Honest Abe

[quote name="longhornmiked" post="1173114" timestamp="1328562315"] Joel Lafleur PN-G (89-92) [/quote] I remember LaFleur droppin' 50 a couple of times.

[quote name="longhornmiked" post="1173114" timestamp="1328562315"] Joel Lafleur PN-G (89-92) [/quote] Bobby Straface PNG (87-89)

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1173084" timestamp="1328559325"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95532.msg1173034#msg1173034 date=1328556803] Jamie Weaver, Nederland. Was a teammate of the Phi Slamma Jamma at U of H. The guy could stroke it better than anyone I've ever seen. [/quote]You are kidding me? J.Weaver was a product of Nederland? mAN, you never too old learn something new. [/quote] Yes. His dad was the head bball coach here for about 10-15 years.

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="1173073" timestamp="1328558370"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95487.msg1172797#msg1172797 date=1328542271] I'm pretty sure not many people gave the 'Hoosiers' team in IN much of a chance either, but there is proof that it does happen at the HS level as well. Movie based on a 1954 IN HS team who won the state championship against all odds. [/quote]But the reason it became a movie is that stories like this happen once in a blue moon. [/quote] Yes, and that blue moon occurred a few years ago in a BCS game when Boise State beat the odds and defeated Oklahoma. It happens. We are not expecting it in Nederland (this year) but for someone to say there is NO CHANCE is simply ignorant.

Jamie Weaver, Nederland. Was a teammate of the Phi Slamma Jamma at U of H. The guy could stroke it better than anyone I've ever seen.

[b](-4) PAM[/b] @ West Brook [b](-9) Crosby[/b] @ Goose Creek Mem. [b]Barbers Hill[/b] @ Galena Park (-4) [b](-23) Central[/b] @ Vidor [b](-7) Ozen[/b] @ Livingston [b](-5) LCM[/b] @ PNG Lumberton @ [b]Nederland (-22)[/b] Center @ [b]Jasper (-14)[/b] Hamshire-Fannett @ [b]Silsbee (-26[/b]) [b](-16) Orangefield[/b] @ Bridge City WOS @ [b]Hardin-Jefferson (-21)[/b] (-5) Cleveland @ [b]Huffman[/b] Shepherd @ [b]Tarkington (-6)[/b] [b](-8) Splendora[/b] @ Liberty [b](-9) Central Heights[/b] @ Newton [b](-17) Buna[/b] @ Anahuac Deweyville @ [b]Hardin (-21)[/b] [b](-35) Kountze[/b] @ Warren Hull-Daisetta @ [b]West Hardin (-17)[/b] Sabine Pass @ [b]Big Sandy (-18)[/b]

[quote name="east texas bb" post="1172911" timestamp="1328551392"] Im sorry, I must have been brought up different than some others, but Houston Yates dont scare me or intimidate me at all.  I played against the best Houston had to offer for 5 straight summers and Im from right here in little old East Texas.  Yates is in for more of an awakening than HJ or Silsbee.  This reminds me of when I was growing up, and we would hear of a player from New York or Los Angelos, people would think and even college coaches recruit them on this basis, but when it gets right down to it, they are no different than me and you.  A friend of mine that played for the Detroit Pistons, told me I would see this and he was absolutly correct. [/quote] Preach On East TX bball! Some try intimidation techniques to demoralize others. It gets real old on this board when people talk about teams that they have never seen play. I don't think Boise State approached their BCS game against Oklahoma a few years ago when they were clearly the underdog, yet beat all odds and won the game. They were not afraid of their NAME only!

[quote name="Silsbeealum14" post="1172937" timestamp="1328552383"] You trying to be funny but be Realistic Idiot !!!! :-X [/quote] Idiot? Realistic? First of all...never mind, not going to waste my time on someone like yourself.  8)

[quote name="Silsbeealum14" post="1172899" timestamp="1328550799"] Don't forget that Nederland has to go through Houston Yates to make it 2 State !!!! Just Saying [/quote] Really?? Well hello Captain Obvious!  :P

[quote name="pete092775" post="1172912" timestamp="1328551417"] well would have thought after everyone was so confident that nederland can adjust to anything they would have but didnt. Guess there coach was asleep this time. If you cant score from the outside id say you better adjust or just give up and get beat by a team that you had already blown out.Great coaching there. ;) [/quote] You've obviously never coached a team!  ;)

