Honest Abe

Lazeek is in da house settin' up!

[b](-12) PAM[/b] vs. South Houston La Porte vs. [b]Pasadena Dobie (-15)[/b] (-7) Central vs. [b]CE King[/b] (Central wins) (-11) Crosby vs. [b]LCM[/b] North Forest vs. [b]Ozen (-3)[/b] [b](-16) Nederland[/b] vs. Dayton [b](-15) Athens[/b] vs. Huntington [b]Hamshire-Fannett[/b] vs. Cleveland (-3) [b](-21) Silsbee[/b] vs. Splendora Hardin vs. [b]Crockett (-29)[/b] New Waverly vs. [b]East Chambers (-4)[/b] [b](-5) Newton[/b] vs. Sabine [b](-4) Evadale[/b] vs. Normangee West Hardin vs. [b]Burton (-13[/b]) Spurger vs. [b]Wells (-27)[/b] (-9) Goodrich vs. [b]Kennard[/b] [b](-21) North Shore[/b] vs. Deer Park (-10) Brenham vs. [b]Huntsville[/b] [b](-7) Lufkin Hudson[/b] vs. Tyler Chapel Hill [b](-4) Woden[/b] vs. Frankston

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1181766" timestamp="1329834380"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96239.msg1181762#msg1181762 date=1329834009] [quote author=vp32 link=topic=96239.msg1181758#msg1181758 date=1329833717] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96239.msg1181756#msg1181756 date=1329833547] [quote author=bronco pride link=topic=96239.msg1181464#msg1181464 date=1329778643] When was he hurt they lost games pretty much all year and made the playoffs by default. So whats your point. You think ozen was better than ned png and vidor. [/quote] He was injured in the middle of the season during the 1st couple of district games. They played Ned to the final seconds and lost 44-41 or something like that. They were the best 4th place HS football team I have ever seen. [/quote] He wasn't injured for the Vidor game and we played down to the very last wire. [/quote] I know that he tore his ACL in his Jr year (in FB). He had surgery in the offseason, so maybe he misses the first few games of the season?? Maybe Soulja can verify? He's more of a FB guy than me. [/quote]Are y'all in reference to Ozen's Trey Green? [/quote] Yep.

[quote name="vp32" post="1181758" timestamp="1329833717"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96239.msg1181756#msg1181756 date=1329833547] [quote author=bronco pride link=topic=96239.msg1181464#msg1181464 date=1329778643] When was he hurt they lost games pretty much all year and made the playoffs by default. So whats your point. You think ozen was better than ned png and vidor. [/quote] He was injured in the middle of the season during the 1st couple of district games. They played Ned to the final seconds and lost 44-41 or something like that. They were the best 4th place HS football team I have ever seen. [/quote] He wasn't injured for the Vidor game and we played down to the very last wire. [/quote] I know that he tore his ACL in his Jr year (in FB). He had surgery in the offseason, so maybe he misses the first few games of the season?? Maybe Soulja can verify? He's more of a FB guy than me.

[quote name="bronco pride" post="1181464" timestamp="1329778643"] When was he hurt they lost games pretty much all year and made the playoffs by default. So whats your point. You think ozen was better than ned png and vidor. [/quote] He was injured in the middle of the season during the 1st couple of district games. They played Ned to the final seconds and lost 44-41 or something like that. They were the best 4th place HS football team I have ever seen.

[quote name="ForeverADog" post="1181404" timestamp="1329767682"] Dayton has to be one of the most improved teams in the area this year. We can't overlook them. [/quote] They sound a lot like LCM with two big men, similar records, and a 4th place finish in district.

