Honest Abe

[quote name="bmrm" post="1179772" timestamp="1329451442"] [quote author=lamar73! link=topic=96046.msg1179214#msg1179214 date=1329400191] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=96046.msg1178769#msg1178769 date=1329338201] [quote author=lamar73! link=topic=96046.msg1178748#msg1178748 date=1329337311] Silsbee conceded their way around Ricky Seal Jones. He is nasty! [/quote] Yes right into a Brookshire Royal team that has two '6"6 post players and swept Jones' Sealy team in district by scores of 101-81 and 86-70. ;) ::) The concession had more to do with Silsbee wanting to lineup a particular warm up opponent and prepare them for some match up problems than the route thru the brackets. [/quote] [u]Brookshire Royal[/u] Ray Johnson 6'6"  [b]ppg 10  rb 6  bl 1[/b] Kenton Sams 6'5"  [b]ppg12  rb 4  bl 1[/b] [u]Sealy[/u] Ricky Seals-Jones 6'6" [b]ppg 32  rb 14.7  bl 2[/b]  :o [/quote] HJ will have their hands full should they have to face Seals-Jones & Sealy. [/quote] HJ will be fine against Sealy. Brookshire Royal beat them by 20 at home and 16 at Sealy. If Royal is 18 points better than Sealy, then Sealy should not be much of a threat. Sounds like the big kid carries them in most games. He had 38 and 36 in both losses to Royal. You average 37 against a good team and lose, that shows you don't have much help, IMO.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1179917" timestamp="1329492258"] On a neutral court...[b]I would say that Central did them a FAVOR[/b], by conceding...They beat them 2 out of 3 games already only losing to them at Nederland...So say thanks to Central's coach for allowing you guys to keep that CO-district title.... 8) [/quote] P-lease!!  ::) ::) ::) Hard to beat a team that many times in a year, just look at the last OZ/Central game. After 3 straight Central wins, Ozen got them one. U can only base the outcome of THIS non-game on the 2 district matches. Nobody looks at a preseason game from over 2 months ago, and tries to make it relevant. Come on DV, I expect more out of you than that! That's weak, and you know it!!

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1179906" timestamp="1329491745"] Dawg, I'm beginning to better understand the Nederland mind-set now. You all have something to prove and obviously its a respect issue. I can appreciate this. [/quote] Well, I do think their mentality is different than a few years ago when making the playoffs was considered a success. Now the bar has been set by 3 Consecutive District Titles (2 shared  ::) ), and a trip to the Regional Tourney last year, so they want more. It's only human nature, and I KNOW that U understand that type of mentality BD3!

