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The HISD website lists 39 High Schools in the District in which a student can choose to attend.
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Ozen vs Nederland playoff game
Honest Abe replied to stevenash's topic in SETXsports Archived Threads
[quote name="ABSENT!" post="1186848" timestamp="1330371885"] I think Ozen is on a roll, beat Ned by 11 at the end of the season. But they can be Dr. Jeckle and Mr Hyde!!! Ozen by 10! [/quote] U are right on the Jeckyl and Hyde comparison, but the same can be said for Nederland and Central too. Hard to know who Ozen is when they lose to Livingston by 17, then 3 days later beat Ned by 11. Ned won AT Livingston by 16 or so, one week prior to Ozen losing AT Livingston. -
Ozen vs Nederland playoff game
Honest Abe replied to stevenash's topic in SETXsports Archived Threads
[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1186829" timestamp="1330370344"] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=96704.msg1186823#msg1186823 date=1330370202] no, you also implied that Nederland fans were either ignorant or just plain stupid for wondering why they weren't favorites. [/quote] Did I say it? or did you make the assumption as to what I was thinking? There is a BIG difference there... [/quote] He DID say implied. ;) -
[quote name="stevenash" post="1186644" timestamp="1330356411"] Call it a miniature farm system if you like. The fact is that in a place like HJ, there is a relatively small population from which to draw potential players and it is one way to get kids interested in the game. Please don't be foolish enough to try to say/infer that the HJ/Silsbee/HF/Orangefield coach has an advantage on a Yates coach when it comes to selecting potential playing personnel. [/quote] To add to that thought,any small town kids play multiple sports. I would guess that MOST Yates Bball players don't play FB or baseball. In addition, only 3-4 kids from each grade sticks to Bball after participating in LD. Youth baseball teams (everywhere) have existed for decades, which holds the same concept.
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Beaumont Central vs. Kingwood Park
Honest Abe replied to stevenash's topic in SETXsports Archived Threads
[quote name="ABSENT!" post="1186622" timestamp="1330355569"] I am a Jag fan, and I know this, there is NO 20-4A team that will beat nor compete with Yates. I am so glad that Ned is having a LTrain (football) type run in district over the last two years, but Ned don't get too caught up in it, because we have all had fall to earth experiences (Central & Ozen Included). I do agrre with Dickie, that district Champs only matter in District, who won 24-4A last year? Exactly! It is relevant for local talk, but as far as State wide is concerned it is pretty much nothing. In contrast, I think us as fans must fully enjoy every accomplishment no matter how small. So congrats to 20-4A for having the opportunity to put at least one team in the regional tournament... maybe TWO!!!!! Go Jags! [/quote] Good post! That is exactly what this site is about, local programs and their successes (however large or small they may be). -
[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1186598" timestamp="1330354452"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96657.msg1186595#msg1186595 date=1330354180] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96657.msg1186591#msg1186591 date=1330353877] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96657.msg1186553#msg1186553 date=1330350873] [quote author=ST413 link=topic=96657.msg1186501#msg1186501 date=1330321431] Now with saying that, I can see where Wise's involvement in AAU could lead speculation that he has a way of recruiting through said involvement. But maybe it just gives these kids and their parents a chance to see him in action and therefore decide to transfer to Yates. [/quote] Bingo! We have a winner! Exactly what BD3 said a few months ago. Not sure where he has gone lately, but he brought this up about another coach. Don't remember who it was, but basically saying that by exposing kids to AAU ball, one recruits others to that program, whether intentionally are not. [/quote] EVERY coach can coach AAU...Its used to be against the rules, but that has changed...Its not illegal..I don't like it either, but, thats just the way it is...Its not recruiting, however. [/quote] I agree that it's not a traditional way of recruiting, but do you not see how it could be a dress rehearsal for other kids to see? It may not be directly recruiting, but it is a non-traditional form of recruiting, no? When one sees Duke (not comparing anyone ::) ) on TV, do you think a HS kid might be more influenced to pick that school over another (NC State) who is not on TV as much? [/quote] Yes I can agree with that...But, do you realize how many kids are LOST by attending the "suburban" schools? I think it balances out, really...But to say that Coach Wise is recruiting is just wrong...He has made his program attractive by winning, and thats ok...and legal..kinda like being involved in little dribblers...right? ;) [/quote] By winning and getting city-wide (heck National) attention, the Yates program indirectly recruits kids to attend their school, just like my example regarding Duke and NC State. Can a Little Dribbler's program indirectly recruit a kid to attend a different school, yes but on a much smaller scale. Little Dribbler's is not getting National coverage anywhere, right? That's what Wise is doing as well. By coaching an AAU team (I know the rules, not his own players), others can see what he's doing and say, "I want to play for Yates". He IS doing that, and it's an indirect method of recruiting, IMO.