[quote name="5 on 5" post="1180120" timestamp="1329513562"] IMO talent would be all inclusive, combining athleticism, basketball IQ, court vision, discipline, unselfishness, confidence, work ethic, ability to identify and take advantage of opponents weaknesses, and ability to be a leader on the court. [/quote] I agree. The reason I started this topic is bc many have said certain teams have No Talent or this team has more talent than that team. If that's the case, wouldn't the more talented team win more so than not? It raises a question when team A has no talent, yet is winning more than team B who is suposedly 'loaded with talent'. I think 'talent' does include all of these, but some only look at one component that has been listed and make their decision based on that one quality.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1180114" timestamp="1329512475"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96046.msg1180092#msg1180092 date=1329511116] Go HJ! [/quote]Dawg, don't fall for it. Go Nederland! ;D [/quote] ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

His reason to not want to play Is bc he says they had injuries which is very much a legitimate reason. However it is not listed in the district rules so that is why I did not list it. Because of his injuries, he wanted to flip a coin, correct? So actually I did not omit his option. It is #4 on the list. Do u think I just made up that list? [quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1180093" timestamp="1329511143"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95984.msg1180086#msg1180086 date=1329510759] [quote author=team first link=topic=95984.msg1180079#msg1180079 date=1329508993] If they would have both agreed to play for the outright district championship, then it wouldn't have been co. Both coaches would have had to agree to this. Nederland wanted to play for out right champs [/quote] Thank You! I've only said that 3 times, yet you are the 1st to acknowledge this FACT! The rules have changed since two years ago when Ned beat Ozen. Although Ned won, both team's are in the books as 'Co-Champs'. The rule now states that if BOTH team's agree that the game is for the outright district title, then the winner will be the team in the books with the title, less the 'Co-'. Yes Soulja, y'all blew us out in Beaumont, just like we blew y'all out in Nederland! Are you really bringing up their game in December as the deciding factor? Please! The FACT remains that Ned wanted to play a game this weekend to decide the out-right district champ, and Lee did not. Regardless of their reason, Central was CONTENT with being 'Co-Champs'! BTW-Nowhere did I say Central was scared to play the game. [/quote]Name the other reasons that was reported quoted by the Jags boss why they elected not to play this game.  Stop with the selective comprehension. [/quote]

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1180102" timestamp="1329511701"] Keep winning in these playoffs and you get to have your chance to play us again.  That way, the Nederland kids, the Central kids, and both Coaching  staffs (everyone including me and you) can be happy.  ::) [/quote] Nothing would make me more happy than to see both of our schools make it that far this year. DV will say no way since our district is so weak.  ::) Here is my first round prediction: 20-4A sweeps 19-4A!

Go HJ!

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1180081" timestamp="1329509536"] [quote author=team first link=topic=95984.msg1180079#msg1180079 date=1329508993] If they would have both agreed to play for the outright district championship, then it wouldn't have been co. Both coaches would have had to agree to this. Nederland wanted to play for out right champs [/quote]No matter what, they wouldve finished with the same district record and they wouldve went in the books as codistrict champs. [/quote] No. U are incorrect on that. The rule is different this year than it was two years ago. The current options are: 1. Play the game for District Title AND seedings 2. Play the game for seeding only. Both team's are still co-champs 3. Concede the seeding, but remain co-champs 4. Flip for seeding, remain co-champs Nederland wanted option #1. Central wanted #4. They settled on 3.

[quote name="team first" post="1180079" timestamp="1329508993"] If they would have both agreed to play for the outright district championship, then it wouldn't have been co. Both coaches would have had to agree to this. Nederland wanted to play for out right champs [/quote] Thank You! I've only said that 3 times, yet you are the 1st to acknowledge this FACT! The rules have changed since two years ago when Ned beat Ozen. Although Ned won, both team's are in the books as 'Co-Champs'. The rule now states that if BOTH team's agree that the game is for the outright district title, then the winner will be the team in the books with the title, less the 'Co-'. Yes Soulja, y'all blew us out in Beaumont, just like we blew y'all out in Nederland! Are you really bringing up their game in December as the deciding factor? Please! The FACT remains that Ned wanted to play a game this weekend to decide the out-right district champ, and Lee did not. Regardless of their reason, Central was CONTENT with being 'Co-Champs'! BTW-Nowhere did I say Central was scared to play the game.