[quote name="east texas bb" post="1172896" timestamp="1328550720"] I know this changes the subject a little, but could someone describe the Basketball program at Nederland before Coach English, lets say the 10 years before he got there.  I do research on programs that have built themselves from the bottom up, and the outward appearance at Nederland is that.  Was Nederald very successful at anything?  What was the emphasis sport for Nederland?  Just curious. [/quote] For the past 10 years prior to Coach E, Ned was at the bottom in basketball. The emphasis sport in Nederland has been, and always will be football. Ned FB just won a district title this past season, which was their 1st in 45+ years. However, Ned FB makes the playoffs MOST years. I believe Ned FB reached the Qurter Finals one year (late 90s/early 2000s). Ned has also done very well in baseball (2nd sport of emphasis). Ned has won Regionals a couple of times, but fell short of a state title. Over the past 10 years, probably 5-6 district titles (maybe more). Even soccer has been more popular in Nederland until Basketball became relevant a few years ago. Ned won their district in soccer 18 years straight and 20/21 yers (Hey DV-When Ozen has that kind of a streak, call me  ;) )Usually only win 2-3 playoff games though. I believe one year they may have gone a bit further??

[quote name="east texas bb" post="1172881" timestamp="1328549198"] Shooting 22 percent is tough to overcome and normally a loss will result.  Everyone has games like that, you just have to either hope it is against a very weak opponent or not at a critical time in the season, such as the playoffs.  Nederland sounds like they had an off night, believe me, for anyone that has played basketball, can understand this happening on occasion. I remember my Junior year, we were loaded, class 2A, ranked 1 all year, clearly had the best team in the state, could have argued the best in 3A, started 6'7" Jamie Kendrick (Baylor), Drew Henson 6'5" (pithed in college), Josh Jones 6'2" (ETBU DII), Clint Cover 6'2" (dang good shooter), Andre Austin 5'9 (played college football).  We had beat 4A and 5A teams all year, Region Quarter beat Paris 104-44, and the next game in Region Semi's we didnt shoot the ball as well as possible but not terrible, but they shot [b]72 percent from the floor and 31-32 from the FT[/b] line, and we was still in the game.  If we would have played them 10 more times we would have won them all, but that is HS basketball, the next day they lost to EC, whom no one thought would go to Austin. My point is the nature of HS basketball, or basketball period when it is a one and done scenerio. A team can get hot, or another can have an off night.  Nederland shouldnt feel humiliated, they should feel fortunate that their off game was only a district game and wont effect them making the playoffs. [/quote] That's unheard of! Very good points you made as well. Nederland will bounce back Friday night and play well. Ozen may play better, but I just can't see Ned shooting 22% from the field again this season. As far as the playoffs go, any one between Ozen, Ned, and Central could find their way to the regional tourney this year. Need to focus on starting another streak tomorrow night against Lumberton!

[quote name="rc2182" post="1172831" timestamp="1328545436"] Agreed, but I will go as far to say ,which ever team comes out as the district leader next year will make a deep run in the playoffs based on the talent level coming up from all three teams Ned.,Ozen, Central .Hate looking past this year but our district is not very strong compared to others ,however it is fun and competive to watch locally. [/quote] I think all 3 team's will make a lot more noise next year as well. I am with you though, I am more interested today in talking about this year. On your other statement about this district being 'down', others are as well. 19-4A isn't anything special, and neither is district (17) with Brenham/Magnolia, Mag West/Stratford. District 20-4A plays 19-4A in round one, then will play either 17 or 18 4A in round 2. Both of those rounds are very 'winnable' for Ned, Central, and Ozen. All you need is 3 wins for a trip to Regionals, in which the 20-4A champ and 4th place (Likely LCM) has to go through Humble to accomplish that feat. The runner up and 3rd place winner has to go through KW Park, Stratford, Magnolia, or Crosby. None of these team's are considered 'Powerhouses'. Yates, Manvel, Pearland Dawson, Terry, Lamar Consolidated, and Wheatley are all in a different bracket, and will beat up on one another to reach the Regional tourney.

