ST413

No......unless its on a friday!! I wrk saturdays! ;)

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1364480" timestamp="1358452107"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=108282.msg1364474#msg1364474 date=1358451326] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=108282.msg1364471#msg1364471 date=1358450971] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=108282.msg1364467#msg1364467 date=1358450468] Silsbee beat all BMT schools! [/quote]...and[b] Silsbee lost to Baytown Lee[/b] (a team with 5 wins for the season) and to our district mates, Nederland twice(Central beat them)... ;) [/quote] Those losses by Silsbee really makes that Central loss to Silsbee JV really look even worse. ;) [/quote]  >:( ;) [/quote] I will say this,  I haven't seen Central but if you put this Tiger team on the floor and they play like they did the first half against HJ for the whole game then I have to feel that they beat Central or anybody else in our immediate area.  That is the way I would like to see them play against Yates no matter how the outcome ended.It would be a real fun game to watch.

[quote name="whsalum" post="1364299" timestamp="1358394293"] Read my post Soulja. I didn't say the outcome would have been different I said the arena hurt the game. I don't have a dog in this fight from either side but the atmosphere was dead compared to years past in both Silsbee and Sour Lake.I have seen a ton of basketball in my lifetime and this was far from a good basketball game.The game tightened up in the end but when you look at shooting percentages, free throw percentages and turnovers it wasn't a real well played game.Both clubs can play much better and I believe they will in the rematch. [/quote] I can't speak for the HJ side of things but the Tigers ft percentage seemed higher than normal. The 3 pt percentage wasn't that good but it isn't much better many nights for the Tigers.  Not sure about how the turnovers compare.  I think as far as the Tigers at least for 3 qtrs,  that was the best defensive game that I have seen this year especially in the half court.  I do agree with you in that I fealt the atmosphere suffered but in a big arena unless its really packed you aren't going to get the noise level which makes up a big part of that.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1364187" timestamp="1358369118"] I think HJ foul shooting was definitely better in fourth quarter as was most everything they did.  I suppose one can contend that this was due to a Silsbee falloff or an HJ improvement.  If you think about it, this game, to my way of thinking, was remarkably similar to first game last year but it didnt come down to a final shot in the last couple of seconds.  Silsbee building big lead early in the game and then HJ trying to comeback.  Who knows, maybe it is possible that the amount of energy expended by Silsbee in the early part of the game ( which served them well) caused them to not be able to defend quite as efficiently late in the game (hence the reaching fouls you mentioned) that may have helped HJ make a comeback.  On the other hand, if they hadnt played that aggressive defense in the first half, they may not have had as big a lead to work with at the half.  My guess is that it is not likely that any team can maintain the same level of proficiency throughout a game if the competition is reasonable. [/quote] The free throws were definitely an improvement on Hjs part as was their play. Like BS said they played that quarter like their life depended on it.  You do bring up a good point with the energy thing though.  I made the comment last night during that last quarter that that is the time we usually have the other team tired and can pull away.  Not sure if it was our energy being gone or being scared of fouls but our defense lacked some intensity at that time.  However like I said before the Tigers do have a tendency to relax late in the game with a sizable lead and allow other teams to get some momentum going.  Lots of times the other team isn't capable of taking full advantage of this.  HJ is and dud last night.  They could have folded but in typical hj style they made that big run and capitalized on each Tiger mistake forced or not.  I don't know if being tired had anything to do with the reach in fouls or not.  I know it can but like you said that is our style.  We did that throughout the entire game,  maybe we were slower with it at the end drawing fouls,  And maybe not.

Dove if you figure out how to get the kids to by into that idea.  Let us in Silsbee know how you did it.

We do live and die by our style but I was not far from the coaches and could see them trying to get the players to stop the fouling as well as the quick shots.  No I didn't hear what was said but it appeared that way to me.  And yes I understand your theory but the question is how long would it take time wise to have those three possessions.  It would have taken a minimum of 12 possessions for hj to make the 3's to cover almost all of those points.  That would have eaten a large amount of that clock,  especially if we had some good possessions on the other end. And yes this is only my opinion and they definitely are paying the ones who need to be making those decisions on both sides instead of me.  I would like to know what hj's free throw numbers were in that fourth quArter though. In my mind it seemed better than the rest of the game but that may have just been my perception with the game getting tight.