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="1180059" timestamp="1329507376"] Wow, way to stay on topic, guys! How about ya'll hash out the 4A standings for next year on another thread! Besides, it's HJ fans who are supposed to be hi-jacking threads, not all of you "up and coming" teams!  ;) [/quote] Sorry! Just learning from the best!  ;)

I think it comes down to who wants it more. Gonna go with OF on this one. I think their 6th man will have something to do with the outcome!  :)

[quote name="bullets13" post="1180040" timestamp="1329504975"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96046.msg1180016#msg1180016 date=1329502320] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96046.msg1180015#msg1180015 date=1329501874] Yes, its hard to swallow but Nederland  had a good run while it lasted ;) [/quote] U predicting that it's over?  ??? Not so fast!!  ;D [/quote] Central and Ozen will be as good or better than Nederland the next two or three years.  nederland might win/split another title before 2015, but i wouldn't bank on it. [/quote] The EXACT same thing was said after losing all that talent to graduation last year too.  ::)  ::) I agree that Central and Ozen will both be better next year than this year, but both teams are losing their best players (Smith & Green). Those type of players are hard to replace. Not only does Nederland return 4 starters, but both of Ned's top 2 players (Weisbrod and English) plus 5 additional Lettermen (3 JRs, 2 Soph) return next year too. As soon as English graduates, we'll be talking about his little brother. Ned's chances at winning another title in the next 3 years look very encouraging.  ;)

Just watched MJ's top 10 moments of his career on ESPN. Can't believe he's 49!

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1180015" timestamp="1329501874"] Yes, its hard to swallow but Nederland  had a good run while it lasted ;) [/quote] U predicting that it's over?  ??? Not so fast!!  ;D

Paint it however you like.  8) [quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1179995" timestamp="1329500384"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96046.msg1179978#msg1179978 date=1329498141] Hate is NOT an attractive quality DV!  >:( U can't deny it, bc U clearly HATE the fact that Nederland has now won this district 3 years in a row.  :o [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96046.msg1179970#msg1179970 date=1329497583] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96046.msg1179964#msg1179964 date=1329497144] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96046.msg1179929#msg1179929 date=1329494220] [quote author=bmrm link=topic=96046.msg1179772#msg1179772 date=1329451442] [quote author=lamar73! link=topic=96046.msg1179214#msg1179214 date=1329400191] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=96046.msg1178769#msg1178769 date=1329338201] [quote author=lamar73! link=topic=96046.msg1178748#msg1178748 date=1329337311] Silsbee conceded their way around Ricky Seal Jones. He is nasty! [/quote] Yes right into a Brookshire Royal team that has two '6"6 post players and swept Jones' Sealy team in district by scores of 101-81 and 86-70. ;) ::) The concession had more to do with Silsbee wanting to lineup a particular warm up opponent and prepare them for some match up problems than the route thru the brackets. [/quote] [u]Brookshire Royal[/u] Ray Johnson 6'6"  [b]ppg 10  rb 6  bl 1[/b] Kenton Sams 6'5"  [b]ppg12  rb 4  bl 1[/b] [u]Sealy[/u] Ricky Seals-Jones 6'6" [b]ppg 32  rb 14.7  bl 2[/b]  :o [/quote] HJ will have their hands full should they have to face Seals-Jones & Sealy. [/quote] HJ will be fine against Sealy. Brookshire Royal beat them by 20 at home and 16 at Sealy. If Royal is 18 points better than Sealy, then Sealy should not be much of a threat. Sounds like the big kid carries them in most games. He had 38 and 36 in both losses to Royal. You average 37 against a good team and lose, that shows you don't have much help, IMO. [/quote] ::) Now Nederland peeps think they're experts in basketball and only two years winning district. [/quote] CO-district titles at that.... ::) ::)....CO? two CO's out of a hundred tries!! CO.... ::) ::) ;D [/quote] [/quote] 1 ouright title in 457 years... ::)  8)...SHARED it twice...Once with Ozen, the other with Central... ::)..Do I HATE Nederland? No way...Is it difficult to stomach? You bet it is! 8) [/quote]

