do. [/quote] Good post Soulja. He will play the position necessary to help his team be successful. Remember, he will be a junior this year. His game will change and improve a lot over this season and next. As of now, he handles the ball as good any of our guards do! His worth ethic is impeccable, and he will be ready for college ball at whatever position is asked of him.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1252315" timestamp="1346070580"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=102086.msg1252293#msg1252293 date=1346065337] It appears that Wiesbrod is about 6'4" and he's very strong and crafty to get the ball in the hoop.  IMO, he will need to work on the outside game to be ready on the next level.  I've seen him push the rock on a fast break, so I would say that his ball handling skills are ok.  You Mention kids playing post now and they won't be playing it in college?  I think it's about what helps the team.  If you are the tallest players on your team, you should be in the paint banging...  Unless you are a freak of nature or you're able to play the guard positions better than those little 5'6" players.  Then, by all means, do what you do. [/quote]Good points! Here is what I see often. A young kid grows fast and its just natural to want to put him on the block. And usually , he never works on improving his game (on their own time) to get better. So he graduates from high school with no "point forward" or guard skills because now, he's [color=red]ONLY[/color] 6'5" or shorter. I see too many kids playing in the moment and not preparing for the future. Hmmmm? [/quote] I understand what you are saying. Not sure the last time you saw him play, but he is NOT simply a block player. Not gonna give you too much info or you might figure out how to stop him.  ::) BD3-I would pay good money to see you try to 'stop him'. Maybe Nash can get a charity event together, an the highlight will be BD3 attempting to stop all the post players from the area!  ;D You game BD3?  8)

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1252181" timestamp="1346035096"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=102086.msg1251932#msg1251932 date=1346018252] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=102086.msg1251767#msg1251767 date=1346004640] POWER FORWARD? Basketball is changing. You have point forwards who are 6'8" now. They create and shoot off the dribble now. Which is why the kid Zeno is trying to come into his own as a guard.. He knows he wont be a post in the future. So, I guess we are still on topic since you brought me back there. [/quote] Excuse my ignorance, but what is a Point Forward? As far as Weisbrod, I don't see him as a 2 guard or 'wing man' in college. I used the term power forward, bc he is strong and physical. Was Charles Barkley not a power forward for 20 years at 6'4"? If you want to call him a 'point forward', fine. He is a skilled kid, and he will only be a Junior this year. Who knows what he will be in 2 years. [/quote] A power forward who can run a fast break or break down a player from the wing..LeBron would be a good example [/quote]Gotcha. Thanks for the education.  ;)

[quote name="IhoopAllDay" post="1252134" timestamp="1346033239"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=102086.msg1251976#msg1251976 date=1346022433] [quote author=Pumper link=topic=102086.msg1251972#msg1251972 date=1346021138] Weisbrod is one of the better players in the area, but I'm not sold on him having much of a college future.  He may be a classic tweener.  Very good HS player, but where to you play him in college? [/quote] Good question. At 6'5" he won't play post, and he may be too small to play forward, but that depends on where he goes. He has above average ball handling skills and a decent outside shot. He COULD develop into a '3' possibly? I don't know. I'm not going to pretend like I know what it takes to play college basketball!  ;D [/quote]Colton's not 6'5 [/quote]I don't know his exact height, but I know the kid can play. His role at Nederland is to play post, and he will do whatever is needed to help Big Ned win. As I mentioned, he can handle the ball well, and he can create from a guard position or post. The kid knows how to finish in whichever role he needs to. Maybe he won't be a power forward in college, but he will do well at the '3' position. Either way, his future looks bright.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1252176" timestamp="1346034832"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=102086.msg1251895#msg1251895 date=1346013722] [quote author=85' HUSKER link=topic=102086.msg1251887#msg1251887 date=1346013104] Abe, you seem to be in the know when it comes to Ned BB. When the team has all their players, who will the starting 5 be in your opinion? Thanks [/quote] Starting 4 from last year: English Weisbrod Lormier Rogers The 5th starter will probably be Kirby Hanley, but may be a bigger player of we are playing a 'big' team. [/quote]Abe, I saw Rogers in the mall this week (working). I told him Nederland would not win district. He said 'yes sir!" [/quote]He's a good kid who is very respectful. He's not a kid who goes  around talkin' noise. He leaves that up to 5-on-5 and me!  ;D

[quote name="Pumper" post="1251972" timestamp="1346021138"] Weisbrod is one of the better players in the area, but I'm not sold on him having much of a college future.  He may be a classic tweener.  Very good HS player, but where to you play him in college? [/quote] Good question. At 6'5" he won't play post, and he may be too small to play forward, but that depends on where he goes. He has above average ball handling skills and a decent outside shot. He COULD develop into a '3' possibly? I don't know. I'm not going to pretend like I know what it takes to play college basketball!  ;D