Yes, PNG! PNG has beaten Central a couple of times in the past few years, and the Reservation ain't nice. In district play, PNG lost @ Central by 10, @ Livingston by 4, @ Nederland by 2, @ Ozen by 11, and LCM by 9. So yes, a 20 point win AT the Reservation shows no sign of anyone having serious injuries. Anyway, Central is deep enough this year that they can rest those who were injured and still be AS good. [quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1179897" timestamp="1329491297"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95984.msg1179893#msg1179893 date=1329491073] ALL team's are 'beat up' at this time of the year. Heck, Central just beat PNG by 20! Doesn't sound like they had much of an injury problem during that game?  ??? [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95984.msg1179887#msg1179887 date=1329490517] This should end this one...It is up to the discretion of the head coach, and whatever he feels his team needs at this point in the season...Central's coach said they had injuries and wanted to heal..Don't see an issue with that..Silsbee's coach wanted to see a different opponent for the playoff run..no problem with that either...Its not about fear, its more about knowing what YOUR team needs at this time...Its not about what the fans "want to see" right now either... its about what your team needs to be succesful in the playoffs. [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95984.msg1179885#msg1179885 date=1329490350] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95984.msg1179880#msg1179880 date=1329490047] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=95984.msg1179818#msg1179818 date=1329486520] [quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=95984.msg1179778#msg1179778 date=1329455650] Not playing the game to avoid injury?  IMO Central simply wanted to go into the playoffs coming off of a win. Yes I know, Central has beat Ned 2 out of 3 games, but ask any coach how hard it is to beat a good opponent 3 times in one year. Valid arguments for playing or not playing, but IMO you always play this game. [/quote]well, it would seem that the great minds at HJ and Silsbee would disagree with you.  More often than not, in recent times, they have bypassed this game. [/quote] Maybe so, but they both have a play-in game this year, as they did last year. They are not AVOIDING a game bc of fear of injury. They see the importance to play A game to avoid a long lapse since their last one. The Nederland kids voted, and WANTED to play this game. [/quote] [b]Agreed- I think the rhythm is altered when they miss the game next Tuesday.  The injury claim is a crock- that risk is run every time you step on the floor to practice or play[/b] [/quote] I DO agree with this statement. [/quote] [/quote] Dawg.....PNG?....really?...Its PNG.... ::) ::)....well maybe you're right considering the CURRENT state of that district.... ::)...I just can't believe it sometimes.. :-X [/quote]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1179892" timestamp="1329491044"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95984.msg1179889#msg1179889 date=1329490808] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95984.msg1179885#msg1179885 date=1329490350] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95984.msg1179880#msg1179880 date=1329490047] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=95984.msg1179818#msg1179818 date=1329486520] [quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=95984.msg1179778#msg1179778 date=1329455650] Not playing the game to avoid injury?  IMO Central simply wanted to go into the playoffs coming off of a win. Yes I know, Central has beat Ned 2 out of 3 games, but ask any coach how hard it is to beat a good opponent 3 times in one year. Valid arguments for playing or not playing, but IMO you always play this game. [/quote]well, it would seem that the great minds at HJ and Silsbee would disagree with you.  More often than not, in recent times, they have bypassed this game. [/quote] Maybe so, but they both have a play-in game this year, as they did last year. They are not AVOIDING a game bc of fear of injury. They see the importance to play A game to avoid a long lapse since their last one. The Nederland kids voted, and WANTED to play this game. [/quote] Agreed- I think the rhythm is altered when they miss the game next Tuesday.  The injury claim is a crock- that risk is run every time you step on the floor to practice or play [/quote] Not sure the last time Central won a district title in basketball, but maybe they were okay with just being co-champs? The kids work hard all year. District play, IMO, is a time to prove who is the best team in YOUR district, and for 'bragging rights'. [/quote] Dawg, you don't "play" for the district title past the last district game, UNLESS that is the agreement when going into the game..[b]You play for SEEDING..[/b].You will be Co-Champs in the books regardless of the outcome..By the way..The last time Central won their district was when they were 5A in 1999.. ;) [/quote] Not necessarily! IF both coaches agree that the game is to determine the outright district champions. In that scenario, it DOES determine a true winner.  ;) As I said, the Nederland players voted for this after the LCM game. Ned had to 'share' the title 2 years ago with Ozen. After getting a taste of that compared to an outright District Title last year, I'm guessing they wanted the latter, hence the unanimous vote. Coach Lee and his players were okay with sharing the title, I guess. After a 12 year drought, I kinda understand that. Nederland kids just want a little more. It shows to me that they are hungry and have something to prove. Hopefully that mindset carries into the playoffs.

ALL team's are 'beat up' at this time of the year. Heck, Central just beat PNG by 20! Doesn't sound like they had much of an injury problem during that game?  ??? [quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1179887" timestamp="1329490517"] This should end this one...It is up to the discretion of the head coach, and whatever he feels his team needs at this point in the season...Central's coach said they had injuries and wanted to heal..Don't see an issue with that..Silsbee's coach wanted to see a different opponent for the playoff run..no problem with that either...Its not about fear, its more about knowing what YOUR team needs at this time...Its not about what the fans "want to see" right now either... its about what your team needs to be succesful in the playoffs. [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95984.msg1179885#msg1179885 date=1329490350] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95984.msg1179880#msg1179880 date=1329490047] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=95984.msg1179818#msg1179818 date=1329486520] [quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=95984.msg1179778#msg1179778 date=1329455650] Not playing the game to avoid injury?  IMO Central simply wanted to go into the playoffs coming off of a win. Yes I know, Central has beat Ned 2 out of 3 games, but ask any coach how hard it is to beat a good opponent 3 times in one year. Valid arguments for playing or not playing, but IMO you always play this game. [/quote]well, it would seem that the great minds at HJ and Silsbee would disagree with you.  More often than not, in recent times, they have bypassed this game. [/quote] Maybe so, but they both have a play-in game this year, as they did last year. They are not AVOIDING a game bc of fear of injury. They see the importance to play A game to avoid a long lapse since their last one. The Nederland kids voted, and WANTED to play this game. [/quote] [b]Agreed- I think the rhythm is altered when they miss the game next Tuesday.  The injury claim is a crock- that risk is run every time you step on the floor to practice or play[/b] [/quote] I DO agree with this statement. [/quote]