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[quote name="stevenash" post="1186588" timestamp="1330353778"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96634.msg1186587#msg1186587 date=1330353698] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=96634.msg1186581#msg1186581 date=1330353104] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96634.msg1186580#msg1186580 date=1330353039] [quote author=DOGS1988 link=topic=96634.msg1186575#msg1186575 date=1330352737] I am curious.....what size fanbase does Yates have in attendance at their games? [/quote] Around 5,000 per game if they can get in the venue...Of course in Houston, the fan base is cyclical...They will follow the best team year in and year out, but Yates has a pretty good following anyway...It used to be Willowridge like that in their day, but it has clearly shifted. [/quote] Why has Willowridge been unable to maintain their dominance like Yates has? [/quote] Because of TWO reasons...Ronnie Courtney (now the head coach at FB Bush) took the Texas Southern job, and they built Marshall, which greatly pulled from Willowridge's feeder pattern initially...They used to be the LARGEST school in Ft. Bend, attendance wise, now they are the smallest...Side Note: Ronnie Courtney won ANOTHER state title at FB Bush in 2010....ANOTHER coincidence, huh? 8) [/quote] How did Mr. Courtney do at Texas Southern? [/quote] Aha! On an 'even playing field'! ;) Also, you're not suggesting any recruiting possibilities, right (whether directly or indirectly)?? :P
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[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1186591" timestamp="1330353877"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96657.msg1186553#msg1186553 date=1330350873] [quote author=ST413 link=topic=96657.msg1186501#msg1186501 date=1330321431] Now with saying that, I can see where Wise's involvement in AAU could lead speculation that he has a way of recruiting through said involvement. But maybe it just gives these kids and their parents a chance to see him in action and therefore decide to transfer to Yates. [/quote] Bingo! We have a winner! Exactly what BD3 said a few months ago. Not sure where he has gone lately, but he brought this up about another coach. Don't remember who it was, but basically saying that by exposing kids to AAU ball, one recruits others to that program, whether intentionally are not. [/quote] EVERY coach can coach AAU...Its used to be against the rules, but that has changed...Its not illegal..I don't like it either, but, thats just the way it is...Its not recruiting, however. [/quote] I agree that it's not a traditional way of recruiting, but do you not see how it could be a dress rehearsal for other kids to see? It may not be directly recruiting, but it is a non-traditional form of recruiting, no? When one sees Duke (not comparing anyone ::) ) on TV, do you think a HS kid might be more influenced to pick that school over another (NC State) who is not on TV as much?
