Honest Abe

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1176117" timestamp="1328971449"] Good analysis, DV.  One a side note, 'refs were RACIST?' WOW,thats a first Iv'e heard that one. :o [/quote] I have no idea what he's talking about. Not saying it didn't happen, but I didn't see it or hear anyone else mention it. Send me a PM of who it was, and I will investigate it. If anything, the white ref made more bad calls than any of the 3 refs.

[quote name="rc2182" post="1176100" timestamp="1328967722"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95812.msg1176054#msg1176054 date=1328938647] [quote author=team first link=topic=95812.msg1176050#msg1176050 date=1328938079] Did ozen jv win tonight? [/quote] As well as Ozen JV played, Ned hung around until the last few minutes of the game. Pretty much the same story as the Varsity squad, missed open shots. [/quote]  NB DAWG ,give credit wear credit is due, in the JV game #23 was on the bench along with the other starters ,when Ned. made their run ,put them back in, and the lead swelled. In the varsity game Ozen simply out played Ned. in all aspects ,other than free throw shooting, Ned. tried to play hack a Shaq. ;D ;D [/quote] Yep, that's what smart coaches do when they are down by 5 with two minutes to play. You foul the other team and send them to the line in hopes that they miss at least one. It didn't happen. Ozen shot 8-10 FTs and won the game! When Ned had a 5 point lead a few weeks ago, your coach sat on his butt the last two minutes, and Ned played keep away! I'm not sure what else u want me to say about #23? He's a stud! If the coach decides to play other players, then the other team needs to try to catch up during that time, and that's what happened. Our JV did not do what ur varsity did. We missed 8-10 FTs down the stretch, and Ozen JV blew the game open.

[quote name="bmrm" post="1176028" timestamp="1328935070"] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=95812.msg1175841#msg1175841 date=1328925321] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95812.msg1175836#msg1175836 date=1328925011] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=95812.msg1175834#msg1175834 date=1328924958] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95812.msg1175833#msg1175833 date=1328924912] Tied at 18. TO Ozen. 6 min [/quote] How is the crowd?? [/quote] Nederland fans showed up! About twice as many as Ozen. [/quote] ;D ;D ;D I said on the show two weeks ago that Nederland traveled better than any other team in SE Texas!!!  Looks like I was right!!! 8) 8) [/quote] Maybe for 4A & 5A schools but HJ typically puts more people in the visitor seats than any of their competitors and their home seats. [/quote] Since Lazeek is a HJ guy, I'm certain he is well aware of how HJ travels!  :-\

[quote name="team first" post="1176050" timestamp="1328938079"] Did ozen jv win tonight? [/quote] As well as Ozen JV played, Ned hung around until the last few minutes of the game. Pretty much the same story as the Varsity squad, missed open shots.

[quote name="5 on 5" post="1176047" timestamp="1328937460"] On a side note, Dove, I thought Ozen JV looked good tonight. [/quote] I agree on Ur past post, and I do believe the way the Ozen JV played tonight, they could have beaten many 4A teams in our district tonight. #23 was unstoppable!!!

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1175917" timestamp="1328928875"] Wow!  I wasn't expecting this one. I expected these 2 trips to beaumont to be tough but geeez!  Was Nederland's Coach outcoached again or were the 3 ball not falling?  Or was it that Ozen brought it? [/quote] Only made 4/16 from 3land, Ozen shot the ball very well (ESP at the FT line), and Weisbrod was in foul trouble all game.

[quote name="Tebowing" post="1175903" timestamp="1328928449"] English got out coached, BAD!! [/quote] Seriously?? U are a joke. We couldn't buy a bucket in the 3rd Q. Had nothing to do with coaching.

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1175834" timestamp="1328924958"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95812.msg1175833#msg1175833 date=1328924912] Tied at 18. TO Ozen. 6 min [/quote] How is the crowd?? [/quote] Nederland fans showed up! About twice as many as Ozen.

Tied at 18. TO Ozen. 6 min

End of -st: Ozen 18 Ned 13

2 min in 1st. Ozen 9 Ned 10

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[quote name="ForeverADog" post="1175512" timestamp="1328899793"] Behind Paul, Parker, Westbrook, at least. Then I put him in that next group. [/quote] That sounds fair. He is very good, but not yet elite like the others u listed. As much as he has improved though, I could see him reaching that elite level soon.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1175393" timestamp="1328888678"] Got word that they are appealing to stay in 4A and should easily be granted the appeal. [/quote] Not the vibe I got from reading a H. Chronicle article that quoted Coach Wise last week. Things may have changed since then, but Wise seemed to be fine with playing in 3A, and so does HISD.