[quote name="stevenash" post="1179885" timestamp="1329490350"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95984.msg1179880#msg1179880 date=1329490047] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=95984.msg1179818#msg1179818 date=1329486520] [quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=95984.msg1179778#msg1179778 date=1329455650] Not playing the game to avoid injury?  IMO Central simply wanted to go into the playoffs coming off of a win. Yes I know, Central has beat Ned 2 out of 3 games, but ask any coach how hard it is to beat a good opponent 3 times in one year. Valid arguments for playing or not playing, but IMO you always play this game. [/quote]well, it would seem that the great minds at HJ and Silsbee would disagree with you.  More often than not, in recent times, they have bypassed this game. [/quote] Maybe so, but they both have a play-in game this year, as they did last year. They are not AVOIDING a game bc of fear of injury. They see the importance to play A game to avoid a long lapse since their last one. The Nederland kids voted, and WANTED to play this game. [/quote] Agreed- I think the rhythm is altered when they miss the game next Tuesday.  The injury claim is a crock- that risk is run every time you step on the floor to practice or play [/quote] Not sure the last time Central won a district title in basketball, but maybe they were okay with just being co-champs? The kids work hard all year. District play, IMO, is a time to prove who is the best team in YOUR district, and for 'bragging rights'.

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="1179818" timestamp="1329486520"] [quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=95984.msg1179778#msg1179778 date=1329455650] Not playing the game to avoid injury?  IMO Central simply wanted to go into the playoffs coming off of a win. Yes I know, Central has beat Ned 2 out of 3 games, but ask any coach how hard it is to beat a good opponent 3 times in one year. Valid arguments for playing or not playing, but IMO you always play this game. [/quote]well, it would seem that the great minds at HJ and Silsbee would disagree with you.  More often than not, in recent times, they have bypassed this game. [/quote] Maybe so, but they both have a play-in game this year, as they did last year. They are not AVOIDING a game bc of fear of injury. They see the importance to play A game to avoid a long lapse since their last one. The Nederland kids voted, and WANTED to play this game.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1179808" timestamp="1329486041"] There is a bigger picture than a district win. To some teams who are use to winning at a certain level, they are more focused on the NEXT LEVEL. In this case, regional and Austin. [/quote] I was about to comment on this, then I saw where u CONVENIENTLY omitted any team's name!  ::) BD3 for President!

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1179523" timestamp="1329422458"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95944.msg1179519#msg1179519 date=1329422284] [quote author=BigRed42 link=topic=95944.msg1179277#msg1179277 date=1329404158] When and where is Big Ned playing Dayton? [/quote] They play Tuesday at 7:30 at HJ. [/quote] May need to attend this game. [/quote] Not thrilled about this location. I know we will have (at least) 1000 fans who will go to the game. That leaves only 50 spots for Dayton fans.

[quote name="BigRed42" post="1179277" timestamp="1329404158"] When and where is Big Ned playing Dayton? [/quote] They play Tuesday at 7:30 at HJ.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1179369" timestamp="1329410634"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96103.msg1179366#msg1179366 date=1329410241] The term 'talent' has been discussed in many different aspects on this forum. One's perception of talent seems to be different than the next guy's opinion. What are the top 5 (or more) qualities, in your opinion, that makes a High School kid 'talented'? There are plenty more, I know, but this should get it started: (Does not have to be in order) 1. Basketball IQ 2. Athleticism* 3. Diversified Scoring Ability (inside, outside, [b]SMRJ[/b], FTs) 4. Defensive Effeciency (Steals, Blocked Shots, defensive pressure) 5. Ball Control (Low TO/steal ratio; dribbling/passing) There are plenty others, I know. [/quote]sHEEZ! You left out the most important one..... mental toughness, and don't you dare use the excuse, "it goes under basketball IQ."  :) [/quote] Yep, that's where I put it-sorry!  :-[ Anyway, 'mental toughness' is necessary in ANY sport! As I mentioned, here is a START. Please add to it.  :) We don't know what talent looks like (in Nederland)  ::) - so we want to know!