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Ozen vs Nederland playoff game
Honest Abe replied to stevenash's topic in SETXsports Archived Threads
[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1186561" timestamp="1330351398"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96704.msg1186471#msg1186471 date=1330315406] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=96704.msg1186470#msg1186470 date=1330315279] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96704.msg1186468#msg1186468 date=1330315176] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=96704.msg1186466#msg1186466 date=1330314967] So just what is wrong with Ozen being the favorite in this game? [/quote] Seriously? [/quote] Yes, seriously. [/quote] If Iowa State or Baylor meet Kansas in the NCAA tournament, who is the favorite? Or if Florida State plays North Carolina or Duke in the tourney, who's the favorite? [/quote]Someone ain't recovered from Bourbon Street [/quote] Bourbon Street?? Oh, bc of all the celebration that I DIDN't do this weekend after beating another co-district champs from another district! ::) Good one BD3! ;) -
Ozen vs Nederland playoff game
Honest Abe replied to stevenash's topic in SETXsports Archived Threads
I understand and accept that AAW has Ozen picked as a favorite Tuesday night. He explained it to me, and I understand it's his opinion. Doesn't mean I agree with it, but I understand his thinking since he didn't see either of Nederland's playoff games and I did. However, I'm like Soulja and uandme (cool name BTW) in this situation, bc I like when 'my team' is the underdawg. Remember, a big reason we have this board is to debate. Some feel their opinion holds more water than the next guy (not referring to you AAW-I think u know who though ;D ). Just bc one disagrees with another does not mean one is whining about his/her team. Heck, Nederland was the underdawg against Humble last year in the Reg Qs and against Magnolia last week, but still won. Did anyone from Ned say anything about being the 'Dawg' against them?? No. Coach English went to Humble's 1st playoff game against Stratford, so he is not surprised at all that Ozen beat them. Actually, he told Coach Sevant (sp?) from Ozen that they will beat them (as coach Sevant was there too). Now, here are some facts from the season, and a hypothetical at the end: KW Park won the 1st meeting in district and lost the 2nd game. KW Park beat a #1 seed on Friday (as did Ozen). Humble played who was lined up in front of them. Had they beat a 3rd seed Ozen team, would that make their playoff wins less impressive? Probably so. However, they would still be favored in the next game against KW Park (if they had met this round). Well, considering that Humble swept Summer Creek in district by the scores of 62-52 and then 75-47, I would make Humble the favorite. [/quote] Ok, fair. Who would have been the favorite between Humble and KW Park (had they met again in the playoffs)? They split their head to heads in district play, yet Humble finished #1 and KW Park #2. [b]I know for a fact [/b]that Humble would have been the favorite. [/quote] I would not know for a fact. I would have to look at how the two finished the season and how they performed in the playoffs up to that point. [/quote] -
Ozen vs Nederland playoff game
Honest Abe replied to stevenash's topic in SETXsports Archived Threads
I believe a HJ guy started this thread, no? ??? -
[quote name="ST413" post="1186501" timestamp="1330321431"] Now with saying that, I can see where Wise's involvement in AAU could lead speculation that he has a way of recruiting through said involvement. But maybe it just gives these kids and their parents a chance to see him in action and therefore decide to transfer to Yates. [/quote] Bingo! We have a winner! Exactly what BD3 said a few months ago. Not sure where he has gone lately, but he brought this up about another coach. Don't remember who it was, but basically saying that by exposing kids to AAU ball, one recruits others to that program, whether intentionally are not.