[quote name="king" post="1175344" timestamp="1328884205"] Miami is the darkhorse in the acc! [/quote] How are they the dark horse when they just beat Duke last week? Doesn't that place 'light' on them?

(-11) Channelview @ [b]West Brook[/b] [b]La Porte[/b] @ PAM (-16) (-17) Crosby @ [b]Dayton[/b] GCM @ [b]Barbers Hill (-5)[/b] Livingston @ [b]LCM (-7)[/b] Lumberton @ [b]Central (-29)[/b] [b](-4) Nederland[/b] @ Ozen [b](-8) PNG[/b] @ Vidor Hamshire-Fannett @ [b]WOS (-4)[/b] [b](-37) Hardin-Jefferson[/b] @ Bridge City Orangefield @ [b]Silsbee (-24)[/b] Huffman @ [b]Coldspring[/b] (-16) Liberty @ [b]Cleveland (-14)[/b] Tarkington @ [b]Splendora (-15)[/b] [b]Newton[/b] @ Woden (-3) [b]Buna[/b] @ Hardin (-3) (-[b]28) East Chambers[/b] @ Anahuac West Sabine @ [b]Broaddus (-3)[/b] [b](-2) Evadale[/b] @ Big Sandy Sabine Pass @ [b]West Hardin (-11)[/b]

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="1175348" timestamp="1328884506"] My favorite part about playing basketball in the Hamshire Fannett Gym?  The Big sign on one of the walls that said, "[b]If you can't be an athlete, [u]be an athletic supporter[/u][/b]!".  ;D [/quote] From the movie, 'Grease'!  ;D

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1175274" timestamp="1328843819"] HJ struggled (and did lose mind you ;)) with Silsbee this year because Silsbee is just flat out a very good team. Like bullets stated, that is a very poor comparison of HJ/Silsbee and Ned/PNG as far as the quality of the teams. [/quote] I was comparing them as being rival games, not as a good team or a bad team. I know Silsbee is good, and I know PNG is not. Geez! I laid out facts about common opponents of Silsbee, Central, and Nederland. There is no way anyone can convince me that Silsbee would ABSOLUTELY win 2nd in this stupid made up district scenario. I am not claiming that Nederland would win 2nd either. But if one takes their heart out of it, and look at all of the common opponents, it's safe to say that 2nd place is up for grabs. I am simply presenting the information in an objective manner (such as how MaxPreps gets their rankings) where no heart is put into it, only measurable wins and losses. There is no way that a Jag fan (Soulja), a Tiger fan (AAW), and a Nederland fan (me) can set aside our emotions when discussing such a hypothetical. Everyone has an opinion, but looking at the examples of common opponents, it seems to me that ANY of these 3 team's could place 2nd in this scenario. I placed HJ in 1st bc they stand out above the rest, IMO. I'm not saying they wouldn't lose a game (bc obviously Silsbee beat them already), but their body of work is more consistent than the other 3 teams.

[quote name="bullets13" post="1175242" timestamp="1328837450"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95677.msg1175228#msg1175228 date=1328836131] After looking at this year's results, here is my two cents: 1. HJ would prob win this silly make believe district. 2. Silsbee, Nederland, and Central would all battle for 2nd. I came to this conclusion based on the fact that: -All 3 have defeated: HF, WO-S, PNG, and Ozen (Central is 3-1 against them), sorry Dickie, just the facts!  :-\ -Silsbee beat HYCA, and HYCA beat Central. -Central beat Ned twice, Ned won one against Central. -Nederland beat Baytown Sterling, Baytown Sterling beat Silsbee -Central beat WB, WB beat Ned, and Silsbee went 1-1 against WB -Ned beat Memorial twice, Central went 1-1 against them -Ned beat Hightower, HT beat Central twice These 3 teams seem to be even, and would probably split By winning at home. [/quote] i think this is a reasonable assessment, but [b]seeing HJ struggle with Silsbee twice[/b], i honestly believe that Silsbee would finish 2nd. [/quote] How is this relevant? Nederland struggles with PNG all the time, bc we are rivals. We have not lost to them in 6 years or so, but 6 of the last 8 games were won by 5 or less. Central beat Ozen 3 times this year, but Ozen won the last meeting. I would guess that has a lot to do with their games being a rival. Silsbee and HJ are rivals in their district, hence HJ 'struggled' with them.