Whether they were fouls in the first half doesn't matter.  They definitely were in the second.  My point was that in the fourth quarter the biggest opponent the hawks had was the clock.  We needed to play good defense without reaching or trying for the tough steals and stopping that clock.  We needed good offensive possessions to keep that clock running.  Yes hj started hitting 3's but not everyone was going to go in. Could the game still have gotten close.....sure.  We just didn't need to help by stopping the clock so much.

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1364093" timestamp="1358350305"] [quote author=ST413 link=topic=108282.msg1364083#msg1364083 date=1358349081] The Tigers did a lot of favors for HJ in that last quarter.  Granted increased intensity by HJ was a cause in some of it. Poor decisions on the Tigers part played a big part as well.  Several senseless fouls sending Hj to the line and way too many short offensive possessions as well as a loss of defensive intensity. [/quote] Some would consider that forcing a 50% free throw shooting team to the line to be a good strategy, particularly is they are beginning to shoot better from the field.  Silsbee earned what they got in three quarters and HJ earned what they got in 1 quarter. [/quote] Never said hj didn't earn what they got,  I did say we did them favors in getting it.  Why don't you ask your "source" or Coach Sutherland if they want their team to have reaching or similar fouls in the back court or  out well past the three point line with a large lead in the fourth quarter.  I would guess their answer would be the same no matter what free throw percentage the other team shot.  Now if that lead was down to 4 pts early in that quarter that answer might change.  The Tigers did not play as well in that quarter mentally, yes partly due to hj and partly a trait the Tigrs have had.  For our sake it needs to end.

[quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="1364089" timestamp="1358349868"] [quote author=ST413 link=topic=108282.msg1364083#msg1364083 date=1358349081] The Tigers did a lot of favors for HJ in that last quarter.  Granted increased intensity by HJ was a cause in some of it. Poor decisions on the Tigers part played a big part as well.  Several senseless fouls sending Hj to the line and way too many short offensive possessions as well as a loss of defensive intensity. [/quote] I thought the game was called fair, in fact it was really good. I think that they let a lot of contact go in the first half for BOTH teams and tightened up in the second half on BOTH teams. But I could make the same comment that you did and say, we made poor decisions in the first half that it wasn't your pressure, and that we did a lot of "favors" for the tigers. But we both know how momentum works. [/quote] Never once did I say anything about the officiating being unfair and I also credited Hj in causing some of our mistakes.  But that had little to do with us running down and hurrying shots or making poor fouls in the center of or back court. This doing the Hawks a big favor at that time and stopping the clock, and giving th free throws no matter what percentage they made. 

The Tigers did a lot of favors for HJ in that last quarter.  Granted increased intensity by HJ was a cause in some of it. Poor decisions on the Tigers part played a big part as well.  Several senseless fouls sending Hj to the line and way too many short offensive possessions as well as a loss of defensive intensity.

[quote name="Gucci" post="1364041" timestamp="1358342946"] First time in a loonnngggg time I've witnessed Silsbee flat out punk HJ. It's like they slapped HJ and dared them to swing back. Silsbee is twice as good as Hj this year so don't let that comeback fool ya. It'll be another 10yrs before Hj beat Silsbee again in Basketball on the Varsity level. Silsbee farm system is loaded....lol [/quote] 10 years???  This might be the most assinine statement I have heard.