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1251767" timestamp="1346004640"] POWER FORWARD? Basketball is changing. You have point forwards who are 6'8" now. They create and shoot off the dribble now. Which is why the kid Zeno is trying to come into his own as a guard.. He knows he wont be a post in the future. So, I guess we are still on topic since you brought me back there. [/quote] Excuse my ignorance, but what is a Point Forward? As far as Weisbrod, I don't see him as a 2 guard or 'wing man' in college. I used the term power forward, bc he is strong and physical. Was Charles Barkley not a power forward for 20 years at 6'4"? If you want to call him a 'point forward', fine. He is a skilled kid, and he will only be a Junior this year. Who knows what he will be in 2 years.

Our other bigs play football (Kouron and Washington), so we won't have them until after the YMBL, probably. There should be a bigger rotation of players this year, bc we are much deeper.

[quote name="85' HUSKER" post="1251887" timestamp="1346013104"] Abe, you seem to be in the know when it comes to Ned BB. When the team has all their players, who will the starting 5 be in your opinion? Thanks [/quote] Starting 4 from last year: English Weisbrod Lormier Rogers The 5th starter will probably be Kirby Hanley, but may be a bigger player of we are playing a 'big' team.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1251767" timestamp="1346004640"] POWER FORWARD? Basketball is changing. You have point forwards who are 6'8" now. They create and shoot off the dribble now. Which is why the kid Zeno is trying to come into his own as a guard.. He knows he wont be a post in the future. [b]So, I guess we are still on topic since you brought me back there.[/b] [/quote] Lol!  ;D

Anyone know the all time series history between these two teams?

[quote name="IhoopAllDay" post="1251723" timestamp="1346000715"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=102086.msg1251599#msg1251599 date=1345988873] Weisbrod, Chapman, and Edwards play the post position for their respective teams. But I have never seen Zeno play the post any time that I have watched West Brook play. He is always on the wing or up top of the circle. Now, in order to help the team out and help West Brook be successful, Zeno should be on the low block more. Other local good post players: Smith of PNG Carr of Legacy Page of WO-S Dobbins of Silsbee Reed of Silsbee Wildridge of Central Livingston post player (sorry, don't have his name) [/quote] Colton didn't really play in the post for us this summer and that's why I didn't list him. Because he to me is probably the best player around here. Also when you listed page from West Orange I'm assuming you meant Laqarious? He is not a post. [/quote] Undersatnd, but that's what he plays at Nederland. He didn't play post for MC Flight either bc there was a 6'8" kid from Katy playing post. He will play post until he goes to the next level where he will play more of a power forward.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1251571" timestamp="1345983760"] I look at some things differently and not so much from a present point of view. All the guys you mentioned  WILL NOT be post players after high school. So, now its a question of conflict between doing whats best for your team and/or doing whats best "for me" if I want to play at the next level? So to keep within the subject content, who are the best post players in this area now and what can they do to prepare for the future in basketball as a non-post player? [/quote] But that's not the topic BD3. I doubt if ANY local kids will play post at the next level. So, back on topic  ::) who else you got who is not on this list?

Colton Weisbrod from Nederland and Dorian Chapman from PAM. Weisbrod is an undersized post at 6'5", but makes it up with his physicality and aggressive play. He can score at will. Chapman is more of a traditional post player who is long. He's a great shot blocker, and his length is a nightmare for smaller teams.

One thing for sure, it is NOT easy to win in the Lion's Den. Ozen was defeated by 9 last year, but easily beat them in Beaumont. Excluding last year, Nederland has fought tooth and nail to leave Livingston with a 'W'. I remember 2011 when the Dawgs went undefeated in district, their toughest game was AT Livingston. We only won by 1 or 2, then beat them at home by 15+. Same happened in 2009 & 2010. With that said, I think it gives them the slight advantage at the 4th spot. But I agree Bearcat, the final spot is wide open.

What happens when Silsbee wins a few playoff FB games? Will they have enough to suit up a varsity basketball squad?

Ned and PNG dropped from 5A to 4A in the Spring of 1988. The change went into effect the following Fall season of 1988. That was the year Big Ned returned to the playoffs since the mid 1960s. PNG went the following year. PNG moved back up to 5A for two seasons. I believe it was the 94 & 95 seasons? Then back down to 4A where they have remained.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1247346" timestamp="1345398128"] And Nederland would still have bragging rights finishing 4th, because of the watered down playoff system. 8) [/quote] ??? ??? 5-10 years ago, we would have been happy finishing 4th, but expectations have clearly changed a bit. Finishing 4th this year would be a huge disappointment for the Dawgs (and it ain't gonna happen)!  8)