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="1179937" timestamp="1329495096"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96046.msg1179929#msg1179929 date=1329494220] [quote author=bmrm link=topic=96046.msg1179772#msg1179772 date=1329451442] [quote author=lamar73! link=topic=96046.msg1179214#msg1179214 date=1329400191] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=96046.msg1178769#msg1178769 date=1329338201] [quote author=lamar73! link=topic=96046.msg1178748#msg1178748 date=1329337311] Silsbee conceded their way around Ricky Seal Jones. He is nasty! [/quote] Yes right into a Brookshire Royal team that has two '6"6 post players and swept Jones' Sealy team in district by scores of 101-81 and 86-70. ;) ::) The concession had more to do with Silsbee wanting to lineup a particular warm up opponent and prepare them for some match up problems than the route thru the brackets. [/quote] [u]Brookshire Royal[/u] Ray Johnson 6'6"  [b]ppg 10  rb 6  bl 1[/b] Kenton Sams 6'5"  [b]ppg12  rb 4  bl 1[/b] [u]Sealy[/u] Ricky Seals-Jones 6'6" [b]ppg 32  rb 14.7  bl 2[/b]  :o [/quote] HJ will have their hands full should they have to face Seals-Jones & Sealy. [/quote] HJ will be fine against Sealy. Brookshire Royal beat them by 20 at home and 16 at Sealy. If Royal is 18 points better than Sealy, then Sealy should not be much of a threat. Sounds like the big kid carries them in most games. He had 38 and 36 in both losses to Royal. You average 37 against a good team and lose, that shows you don't have much help, IMO. [/quote]My goodness, if you score 38 points against those Twin Towers from BR and you gotta wonder if those two guys are any good. I'm liking Silsbee's chances against those guys if that is the case. [/quote] The Sealy kid is clearly going to score a lot (avg 32 ppg) regardless of their opponent, but Royal still beat them in both games (fairly easily). Remember when MJ scored 63 in a playoff loss to Boston in the 80's? Doesn't mean that the Celtics were not good.

Hate is NOT an attractive quality DV!  >:( U can't deny it, bc U clearly HATE the fact that Nederland has now won this district 3 years in a row.  :o [quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1179970" timestamp="1329497583"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96046.msg1179964#msg1179964 date=1329497144] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96046.msg1179929#msg1179929 date=1329494220] [quote author=bmrm link=topic=96046.msg1179772#msg1179772 date=1329451442] [quote author=lamar73! link=topic=96046.msg1179214#msg1179214 date=1329400191] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=96046.msg1178769#msg1178769 date=1329338201] [quote author=lamar73! link=topic=96046.msg1178748#msg1178748 date=1329337311] Silsbee conceded their way around Ricky Seal Jones. He is nasty! [/quote] Yes right into a Brookshire Royal team that has two '6"6 post players and swept Jones' Sealy team in district by scores of 101-81 and 86-70. ;) ::) The concession had more to do with Silsbee wanting to lineup a particular warm up opponent and prepare them for some match up problems than the route thru the brackets. [/quote] [u]Brookshire Royal[/u] Ray Johnson 6'6"  [b]ppg 10  rb 6  bl 1[/b] Kenton Sams 6'5"  [b]ppg12  rb 4  bl 1[/b] [u]Sealy[/u] Ricky Seals-Jones 6'6" [b]ppg 32  rb 14.7  bl 2[/b]  :o [/quote] HJ will have their hands full should they have to face Seals-Jones & Sealy. [/quote] HJ will be fine against Sealy. Brookshire Royal beat them by 20 at home and 16 at Sealy. If Royal is 18 points better than Sealy, then Sealy should not be much of a threat. Sounds like the big kid carries them in most games. He had 38 and 36 in both losses to Royal. You average 37 against a good team and lose, that shows you don't have much help, IMO. [/quote] ::) Now Nederland peeps think they're experts in basketball and only two years winning district. [/quote] CO-district titles at that.... ::) ::)....CO? two CO's out of a hundred tries!! CO.... ::) ::) ;D [/quote]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1179964" timestamp="1329497144"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96046.msg1179929#msg1179929 date=1329494220] [quote author=bmrm link=topic=96046.msg1179772#msg1179772 date=1329451442] [quote author=lamar73! link=topic=96046.msg1179214#msg1179214 date=1329400191] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=96046.msg1178769#msg1178769 date=1329338201] [quote author=lamar73! link=topic=96046.msg1178748#msg1178748 date=1329337311] Silsbee conceded their way around Ricky Seal Jones. He is nasty! [/quote] Yes right into a Brookshire Royal team that has two '6"6 post players and swept Jones' Sealy team in district by scores of 101-81 and 86-70. ;) ::) The concession had more to do with Silsbee wanting to lineup a particular warm up opponent and prepare them for some match up problems than the route thru the brackets. [/quote] [u]Brookshire Royal[/u] Ray Johnson 6'6"  [b]ppg 10  rb 6  bl 1[/b] Kenton Sams 6'5"  [b]ppg12  rb 4  bl 1[/b] [u]Sealy[/u] Ricky Seals-Jones 6'6" [b]ppg 32  rb 14.7  bl 2[/b]  :o [/quote] HJ will have their hands full should they have to face Seals-Jones & Sealy. [/quote] HJ will be fine against Sealy. Brookshire Royal beat them by 20 at home and 16 at Sealy. If Royal is 18 points better than Sealy, then Sealy should not be much of a threat. Sounds like the big kid carries them in most games. He had 38 and 36 in both losses to Royal. You average 37 against a good team and lose, that shows you don't have much help, IMO. [/quote] ::) Now Nederland peeps think they're experts in basketball and only [b]two[/b] years winning district. [/quote] THREE!! If you're going to take a chep shot, at least get Ur facts straight BD3!  ;D Anyway, I've seen Royal play twice. They are very good. However, since they are 18 points better than Sealy, I don't believe that HJ or Silsbee will lose to them.