The term 'talent' has been discussed in many different aspects on this forum. One's perception of talent seems to be different than the next guy's opinion. What are the top 5 (or more) qualities, in your opinion, that makes a High School kid 'talented'? There are plenty more, I know, but this should get it started: (Does not have to be in order) 1. Basketball IQ 2. Athleticism* 3. Diversified Scoring Ability (inside, outside, [b]SMRJ[/b], FTs) 4. Defensive Effeciency (Steals, Blocked Shots, defensive pressure) 5. Ball Control (Low TO/steal ratio; dribbling/passing) There are plenty others, I know.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1179273" timestamp="1329404053"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=96072.msg1179269#msg1179269 date=1329403915] Y'all are hilarious this  morning!  DV, you sure know how to get it stated!  ;D [/quote] Gets my day going! The best part of waking up, is DV in your cup!! ;D [/quote] Oh Lawd!  ;D

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1179266" timestamp="1329403693"] [quote author=baddog link=topic=96072.msg1179262#msg1179262 date=1329403515] You mean just because we won district titles in every major sport in 2011 and basketball (so far) in 2012 , we can't toot our horn? We must be doing something right to get an all caps post from the biggest blow hard around ( kidding of course) [/quote] Toot on, buddy...But the buck (or those #1 seeds in hoops) stops HERE!!  >:( ;D...BTW, [b]what the heck is a "blow hard[/b]"? ??? [/quote] I have no clue.  ???

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1179257" timestamp="1329403129"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96072.msg1179239#msg1179239 date=1329401989] Nederland fans, go back to your holes. We need to give full attention to 20-4A's 3rd place team.  ::) How dare y'all come on here to congratulate your team!  >:( [/quote] Some fans get on and congratulate their team....Nederland fans claim [b]GREATNESS HAS ARRIVED...WORLD DOMINATION[/b]!!  ::) ::)....You guys can have baseball, and even football in some years, but in 20-4A YOU CANT HAVE THE HOOPS!! I have seen ENOUGH!! >:( :D....Time to shift the power back!!  8) [/quote] Remind me again where has anyone from Nederland ever said this?

[quote name="stevenash" post="1179232" timestamp="1329401547"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96072.msg1179230#msg1179230 date=1329401324] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96072.msg1179225#msg1179225 date=1329401009] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=96072.msg1179200#msg1179200 date=1329398640] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96072.msg1179197#msg1179197 date=1329398242] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=96072.msg1179166#msg1179166 date=1329370540] [quote author=NDOMAKONG link=topic=96072.msg1179165#msg date=1329370013] Gonna be sick when we roll up another soccer, baseball, then football and basketball again next year... gonna get kinda demoralizing in my opinion so congrats on the COOOOO championship. [/quote]Soccer and baseball...  Who cares?  This is the Basketball forum.  ;) ;)  Football?  First ourtight district championship since when?  About 20 years ago?  Basketball?  Really?  With the awesome young guns from Ozen and Central returning?  Please... ::) ::) [/quote] Don't forget Soulja, Ned returns 4 starters next year, plus 5 other returning lettermen. We are as 'young' this year as anyone. Remember, this was our 'rebuilding year'!  ;) [/quote]We return the entire starting lineup minus one player and plus the addition of a first team all district player that had to sit out this year due to a Football injury, Robert Mitchell.  We'll be loaded again next year and for plenty years to come.  8) 8) [/quote] I understand Ur optimism, I was just reminding you that it's not going to be a 'given' that anyone wins district next year. We have our two best players returning so our chances are as good as any. Should be even more competitive next year.[b] I expect Ozen will be making much more noise as well. [/b] [/quote] Yeah thats right, because I will be taking my talents back to the Pear Orchard!!  ;D ;D "the decision".... 8) [/quote] Well, I guess that means multiple many consecutive undefeated district titles, a multitude of appearances in Austin, and several state Titles.  Congratulations in advance, to the Ozen Panthers. [/quote] Everything is cyclical. I am sure there are NBA/1st team All-Conference type players coming up. I have one in mind already.  :-X