[quote name="bullets13" post="1175239" timestamp="1328837335"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95677.msg1175222#msg1175222 date=1328834833] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95677.msg1175210#msg1175210 date=1328833189] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=95677.msg1175207#msg1175207 date=1328832450] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95677.msg1175196#msg1175196 date=1328831773] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=95677.msg1175191#msg1175191 date=1328831156] Its also kinda funny how Silsbee fans arent trying to make a case for dominance like a few of you guys are.. :D Seem to be getting responses from HJ people [/quote] actually, AAW did make the case for Silsbee dominance.  and there are only two HJ people on here doing the same for HJ.  It's also kinda funny that you keep ignoring the fact that HJ beat the crap out of the two best teams in 20-4A this year, and Silsbee beat the #3 team.  Yes, those two teams would be "near the top", because at the top is "near the top". [/quote] Alright buddy, I think you dont seem to get it.. I will again give the credit to HJ and Silsbee for defeating the best teams 20-4A has to offer.. I Only take offense to people assuming the dominance would be the same in this district, just because your record from your 3A district says you win lots of games.. Not buying it.. Competitive week-in and week-out, unlike you guys, who pencil in the Silsbee game so you know when you have to get players ready to play basketball.. Not saying I know everything or that I know more than the other guy, just making an opinion and adding a thought that some might want to consider [/quote] there's only three good teams in 20-4A, and 20-4A ISN'T THAT GOOD OF A 4A DISTRICT!  and HJ spanked Nederland and Central THIS YEAR.  [b]WOS played Nederland very close[/b].  HF isn't bad this year.  HJ and Silsbee just usually make them look bad.  20-4A isn't that much better than 21-3A on a whole.  and the bottom 3 of 20-4A are every bit as bad or worse than the bottom three of 21-3A, it's just that the top teams in 20-4A are more prone to playing closer games with them from time to time because THEY AREN'T as good as HJ or Silsbee THIS YEAR.  So there are three quality teams in 20-4A, and a couple of decent teams, and some very bad teams.  Realistically, Nederland should only have 2 games that are a threat for them to lose in each half of district.  For HJ it's 1 1/2, maybe, because WOS has shown from time to time they're capable of playing well against good teams.  I'm not seeing this huge advantage in quality top-to-bottom for 20-4A that you seem so hung up on.  I am, however seeing a huge advantage in the results in HJ and Silsbee vs. 20-4A THIS year.  Why that obvious advantage would not continue THIS YEAR if they were in the same district is beyond my understanding, but must be clear to you.  Oh yeah, that super-competitive district thing, right? [/quote] Nederland beat WO-S by 12, 30, and 2. They dominated in two of the games, and won on a last second shot when they last met. I think this topic is silly, but just thought some statements needed to be clarified. [/quote] so one good win out of three attempts?  a 12 point win against the 3rd or maybe 4th best team in the local 3A district is not much of a win, IMO. [/quote] Funny how you choose to discuss the 12 point win, but not the 30 point win? Ned led the 1st game by as much as 25, and the 2nd as much as 37. Either way, a win is a win, and every reasonable person I hear who state their opinion on this site says the same. Nederland never has (under Coach E) won by a lot, and they never will. Nederland has enough players to play everyone in blowouts. I realize smaller schools may only have 9-10 players, but when Ned gets a lead, Coach E tries to get as many kids as much PT as possible. Nederland does not press, so it's doubtful that we will ever break 100. I think we scored 80+ a few times last year, and maybe once this year. One game we had 48 at half, but only finished in the low 70s. If you're looking for a sexy win, Nederland is not the team, but I like our chances against anyone in the area. Anyone who has a good team can sneak up and win on any given night.

After looking at this year's results, here is my two cents: 1. HJ would prob win this silly make believe district. 2. Silsbee, Nederland, and Central would all battle for 2nd. I came to this conclusion based on the fact that: -All 3 have defeated: HF, WO-S, PNG, and Ozen (Central is 3-1 against them), sorry Dickie, just the facts!  :-\ -Silsbee beat HYCA, and HYCA beat Central. -Central beat Ned twice, Ned won one against Central. -Nederland beat Baytown Sterling, Baytown Sterling beat Silsbee -Central beat WB, WB beat Ned, and Silsbee went 1-1 against WB -Ned beat Memorial twice, Central went 1-1 against them -Ned beat Hightower, HT beat Central twice These 3 teams seem to be even, and would probably split By winning at home.