[quote name="pete092775" post="1172847" timestamp="1328546683"] Ya two years is a good streak but after that blow out by central. Ozen realized the weak links in Nederland and plan on showing the rest of the district just how bad nederland can be beat. And I do stand corrected I was advised that it isnt point difference that they will play to break the three way tie. Not only once will central an ozen blow out nederland but get to humilate them again in those games too. 8) [/quote] Pretty confident there Pete!  ;) Don't think Ned was humiliated Friday night though. Maybe frustrated at how poorly we shot as a team, but not humiliated. Remember, Nederland usually doesn't shoot below 30% (and never 22%) from the field. If Ned had shot 30% from the field on Friday night, the game would have either been tied in the middle of the 4th or Ned would have been leading by 2-3 points (depending if they were 2s or 3s). I'm not one to live in what COULD have happened IF......, but as poorly as Ned played, the game was still within reach with 4 minutes remaining. Don't see how you claim that was humiliating?? Was Central HUMILIATED three weeks ago when Ned beat them by 17? I don't think so. They too were probably FRUSTRATED bc they could not buy a bucket.

[quote name="stevenash" post="1172828" timestamp="1328545117"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=95474.msg1172826#msg1172826 date=1328545044] I sat next to the Ozen Coaches/scouts that were watching Nederland.  Let's just say that the things that I saw that we did good as far as beating Nederland, they saw way more than I saw and they will be ready.  Now the Scouts had a game plan.  Now if the coach will actually follow through is another thing. [/quote] Game plans are great but they still must be executed by the players.  The coaches can only do so much. [/quote] I agree. Central was not the first team this year to use that approach. Hightower, North Shore, LCM, PNG, and Ozen all played either a box-in-one or triangle-in-two. Nederland shot well from the outside against most of those teams and won. Nederland did not shoot well Friday night, hence the lopsided defeat. I predict that Lubera will have a big game Friday against Ozen.

[quote name="rc2182" post="1172811" timestamp="1328543469"] Guys ,you are going to eventually have to accept the idea Nederland is good ,but barring a miricle ,no chance for state ,no time soon ,it's a long road to get there for even the very best of teams .With that being said be proud of the accomplishments and strides they have made ,but state with the team they have now, no way. [/quote] I hear ya rc. I don't think anyone is predicting (or expects) this team to win it all this year. We are just enjoying the ride, and it's exciting to see how far they can go. Next year, however, expectations will be a bit higher, and I will be singing a different tune.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1172802" timestamp="1328542575"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95487.msg1172797#msg1172797 date=1328542271] I'm pretty sure not many people gave the 'Hoosiers' team in IN much of a chance either, but there is proof that it does happen at the HS level as well. Movie based on a 1954 IN HS team who won the state championship against all odds. [/quote]2012-1954= 58 years. Yep, its long overdue for a Hoosier miracle to happen for Nederland  ::) [/quote] I hear ya. Just mentioning examples in which everyone can relate. I'm sure it's happened many times since then. It was such a big deal then bc it would be like Evadale (who has a very good program) beating FM Marcus this year. Back then, they didn't have different classifications which made it  such a big accomplishment.

I'm pretty sure not many people gave the 'Hoosiers' team in IN much of a chance either, but there is proof that it does happen at the HS level as well. Movie based on a 1954 IN HS team who won the state championship against all odds.

[quote name="stevenash" post="1172744" timestamp="1328537925"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95487.msg1172740#msg1172740 date=1328537576] Not many experts picked the #6 seed in the Western Conference to win the NBA title in 1994 but The Rockets proved (just about) everyone wrong! [/quote] If my understanding is correct, the Giants had to beat the Cowboys in the last game just to get into the playoffs and then they won the Superbowl? [/quote] That is correct.

Not many experts picked the #6 seed in the Western Conference to win the NBA title in 1994 but The Rockets proved (just about) everyone wrong!

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1172719" timestamp="1328534744"] [quote author=vp32 link=topic=95487.msg1172710#msg1172710 date=1328534100] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95487.msg1172707#msg1172707 date=1328533931] Vp, would you put money on those long odds? Didn't think so! You just get your signature line ready after this week!  8) [/quote] Does it matter if i would put money on it Dickie? No it doesn't. The topic of the thread clearly reads chances for state and i am simply arguing that Nederland has a chance. [/quote] OK, and I am saying that the odds are slim to none....closer to none! ;) [/quote] To quote one of my favorite movies: "Yes! So you're saying there is a chance!". (Lloyd Christmas)