No DV, Ned beat Central by 17 (51-34) in the 1st District matchup. Central beat Ned by 15 (49-34) in Beaumont. I would say that BOTH games were lopsided, so a game at a neutral site SHOULD be anyone's game. U can't count a game that was played 68 days ago and not count one from 38 days ago.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1179925" timestamp="1329493884"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95984.msg1179922#msg1179922 date=1329493294] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95984.msg1179917#msg1179917 date=1329492258] On a neutral court...[b]I would say that Central did them a FAVOR[/b], by conceding...They beat them 2 out of 3 games already only losing to them at Nederland...So say thanks to Central's coach for allowing you guys to keep that CO-district title.... 8) [/quote] P-lease!!  ::) ::) ::) Hard to beat a team that many times in a year, just look at the last OZ/Central game. After 3 straight Central wins, Ozen got them one. U can only base the outcome of this game on the 2 district matches. Nobody looks at a preseason game from over 2 months ago, and tries to make it relevant. Come on DV, I expect more out of you than that! That's weak, and you know it!! [/quote] [b]So you are not going to count your pre-district wins[/b]? I mean, apparently you wanna discount your pre-district losses...BOTH teams were at the same point of the season...They DOMINATED Nederland at Central....I came up with that based on the LAST game they played...it wasn't even close...YOU know that... ::) ::)...The concession by Central FAVORED Nederland in more ways than one. ;) [/quote] Why should I count them when you clearly don't count them? Since all that matters to you is a State Title. Heck, U barely count district titles, right? Tell me this: when the Lakers and Celtics play for the NBA Championship, do they count their regular season games? Do u think Galveston Ball said, oh ya, well y'all (Lamarque) may have won Regionals (and lost the state title), but we beat y'all twice in district? I don't think so!

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1179927" timestamp="1329494006"] NB, you seem to conveniently forgotten what was stated in that article.  There were other reasons that the Central staff (not the players since i thought it was the coaches say that has the final word) elected not to play this game.  Weve beaten Nederland twice already and the title would not change reguardless.  Also, we dont care about the difference in seeding.  Seem that your implying that Centeal is SCARED to play Nederland.  Ummm. Excuse me, but WHY would that be the case? [/quote] Not scared, Central just seems content with a Co-District Championship. As I mentioned, I kinda understand that mindset since it's been 12 years since the last time they won a district title. Maybe Nederland's kids would feel the same if we had not won (or shared) the last 2 years. In my generation, 2nd didn't mean anything except that your team is sitting on the couch come playoff time. That's the mentality I am instilling in my son's mind as well. Hopefully it will pay off!