badndn

The big question is why did it take 20 games to settle on a starting lineup? Shouldn't that have been accomplished in the 10+ pre SLC games?

Any wonder who will get the bid!!! ::) ::) ::) ::) Where is the SLC office!

I can see that 2-2 split with 20-4A again nxt yr. No clear cut #1 in 20 4A. Livingston will be stout, but that offense will struggle deeper in the playoffs. Central might be a year away from another run to regionals. PNG returns alot, but Doty & Schexneider will be hard to replace. Nederland was young this year, very young and will probably be a year away from big things. Thats my playoff group, but no particular order. Ozen returns the best player, but they have no line and LCM looses Misters everything, Gonzo and Sonnier.

[quote name="ForeverADog" post="965802" timestamp="1297694627"] Also, the college rule about throwing elbows to clear space is an automatic technical fall if done above the shoulders I think. Then refs can go to the monitor to see if it was intentional and can even eject the player. [/quote] New rule this year.  Trying to get the swinging elbows out of the rebound.

[quote name="beechnut" post="965726" timestamp="1297653956"] Todd Graham is a PIG for what he did to Rice. Consented to a new contract then bolted? SCUM [/quote] Just wait he will get the axe in Pitt after a few years. Such is the life of an HC.

[quote name="pngfan66" post="963428" timestamp="1297253157"] [quote author=badndn link=topic=79668.msg962817#msg962817 date=1297184580] [quote author=Scalp'em link=topic=79668.msg962767#msg962767 date=1297180526] PNG, Central, Nederland, Livingston.  PNG will be strong again next year. Alot of good weapons returning from a 3 round deep playoff team=experience! Don't see Ozen in the playoffs, LCM will fall off like Lumberton, and Vidor. WHo knows because there's always the teams that sneak up on people. [/quote] Miller replacing Doty will make for a different passing attack, but the running game will take away some of the sting.  My biggest concern is the big elephant in the room around these parts, the Defense?? A lot of returners in the secondary and at LB, but that group did not play well last year. Will the year of experience help or is it just what it is? The group up front and DJ are gone that could put more pressure on the secondary?? I think Peveto will make plays at LB and Romero looked better late in the year, but they gave up alot of points those last two games! [/quote]Not only do we have the secondary, most of it, returning and some linebackers, we also have Davis who played on the D line and rotated in with THompson and Easley. Players coming up from JV on the D line are good size but very quick, fast and aggressive. Some of these boys will grow alot over the next year. I think our D will be very good next year. [/quote] I hear what your saying, but returning a defense that wasn't very good last year is not something that makes you warm and fuzzy. They still have a lot to proove. Hopefully the year of experience makes them better, but pinning your season on hope is rough.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="962758" timestamp="1297179226"]I love your breakdown here.  I need to set with you at a game!  We'll get along fine!   ;D ;D [/quote] Anytime my friend, Anytime. I thought about trying to find you at the Central/Humble game, but it got so cold, I didn't want to move much! If Washington loosens the rains on Mitchell and lets him run some more, Central could have a big run. FWood looses Metzhold, Dawson will take a step back, Angleton will drop back, Humble looks tuff. Big school region 3 could be up for the taking this year? Unfortunately I don't see Washington changing his stripes. As for DII...As much as it pains me to say it, It's all LaMarque! Even Brenham won't get past the Coogs. I think we will see an Aledo/Lamarque rematch. Probably withe the same outcome.

[quote name="Scalp'em" post="962767" timestamp="1297180526"] PNG, Central, Nederland, Livingston.  PNG will be strong again next year. Alot of good weapons returning from a 3 round deep playoff team=experience! Don't see Ozen in the playoffs, LCM will fall off like Lumberton, and Vidor. WHo knows because there's always the teams that sneak up on people. [/quote] Miller replacing Doty will make for a different passing attack, but the running game will take away some of the sting.  My biggest concern is the big elephant in the room around these parts, the Defense?? A lot of returners in the secondary and at LB, but that group did not play well last year. Will the year of experience help or is it just what it is? The group up front and DJ are gone that could put more pressure on the secondary?? I think Peveto will make plays at LB and Romero looked better late in the year, but they gave up alot of points those last two games!