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1172308" timestamp="1328397767"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95474.msg1172300#msg1172300 date=1328396423] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95474.msg1172291#msg1172291 date=1328395218] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95474.msg1172283#msg1172283 date=1328394016] NB-Dawg, come on man....don't get upset ...insecurities? I have none....I was simply answering your question...Is it that you thought the Nederland streak was special? Sorry to burst your bubble, but its been done before...29 district wins is commendable...but you people were acting like it was earth shattering, and it was not...its over now, so hopefully your team can refocus, and take care of business in the coming weeks....insecure? Are you kidding me?....  ::) [/quote] Actually, it's never been done in Nederland DV, so we are soaking it up. You can't stand for Nederland to be doing so well, it's comical! There is no bubble to burst, bc we are happy campers in Mid County. We are 25-6 in a rebuilding year!  :o  [/quote] They haven't done anything NB.... ::).. Yes they are playing well and will likely win district 20-4A for a second straight year...I am glad Coach E has them going in the right direction...That is a great accomplishment for Nederland...MY point was it was done like that to the 10th power, and no issue was made from it as it has this season...It was done at Ozen so regularly, that it was the EXPECTATION. Lincoln too...I don't think that the PORT ARTHUR News EVER mentioned Lincoln's YEARS OF CONSECUTIVE DISTRICT WINS, as much as they have Nederland's short lived run....I guess I DO have issue with THAT, but its not personal....I wish Nederland luck this season, going forward....I think they have a great coach... he is a good guy, and I consider him to be a personal friend....and has been for the last 12 years...relax... 8) [/quote] It's all about perspective DV. Didn't say we've accomplished anything yet did I? I said we are enjoying our current success bc we haven't had any for 50+ years until recently. May not be success in your book, but it's success for a program that lived in the dweller for so many years. I think most teams who are in a rebuilding year (even HJ, [b]Silsbee, Kountze) would be ok sitting at 25-6 at this time of the season.[/b] [/quote] Oh wait, Silsbee is at 20-7 and Kountze is 24-8 this season (both in a 'rebuilding year')!  ::)

[quote name="rc2182" post="1172404" timestamp="1328451447"] HJ AND SILSBEE ARE THE ONLY TWO TEAMS WITH A REALISTIC CHANCE AT GOING TO STATE, AND OZEN GIRLS OF COURSE,AS A MATTER OF FACT THEY (OZEN GIRLS ) WILL WIN STATE. [/quote] How about the B Hill girls? Are they good enough to knock out Ozen?

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1172300" timestamp="1328396423"] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95474.msg1172291#msg1172291 date=1328395218] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95474.msg1172283#msg1172283 date=1328394016] NB-Dawg, come on man....don't get upset ...insecurities? I have none....I was simply answering your question...Is it that you thought the Nederland streak was special? Sorry to burst your bubble, but its been done before...29 district wins is commendable...but you people were acting like it was earth shattering, and it was not...its over now, so hopefully your team can refocus, and take care of business in the coming weeks....insecure? Are you kidding me?....  ::) [/quote] Actually, it's never been done in Nederland DV, so we are soaking it up. You can't stand for Nederland to be doing so well, it's comical! There is no bubble to burst, bc we are happy campers in Mid County. We are 25-6 in a rebuilding year!  :o  [/quote] They haven't done anything NB.... ::).. Yes they are playing well and will likely win district 20-4A for a second straight year...I am glad Coach E has them going in the right direction...That is a great accomplishment for Nederland...MY point was it was done like that to the 10th power, and no issue was made from it as it has this season...It was done at Ozen so regularly, that it was the EXPECTATION. Lincoln too...I don't think that the PORT ARTHUR News EVER mentioned Lincoln's YEARS OF CONSECUTIVE DISTRICT WINS, as much as they have Nederland's short lived run....I guess I DO have issue with THAT, but its not personal....I wish Nederland luck this season, going forward....I think they have a great coach... he is a good guy, and I consider him to be a personal friend....and has been for the last 12 years...relax... 8) [/quote] It's all about perspective DV. Didn't say we've accomplished anything yet did I? I said we are enjoying our current success bc we haven't had any for 50+ years until recently. May not be success in your book, but it's success for a program that lived in the dweller for so many years. I think most teams who are in a rebuilding year (even HJ, Silsbee, Kountze) would be ok sitting at 25-6 at this time of the season.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1172283" timestamp="1328394016"] NB-Dawg, come on man....don't get upset ...insecurities? I have none....I was simply answering your question...Is it that you thought the Nederland streak was special? Sorry to burst your bubble, but its been done before...29 district wins is commendable...but you people were acting like it was earth shattering, and it was not...its over now, so hopefully your team can refocus, and take care of business in the coming weeks....insecure? Are you kidding me?....  ::) [/quote] Actually, it's never been done in Nederland DV, so we are soaking it up. You can't stand for Nederland to be doing so well, it's comical! There is no bubble to burst, bc we are happy campers in Mid County. We are 25-6 in a rebuilding year!  :o