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Ozen vs Nederland playoff game
Honest Abe replied to stevenash's topic in SETXsports Archived Threads
[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1186484" timestamp="1330317155"] I put Ozen the favorite based on the fact that the last time these two played, Ozen won by double digits. Also, IMO, I believe Ozen is playing the better basketball of late based on their two playoff victories over what I consider better opponents than what Nederland faced. I believe that Humble and North Forest are better teams than Dayton and Magnolia. Humble was district champion and state ranked and North Forest was runner up in their district, sweeping Dayton in district, a team that Nederland struggled with in the first round. I admit that I was wrong with making Magnolia a favorite over Nederland but I see nothing wrong with making Ozen a favorite over Nederland based on what I just stated. IMO, Ozen is playing a little better basketball of late than Nederland therefore why I have them as 4 point favorites. I do not see where that is so hard to understand. [/quote] How was i suppose to know what you were thinking? Now that u have explained it, I understand, thanks! ;) -
Ozen vs Nederland playoff game
Honest Abe replied to stevenash's topic in SETXsports Archived Threads
Did you simply ignore the fact that Ozen lost to Livingston in the 12th game in district by 17 points?! -
Ozen vs Nederland playoff game
Honest Abe replied to stevenash's topic in SETXsports Archived Threads
[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1186477" timestamp="1330316267"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96704.msg1186473#msg1186473 date=1330315728] Here is another: If Humble were playing Summer Creek this Tuesday, who would have been the favorite? [/quote] Well, considering that Humble swept Summer Creek in district by the scores of 62-52 and then 75-47, I would make Humble the favorite. [/quote] Ok, fair. Who would have been the favorite between Humble and KW Park (had they met again in the playoffs)? They split their head to heads in district play, yet Humble finished #1 and KW Park #2. I know for a fact that Humble would have been the favorite. -
Ozen vs Nederland playoff game
Honest Abe replied to stevenash's topic in SETXsports Archived Threads
[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1186475" timestamp="1330315911"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96704.msg1186471#msg1186471 date=1330315406] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=96704.msg1186470#msg1186470 date=1330315279] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96704.msg1186468#msg1186468 date=1330315176] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=96704.msg1186466#msg1186466 date=1330314967] So just what is wrong with Ozen being the favorite in this game? [/quote] Seriously? [/quote] Yes, seriously. [/quote] If Iowa State or Baylor meet Kansas in the NCAA tournament, who is the favorite? Or if Florida State plays North Carolina or Duke in the tourney, who's the favorite? [/quote] I would personally make Kansas, NC and Duke the favorites. But, I don't consider those to be the same as this game with Nederland and Ozen. Instead of posing questions to me, tell me why you do not agree with Ozen being the favorite and why Nederland should be the favorite. [/quote] Here is what they all have in common. Baylor, ISU, and FL State are 3rd place teams (as was Summer Creek). Kansas and Humble finished 1st in their standings, and NC and Duke are CO, yes CO-Champs of the ACC. Duke and FL State split their season meetings, just like Nederland and Ozen. Somehow you have the 3rd seed team as a favorite against the 1st seed team in the SAME district! Just doesn't seem logical. -
Ozen vs Nederland playoff game
Honest Abe replied to stevenash's topic in SETXsports Archived Threads
Here is another: If Humble were playing Summer Creek this Tuesday, who would have been the favorite? -
Ozen vs Nederland playoff game
Honest Abe replied to stevenash's topic in SETXsports Archived Threads
[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1186470" timestamp="1330315279"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96704.msg1186468#msg1186468 date=1330315176] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=96704.msg1186466#msg1186466 date=1330314967] So just what is wrong with Ozen being the favorite in this game? [/quote] Seriously? [/quote] Yes, seriously. [/quote] If Iowa State or Baylor meet Kansas in the NCAA tournament, who is the favorite? Or if Florida State plays North Carolina or Duke in the tourney, who's the favorite? -
Ozen vs Nederland playoff game
Honest Abe replied to stevenash's topic in SETXsports Archived Threads
[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1186466" timestamp="1330314967"] So just what is wrong with Ozen being the favorite in this game? [/quote] Seriously? -
Ozen vs Nederland playoff game
Honest Abe replied to stevenash's topic in SETXsports Archived Threads
I wonder if HF had beaten Navasota Friday night if they would be the favorite against HJ this Tuesday?? ??? -
[quote name="Silsbeealum14" post="1185789" timestamp="1330203477"] 1-13 behind the 3, Wow Ozen just looked like they wasn't into it from the Tip..... Great season Ozen, Good luck BH [/quote] Kinda like Brookshire Royal shooting 0-15 Friday night in the Boys game against your Silsbee Tigers. Not going to win many playoff games shooting like that. Great season Ozen girls. Good look at State Barber's Hill!! Bring home the hardware!