Nederland fans, go back to your holes. We need to give full attention to 20-4A's 3rd place team.  ::) How dare y'all come on here to congratulate your team!  >:(

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1179200" timestamp="1329398640"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96072.msg1179197#msg1179197 date=1329398242] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=96072.msg1179166#msg1179166 date=1329370540] [quote author=NDOMAKONG link=topic=96072.msg1179165#msg date=1329370013] Gonna be sick when we roll up another soccer, baseball, then football and basketball again next year... gonna get kinda demoralizing in my opinion so congrats on the COOOOO championship. [/quote]Soccer and baseball...  Who cares?  This is the Basketball forum.  ;) ;)  Football?  First ourtight district championship since when?  About 20 years ago?  Basketball?  Really?  With the awesome young guns from Ozen and Central returning?  Please... ::) ::) [/quote] Don't forget Soulja, Ned returns 4 starters next year, plus 5 other returning lettermen. We are as 'young' this year as anyone. Remember, this was our 'rebuilding year'!  ;) [/quote]We return the entire starting lineup minus one player and plus the addition of a first team all district player that had to sit out this year due to a Football injury, Robert Mitchell.  We'll be loaded again next year and for plenty years to come.  8) 8) [/quote] I understand Ur optimism, I was just reminding you that it's not going to be a 'given' that anyone wins district next year. We have our two best players returning so our chances are as good as any. Should be even more competitive next year. I expect Ozen will be making much more noise as well.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1179166" timestamp="1329370540"] [quote author=NDOMAKONG link=topic=96072.msg1179165#msg date=1329370013] Gonna be sick when we roll up another soccer, baseball, then football and basketball again next year... gonna get kinda demoralizing in my opinion so congrats on the COOOOO championship. [/quote]Soccer and baseball...  Who cares?  This is the Basketball forum.  ;) ;)  Football?  First ourtight district championship since when?  About 20 years ago?  Basketball?  Really?  With the awesome young guns from Ozen and Central returning?  Please... ::) ::) [/quote] Don't forget Soulja, Ned returns 4 starters next year, plus 5 other returning lettermen. We are as 'young' this year as anyone. Remember, this was our 'rebuilding year'!  ;)

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1178788" timestamp="1329338975"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96072.msg1178776#msg1178776 date=1329338672] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=96072.msg1178716#msg1178716 date=1329335559] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=96072.msg1178712#msg1178712 date=1329335518] [Hidden Content] Done deal. Nederland is #1 seed, Central is #2. [/quote]Good deal. North Forrest it is. [/quote] Just noticed that CE King and North Forest are tied for 2nd. Has that seeding been decided already? Will they have a play-in game or did King win BOTH meetings? [/quote] Nope. They flipped for the seed this morning. NF won flip and is #2 seed, King is #3 seed. [/quote] Ok. Thanks. What does King have? Does Central match up favorably against them?

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1178716" timestamp="1329335559"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=96072.msg1178712#msg1178712 date=1329335518] [Hidden Content] Done deal. Nederland is #1 seed, Central is #2. [/quote]Good deal. North Forrest it is. [/quote] Just noticed that CE King and North Forest are tied for 2nd. Has that seeding been decided already? Will they have a play-in game or did King win BOTH meetings?

[quote name="octfeb" post="1178741" timestamp="1329336985"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96072.msg1178684#msg1178684 date=1329334549] Central has conceded the #1 seed to Nederland. [b]Nederland will play Dayton in round 1[/b], and Central will play North Forest. [/quote]any idea where this will be played? [/quote] Not yet. I would guess Barbers Hill or (hopefully) Beaumont.

[quote name="bball2011" post="1178729" timestamp="1329336409"] I can see why Central did this, why play this game...I think I would rather play somebody else rather than getting a bye...bye does nothing for you...Good luck to both teams...Do they know where Central game will be played.. [/quote] Neither team gets a bye. Nederland also cannot play a 'warm-up game' bc they have played all of their maximum pre-season games (tourneys don't count). Not sure if Central has played their max pre-season games or not. Sounds like Coach Lee won't play a 'warm-up game' anyway, since he doesn't want to play the play-in game. Good luck to the Jags and ALL 20-4A teams.

Central has conceded the #1 seed to Nederland. Nederland will play Dayton in round 1, and Central will play North Forest.