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1363969" timestamp="1358308564"] HJ played the 4th like their season depended on it. Silsbee played the 4th as if thier defense had already got on the bus to go home. Great win but must play a complete game. Nice play by HJ as well. Cant wait for the second match up! [/quote] I have never agreed more with a statement you have made BS!  The Tigers defense was changed a little in the second half by the refs seeming to call the game a little tighter but in that fourth quarter the Tigers lacked in some of rotations that they had been getting to earlier.  The Hawks started hitting shots and the Tigers made some bad decisions with the ball as well.  Not taking away from a great effort that quarter by the Hawks but this has been a problem for the Tigers in the past.  They have built big leads and seem to ease up and those leads dwindle.  This team is best when they play with that intensity and fire like they played with in that first half.  That was by far the best I have seen from my Tigers this year,  especially in the half court defense.  They didn't let HJ's shooters get good looks.  Congrats guys on a good win but next time lets play solid for all 4 quarters.

This is the Tiger team I have been waiting to see!

Lets get ready to rummmmble!

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1363733" timestamp="1358284940"] [quote author=ST413 link=topic=108173.msg1363707#msg1363707 date=1358280122] [quote author=PoppaBearstarr link=topic=108173.msg1363703#msg1363703 date=1358278608] [quote author=usedtobe link=topic=108173.msg1363679#msg1363679 date=1358274829] [quote author=ST413 link=topic=108173.msg1363628#msg1363628 date=1358267622] [quote author=PoppaBearstarr link=topic=108173.msg1363599#msg1363599 date=1358261724] We will see tonight, although I don't give us much of a chance being we only have 3 of the top ten players. That is overwhelming odds to overcome to play a team with 7 of the top 10 players. Good thing there are just opinions on here. Unlike some if we lose I will give props to the winner not excuses. Good luck to my Hawks against overwhelming odds. [/quote] Not overwhelming at all, only 5 play at a time and having at least the two best shooters on the floor is A BIG plus for hj. Besides I didn't rank those top 10 in my opinion,  no telling where those hj players fall into that list.  If having a large numbe if better players guaranteed a win some of these pro teams would never lose.  It's the TEAM that plays best that wins not the player. [/quote] Yeah, Poppa, get outta' here with that BS reverse psychology.  You've been serving that stuff up for too long now. ;D 8) [/quote] I didn't pull the 7 of the 10 best players out of the air...It came from a self proclaimed expert...with all of that said I just don't see how we can win. Only 5 at a time, we have played them plenty of times when it was 8 on 5  ;) . Even the news proclaimed last night in mentioning Silsbee's record but qualified it with them playing a much harder schedule. I'm excited to see how it all comes out. Hopefully we can keep it respectable tonight. [/quote] I am far from one of the self-proclaimed experts on here!!!  Merely stated my opinion,  hard to base to much on having only seen most of those hj players a few times.  Besides listening to all you experts from hj,  those 3 state titles over the last 50 years or so make y'all the big favorite! [/quote]Keep it going fellas. We want to fill up Ford Arena tonight [/quote] I may have to admit forgetting about a hj player that would have made my count 6 out of 10.

Maybe in the minds of those same people.  You will have to ask one of those experts.

[quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="1363703" timestamp="1358278608"] [quote author=usedtobe link=topic=108173.msg1363679#msg1363679 date=1358274829] [quote author=ST413 link=topic=108173.msg1363628#msg1363628 date=1358267622] [quote author=PoppaBearstarr link=topic=108173.msg1363599#msg1363599 date=1358261724] We will see tonight, although I don't give us much of a chance being we only have 3 of the top ten players. That is overwhelming odds to overcome to play a team with 7 of the top 10 players. Good thing there are just opinions on here. Unlike some if we lose I will give props to the winner not excuses. Good luck to my Hawks against overwhelming odds. [/quote] Not overwhelming at all, only 5 play at a time and having at least the two best shooters on the floor is A BIG plus for hj. Besides I didn't rank those top 10 in my opinion,  no telling where those hj players fall into that list.  If having a large numbe if better players guaranteed a win some of these pro teams would never lose.  It's the TEAM that plays best that wins not the player. [/quote] Yeah, Poppa, get outta' here with that BS reverse psychology.  You've been serving that stuff up for too long now. ;D 8) [/quote] I didn't pull the 7 of the 10 best players out of the air...It came from a self proclaimed expert...with all of that said I just don't see how we can win. Only 5 at a time, we have played them plenty of times when it was 8 on 5  ;) . Even the news proclaimed last night in mentioning Silsbee's record but qualified it with them playing a much harder schedule. I'm excited to see how it all comes out. Hopefully we can keep it respectable tonight. [/quote] I am far from one of the self-proclaimed experts on here!!!  Merely stated my opinion,  hard to base to much on having only seen most of those hj players a few times.  Besides listening to all you experts from hj,  those 3 state titles over the last 50 years or so make y'all the big favorite!

[quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="1363599" timestamp="1358261724"] We will see tonight, although I don't give us much of a chance being we only have 3 of the top ten players. That is overwhelming odds to overcome to play a team with 7 of the top 10 players. Good thing there are just opinions on here. Unlike some if we lose I will give props to the winner not excuses. Good luck to my Hawks against overwhelming odds. [/quote] Not overwhelming at all, only 5 play at a time and having at least the two best shooters on the floor is A BIG plus for hj. Besides I didn't rank those top 10 in my opinion,  no telling where those hj players fall into that list.  If having a large numbe if better players guaranteed a win some of these pro teams would never lose.  It's the TEAM that plays best that wins not the player.

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1363570" timestamp="1358254741"] Does this match up seem to lose a little steemnot being a home game? [/quote] I think this is better for all involved but it does take some of the excitement away in losing the small packed gym atmosphere.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1363581" timestamp="1358257574"] [quote author=PoppaBearstarr link=topic=108173.msg1363579#msg1363579 date=1358257314] [quote author=ST413 link=topic=108173.msg1363085#msg1363085 date=1358051549] This one is should be interesting as always.  The Tigers have probably 7 of the top 10 players in the game,  while HJ has the top 2 if not 3 shooters on the floor.  Coaching is about a wash. The big key may be who plays better as a team.  I know at times this year it has seemed that the Tigers  haven't  played near as well in that respect as they did last year.  I also know that their has been rumors on here of some problems in that respect for the Hawks as well, I don't know  if thats true or not.  I do know the Tigers have begun to get better in that respect.  They just need to play good solid defense in this one and not let those shooters have open shots.  Depth from what I have seen is on the side of the Tigers as 10 or 11 players get regular playing time. The few games I saw the Hawks play they only went 7 or 8 deep.  That may have changed by now.  I feel that my Tigers will pull this one out in the end.  Lets just hope for a good game with no injuries. [/quote] why is silsbee only playing 7 of there top ten... [/quote] I think ST413 was stating that Silsbee has 7 of the top 10 players combined with HJ. Meaning of the top 10 players combined, Silsbee has 7, HJ 3. [/quote] Exactly.....,

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1363530" timestamp="1358213638"] Silsbee takes this game.  Seems that H-J had trouble with other athletic teams.  Silsbee has plenty of athletes. [/quote] I hope my Tigers pul this one out. But if HJ has had trouble with other athletic teams,  how did they handle Kountze so easily?

This one is should be interesting as always.  The Tigers have probably 7 of the top 10 players in the game,  while HJ has the top 2 if not 3 shooters on the floor.  Coaching is about a wash. The big key may be who plays better as a team.  I know at times this year it has seemed that the Tigers  haven't  played near as well in that respect as they did last year.  I also know that their has been rumors on here of some problems in that respect for the Hawks as well, I don't know  if thats true or not.  I do know the Tigers have begun to get better in that respect.  They just need to play good solid defense in this one and not let those shooters have open shots.  Depth from what I have seen is on the side of the Tigers as 10 or 11 players get regular playing time. The few games I saw the Hawks play they only went 7 or 8 deep.  That may have changed by now.  I feel that my Tigers will pull this one out in the end.  Lets just hope for a good game with no injuries.

Was wondering how long it would be before someone started this.....

Of course the next time they meet there will only be boys games,  the girls regular season will be over.

[quote name="jkbtjc53" post="1359317" timestamp="1356746982"] Silsbee will be loaded next year. But the game vs WOS will still be a war. Does that amazingnose guard rreturn next year. I think his last name was Adams? [/quote] Yes