[quote name="bullets13" post="1175210" timestamp="1328833189"] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=95677.msg1175207#msg1175207 date=1328832450] [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=95677.msg1175196#msg1175196 date=1328831773] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=95677.msg1175191#msg1175191 date=1328831156] Its also kinda funny how Silsbee fans arent trying to make a case for dominance like a few of you guys are.. :D Seem to be getting responses from HJ people [/quote] actually, AAW did make the case for Silsbee dominance.  and there are only two HJ people on here doing the same for HJ.  It's also kinda funny that you keep ignoring the fact that HJ beat the crap out of the two best teams in 20-4A this year, and Silsbee beat the #3 team.  Yes, those two teams would be "near the top", because at the top is "near the top". [/quote] Alright buddy, I think you dont seem to get it.. I will again give the credit to HJ and Silsbee for defeating the best teams 20-4A has to offer.. I Only take offense to people assuming the dominance would be the same in this district, just because your record from your 3A district says you win lots of games.. Not buying it.. Competitive week-in and week-out, unlike you guys, who pencil in the Silsbee game so you know when you have to get players ready to play basketball.. Not saying I know everything or that I know more than the other guy, just making an opinion and adding a thought that some might want to consider [/quote] there's only three good teams in 20-4A, and 20-4A ISN'T THAT GOOD OF A 4A DISTRICT!  and HJ spanked Nederland and Central THIS YEAR.  [b]WOS played Nederland very close[/b].  HF isn't bad this year.  HJ and Silsbee just usually make them look bad.  20-4A isn't that much better than 21-3A on a whole.  and the bottom 3 of 20-4A are every bit as bad or worse than the bottom three of 21-3A, it's just that the top teams in 20-4A are more prone to playing closer games with them from time to time because THEY AREN'T as good as HJ or Silsbee THIS YEAR.  So there are three quality teams in 20-4A, and a couple of decent teams, and some very bad teams.  Realistically, Nederland should only have 2 games that are a threat for them to lose in each half of district.  For HJ it's 1 1/2, maybe, because WOS has shown from time to time they're capable of playing well against good teams.  I'm not seeing this huge advantage in quality top-to-bottom for 20-4A that you seem so hung up on.  I am, however seeing a huge advantage in the results in HJ and Silsbee vs. 20-4A THIS year.  Why that obvious advantage would not continue THIS YEAR if they were in the same district is beyond my understanding, but must be clear to you.  Oh yeah, that super-competitive district thing, right? [/quote] Nederland beat WO-S by 12, 30, and 2. They dominated in two of the games, and won on a last second shot when they last met. I think this topic is silly, but just thought some statements needed to be clarified.

[quote name="stevenash" post="1175139" timestamp="1328826153"] To me, its pretty simple.  Normally it isnt the case but this year it just happens that the top two teams in the area are from the same 3-a district.  If someone would have asked me before the year started if that was a likely outcome, I would have said probably not.  Even though it is an unlikely rarity, it is what it is and discussions wont change it.  Furthermore, the two teams dont win just because they press- they win because they are better than the other team(s) they played against.  All good coaches have their teams prepared for a press, so it was no surprise when it happened.  Face it, the press is effective and it takes intelligence, athleticism, and speed to be effective.  The two teams have those qualities in varying degrees. [/quote] I think a big reason that Silsbee beat HYCA so easily this year is bc HYCA does not see the press very often, and they don't have a coach per se. I don't remember if Central pressed them or not, but HYCA beat Central by quite a bit. HCYA has a couple of D1 players, and they have beat some good teams this year. However, they were not prepared for the press whatsoever.

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="1175120" timestamp="1328824023"] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=95677.msg1175115#msg1175115 date=1328823620] Its a different style of Ball then what the teams in 20-4A are used to playing.. Execution and fundamentals in the Half-court are more important and mean more in getting a victory.. As for HJ and Silsbee, better warm-up your legs and have press-breaks ready.. I think the 20-4A teams would perform much better if they were used the those types of games.. I can take heat for this comment and wont bother me, but Silsbee and HJ's players arent studs by any means.. They fit the system, like a glove.. Run the press, attack, sub when you are tired.. [/quote]No, I think you're right.  And that's one of the reasons that I think HJ and Silsbee are so successful in the play-offs.  Some of those teams, who are awfully good, make you wonder if they have ever seen a decent press in their lives. Good point. [/quote] Outside of SE TX, not a lot of teams press full court. Most 4A and 5A teams across the state play 1/2 court basketball. Yes, there are some, but as a whole, they're a minority. May be a reason not as many D1 kids come out of these programs, bc that style of play is not seen in college. U must develop the skills to be successful in a 1/2 court game to be a college player.

[quote name="ForeverADog" post="1175033" timestamp="1328814153"] No I did not. The west is so jammed packed that rockets could finish anywhere from 2nd to 10th! I'm impressed with them thus far but they need to keep it going! Long way to go! [/quote] I completely agree. I was just sooo shocked when I heard this on the radio earlier today, bc I haven't been following them this year.