[quote name="bearfan14" post="962454" timestamp="1297113089"] 1. Central(2) 2. Livingston(1) 3. PNG 4. LCM 5. Vidor 6. Ozen 7. Nederland 8. Lumberton huge battle between 3-7, but this district is wide open. anybody can win on any given night. all teams lost a lot of players with the exception of livingston. [b]lcm returns a lot of offense[/b], vidor returns a lot of defense. that's my opinion. [/quote] Who?  LCM looses 90% of it's offense with Gonzo and Sonnier! I think the top three are correct, but Nederland will be #4 in that mix. Not necessarily 4th, but top 4. Ozen has talent, but they always do!!! Vidor is back to being Vidor as is Lumberton (notice how quiet it has been the past few years from up north!  ::) ).  And as I stated before the Bears are loosing it's 1-2 punch! If I had to rank 'em today. 1. Livingston (Can win the district, but will struggle to win in the playoffs due to the system) 2. Central (Mitchell takes the next step) 3. PNG (New signal caller, but great weapons at his disposal and this coming Senior group won a lot coming up through the ranks) 4. Nederland (Young QB got his feet wet last year and they had a lot of Soph's step up last year...Good 2013 class means a year away from a DC) 5. Ozen (Talent alone gets 'em close) 6. LCM (Crouch gets 'em close) 7. Vidor (Mathews gets 'em close...to the bottom) 8. Lumberton (Got some good youth programs, but a few years away) I don't see a standout in this district that will compete for a State Title. 

[quote name="PNGFan" post="962540" timestamp="1297127658"] Remember this name from PNG............Spencer Womack, kid is small but has the knack running and catching the ball. [/quote] This will be the next Slot receiver at PNG, ala Jalali and Reyenga before him.

[quote name="PNGFan" post="962158" timestamp="1297045732"] There is a new walking track and football field at the PN Junior High everyone can use. [/quote] I wish they would resurface the track at Groves MS. That old crushed brick sux!!!

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="962026" timestamp="1297020164"] Whoever Green throws to... [/quote] We have a winner!!!! Along with the obvious - Nelson PNG Harmon LCM Of course these two will probably see reduced numbers with new QBs. Not everyday a Doty or Gonzales comes along!

Yelling at a player for making a mistake is fine. No problem with that. Bob Knight was a master at it. Problem is Rocaforte yanks the kid out of the game yells at him, then the kid doesn't play again for three games. You make a mistake you need to get right back on the court to get passed it. Roc dwells on it for weeks. Every player that has ever played for him at LU has been in his "Dog House". Time to start realizing that it aint the "Dogs", but the Kennel Owner that's the problem. I got no problem not going to LU BB games next year if Roc is at the helm. His ego is large enough it will fill all the empty seats!

[quote name="BOBCAT" post="960935" timestamp="1296795296"] Looks like Woodard would like to persuade some of that WOS talent to play for BIG RED ! [/quote] Funny thing is he signed just as many Nederland players as WOS players this year!

[quote name="outanup" post="960828" timestamp="1296781085"] Ned, Central, PNG, Livingston. In no particular order.... [/quote] BINGO! Like a broken record year after year!

Is this the same solid source that said "FORD TO LU"  ::)

[quote name="lefty3162" post="960901" timestamp="1296790175"] So if We quit going to games what message are We sending? We don't like Roc or We don't like players, We don't like Lamar or We don't like the way Tidwell is responding to our complaints? so lets just take our ball and go home. [/quote] All of the above!!!! It's my money I'll spend it how I want to!

Alfred, Breed & Schexneider...TVCC just sucked up 3/4 of the WRS award Defensive finalists.  Thats a pretty solid trio on defense!

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="960529" timestamp="1296746552"] [quote author=badndn link=topic=79711.msg960457#msg960457 date=1296740685] [quote author=bigredfan2 link=topic=79711.msg960415#msg960415 date=1296709646] Another disappointing loss.  Chances to win numerous times.  But got out coached, definitely.  No defense when we needed it.  They shot or drove the basket at will.  Another thing that was glaring was some very bad refs. Just my opinion...just saying...they used the replay to check the final shot, but I would like to see the out of bounds play under our basket.  I thought it was out of bounds on them and we should had the ball. [/quote] I wouldn't say that it was bad officiating as far as the calls go since it was pretty even, but I thought they called two seperate games. First half let 'em play, second half called everything. Had nothing to do with the loss. You go up 12 with a group on the court, take 'em out then loose the lead and that group sits until late in the game, even then only coming in for a about a minute? I'm done. Won't be going to the remainder of the home games and will not re-purchase my season tix next year if Rocaforte is back! He had his shot and failed miserably. [b]Best recruiter in the country[/b]...Worst coach! [/quote] Only reason ROC ever got dubbed "Best Recruiter" was because he was an assistant to Calipari at Memphis and I am sure they were doing some shady stuff.........now he is at a Southland school and cannot use the Calipari name, the Memphis school and do crap under the table.  All that shows is that I could have recruited those kids to Memphis as he did!!!!! ;D ;D [/quote] The talent level has been an upgrade. I have to give Rocaforte credit for the level of athlete he has brought in. Problem has been once they get here he breaks their will and can't put them in a position to win! Some of the plaers he has recruited that we had not had in years before: Lamar Sanders James Davis (left early) Darren Hopkins Kenny Dawkins Jay Nabors Devon Lamb (love his energy) Mike James (Talented, but plays a little outta control) I counted 7 different guys that have scored 20+ points in a game this year for LU. I doubt that many teams in the country can say that. We have the talent!