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Beaumont Central vs. Kingwood Park
Honest Abe replied to stevenash's topic in SETXsports Archived Threads
[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1186289" timestamp="1330297917"] [quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=96684.msg1186284#msg1186284 date=1330297426] By the way DV, why are you not asking Central...and Ozen...the question you keep asking Nederland....Can you (Central or Ozen) switch brackets with Yates and survive? That seems to be a very important question to you, so the answer is.....WHO CARES (other than you)? [/quote] Because Central and Ozen have both at least regional championship trophies in the old case... ::)....PLUS many district OUTRIGHT titles...no sharing....that's why... 8)....dead issue guys....next topic please. [/quote] U want to move on to the next topic as long as u get in the last word, amazing! ::) -
Beaumont Central vs. Kingwood Park
Honest Abe replied to stevenash's topic in SETXsports Archived Threads
[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1186277" timestamp="1330296623"] To have the gall to say that "champions live in Nederland" speaks volumes to that fact.... ::) ::)...NO Title Town.... ;) [/quote] There ya go again hijacking threads. Changing the subject, taking cheap shots like always, bc you have no substance to contribute to the topic. ::) This thread is about the KW Park/Bmt Central game. -
Beaumont Central vs. Kingwood Park
Honest Abe replied to stevenash's topic in SETXsports Archived Threads
[quote name="stevenash" post="1186264" timestamp="1330293625"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96684.msg1186258#msg1186258 date=1330292779] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=96684.msg1186241#msg1186241 date=1330288317] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96684.msg1186233#msg date=1330286781] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=96684.msg1186215#msg date=1330285030] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=96684.msg1186140#msg date=1330274441] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=96684.msg1186136#msg date=1330274026] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=96684.msg1186129#msg date=1330273375] According to some, the fact that HJ beat them means you dont need any info because Hj "didn't play anybody". From my perspective, they will be an interesting foe for you because I view them as equally athletic as the Jags. [/quote]Equally athletic? Interesting. What about their size? King and Brenham were just as athletic as us as well, but we had the size and length advantage. [/quote] If my memory is correct, Central should be a little larger overall than KP. [/quote]Ok. Thanks for the info. [/quote] KW Park plays like Nederland. Very similar personnel as well. Central is longer and more athletic, IMO. KW Park is 'smart' and relies on fundamental basketball. If they get hot from outside, watch out. [/quote]So, are thet consistent from the outside or are they streaky? Do they shoot 3's in volume or shoot less with a hig percentage? [/quote] Kinda like Nederland. If they are hot, they are hard to beat (unless we r playing Yates ::) ). If not, then they struggle to win. Have only seen them twice, but that's I gathered and I confirmed that with a couple of others who scouted them. [/quote] Come on, Dog. You don't know anything!!!! [/quote] True. ;) -
Beaumont Central vs. Kingwood Park
Honest Abe replied to stevenash's topic in SETXsports Archived Threads
[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1186241" timestamp="1330288317"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96684.msg1186233#msg date=1330286781] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=96684.msg1186215#msg date=1330285030] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=96684.msg1186140#msg date=1330274441] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=96684.msg1186136#msg date=1330274026] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=96684.msg1186129#msg date=1330273375] According to some, the fact that HJ beat them means you dont need any info because Hj "didn't play anybody". From my perspective, they will be an interesting foe for you because I view them as equally athletic as the Jags. [/quote]Equally athletic? Interesting. What about their size? King and Brenham were just as athletic as us as well, but we had the size and length advantage. [/quote] If my memory is correct, Central should be a little larger overall than KP. [/quote]Ok. Thanks for the info. [/quote] KW Park plays like Nederland. Very similar personnel as well. Central is longer and more athletic, IMO. KW Park is 'smart' and relies on fundamental basketball. If they get hot from outside, watch out. [/quote]So, are thet consistent from the outside or are they streaky? Do they shoot 3's in volume or shoot less with a hig percentage? [/quote] Kinda like Nederland. If they are hot, they are hard to beat (unless we r playing Yates ::) ). If not, then they struggle to win. Have only seen them twice, but that's I gathered and I confirmed that with a couple of others who scouted them.