[quote name="bigredfan2" post="960415" timestamp="1296709646"] Another disappointing loss.  Chances to win numerous times.  But got out coached, definitely.  No defense when we needed it.  They shot or drove the basket at will.  Another thing that was glaring was some very bad refs. Just my opinion...just saying...they used the replay to check the final shot, but I would like to see the out of bounds play under our basket.  I thought it was out of bounds on them and we should had the ball. [/quote] I wouldn't say that it was bad officiating as far as the calls go since it was pretty even, but I thought they called two seperate games. First half let 'em play, second half called everything. Had nothing to do with the loss. You go up 12 with a group on the court, take 'em out then loose the lead and that group sits until late in the game, even then only coming in for a about a minute? I'm done. Won't be going to the remainder of the home games and will not re-purchase my season tix next year if Rocaforte is back! He had his shot and failed miserably. Best recruiter in the country...Worst coach!

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="957043" timestamp="1296277633"]They r kids! If the fans acted that way and made fun of the kids, then shame on them. But I think it was the students (as U mentioned) who were inappropriate.  Welcome to a Ned/PN-G matchup. It's been like this for what 40 yrs?? [/quote] Same can be said about the "Fagot" comment by the PNG "KID" which is what started this all. Remember a Dog fan lumped all PNG fans in as "SORE LOOSERS" because of one kid. I agree with you, kids do stupid stuff all the time! And no Ned/PNG matchups have not been like this for 40 years...This may have been the first time ever that a PNG/Ned basketball game was relevent in the SE TX basketball scene. ;D [quote author=Nederland B-Dog Fan link=topic=79456.msg957056#msg957056 date=1296278347] Congrats dogs for the victory! I didn't hear what PNG fans said about our freshman but I was sitting next to our student section and they just chanted "West is Best" not Indianettes suck. Nederland vs PNG never seens to dissapoint in any sport [/quote] My daughter is an Indianette. She told me that they didn't chant it, but  many of them said it while they lined up.

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="957014" timestamp="1296276085"]Wow! Sounds like someone's a sore loser. If PN-G would have won I bet U would not have mentioned that?? It WAS a great game, but let's not overshadow what happened by talking about what the kids did in the stands. How about let's stay focused on the kids on the floor?? [/quote] Wrong. Not a sore looser at all, the better team won. Nederland made big shots down the stretch, PNG didn't. Nothing to be sore about. Hade zero intentions of mentioning it until Nederland fans began calling PNG fans sore loosers. There is such a thing as a SORE WINNER. I got friends from Nederland who said the same thing about the end of the game antics by the students.

[quote name="Basketball 2016" post="957006" timestamp="1296275794"] Wow!!!! What a great high school basketball game!! It doesn't get any better than that!!! Well....I mean if your a bulldog fan!!!! [/quote] Nah, I'm a PNG fan and I would agree. The behind the back pass from the Nederland PG to Smith who made a nice move to the basket early was very nice. Pelligrin from PNG impressed the hell outta me tonight!

After seeing them tonight, an emphatic NO!!!! Good team, not great. Great teams win state! Name the last good team to win state in Basketball.

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="956998" timestamp="1296275238"] [quote author=ShlyKBMT link=topic=79456.msg956946#msg956946 date=1296272512] Never right to call anybody that. But Ned used to chant that at Brandon Arceneaux back when I was in high school. Great game. I hate there's no shot clock in HS ball but PN-G did the right thing by staying back they just didn't box out. Dogs keep finding ways to win period. [/quote] WRONG!!! That was the worst coaching job i've seen in a while. Why would u wait to let the other team have the last shot? At worse, Ned scores, take the ball down and score urself or kill a 3 ball for the 'W'. Did they really just stand there for 90 secs and wait for Ned to attack? WOW!!! [/quote] Yes they did...I agree, you gotta force the action!