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Don't get offended, it's an opinion!!! More PNG Offense, Less PNG Defense! Defense was tuff for me, becuase from what I saw at PNG games, no defense was very good (we scored alot on everyone). Also went with 2 RB and 3 WR on offense for 13 and 4 DLine, 4 LB for 12 all due to different schemes. [b]2010 District 20-4A All-District Picks[/b] MVP: Trevin Sonnier, 5’9” 165 lb, Sr., Nederland Offensive MVP: Brennan Doty, 6’2", 180 lb., Sr., Port Neches-Groves Defensive MVP: Kewan Alfred, 6’2", 225 lb., Sr., Beaumont Central Newcomer of the Year: Robert Mitchell, 6’, 180 lb., So., Beaumont Central Coach Of the Year: Larry Neuman, Nederland 1st Team Offense Pos.     Name     School QB Hunter Gonzales Little Cypress-Mauriceville RB Damon Heard Beaumont Central RB Chase Bertrand Port Neches-Groves FB Brenton Clark Vidor REC Zack Sonnier Little Cypress-Mauriceville REC Jayce Nelson Port Neches-Groves REC Amir Jalali Port Neches-Groves TE Gene Cross Beaumont Central T Greg Lunceford Port Neches-Groves T Abel Gonzalez Livingston G Cole Galloway Livingston G Gabe Langlois Port Neches-Groves C Joe Reed     Vidor UTIL Keyione  Blackman Beaumont Ozen K Samuel Lavador Beaumont Central 1st Team Defense Pos.     Name     School DE Ryan McClain Livingston DE Corbin Carr Nederland DT Ryan Davis Beaumont Central DT Arthur Phillips Beaumont Central ILB Blake Burman Livingston ILB D.J. Schexnider Port Neches-Groves OLB Shaquille Leday Beaumont Central OLB Elliot Brown Beaumont Central CB Xavier Zenn Beaumont Ozen CB Quinton Cantue Beaumont Central S Preston Haynes Beaumont Central S Zac Blanchard Little Cypress-Mauriceville

With Keyser comming in as a 6'9" Freshman and Roc only needing one additional recruit next year, I am hoping he is able to get one of the top JUCO big men. This current group would be very good with a T. Fairley or N. Beard type big man.

[quote name="geezer" post="922435" timestamp="1291078507"] I would have preferred to see the Big 12 go after TCU as a replacement for Nebraska or Colorado [/quote] Ditto. Kinda shocked. TCU to the Big East?? Just dont seam right. I was really hoping that TCU to the Big 12 and a strong push to get Arkansas back. North          South Kansas        Texas KState          A&M Mizzou          Tech ISU              Ark OU              TCU OSU            Baylor

[quote name="akifan94" post="922240" timestamp="1291064223"] I see us running the ball more next year with Miller. He is bigger than Doty and has a strong arm I am just not sure about his accuracy and instincts. [/quote] Miller is more of a running threat than Doty. Very smart kid (#1 in his class last I heard). He does not have the arm that Doty had, but few do, he can sling it though. I suspect we will see more designed QB Draws and some Spread Option, but PNG will still throw the ball regularly. [quote author=kicker link=topic=76703.msg922223#msg922223 date=1291063435] The one thing that i am excited to see is how little jimmy Salter will mature as a QB. Being only a Sophomore, he was forced into a situation that noone would ever want to be in. Yet, he showed tremendous poise and maturity for his age. The experience and adversity that he went through this season is priceless when it comes to experience. We know he will grow physicaly, but also know that he will grow mentally. The next few seasons will be fun to watch. He is going to be a good one, mark my words. ;) [/quote] I have heard about Salter for a couple of seasons now, but what I hear is that WOS is set bigtime at QB the next 4 years. Freshman kid next year may even push him some in 2012. Nice problem to have! ;)

[quote name="RHBoiler" post="921989" timestamp="1291049936"] Manvel puts some of its 3rd and 4th string players in with the score 56-21 midway through the 4th, resulting in a safety, [b]PNG having good field position from the ensuing kick, and converting that to a quick TD[/b]. That swung the momentum enough to make the game appear close. [/quote] Call up fatmaverick and see if you can get your hands on the video, then you will find out that PNG did not score on the next possesion after the Safety. We threw a pick!!! We scored later after we forced a fumble. Let's move on PNG fans...We had a great season...Our boys aren't perfect...They make mistakes just like the kids from Manvel did...They are 16, 17 & 18 years old...The only thing that bothers me is when I see a kid comit a stupid PF and stay on the field. Any coach worth a poop will take the kid out immediately to get his point across. At least for a few plays. Faircloth did this with Thompson Saturday night and he has done it with both DJ and Doty this season. Manvels coach did it a few times as well with some players. Now Willis' coach seemed to be egging it on!

[quote name="cooligan" post="922346" timestamp="1291070761"] This just In:   20-4a All District 1st Team Offense:                     QB - PNG'S, RB's - PNG'S, OL - PNG'S, WR's - PNG'S                     MVP - PNG'S Defense for forcing the offense to score all                                 those points and making everybody look so good                               with the extra opportunities.                     Coach of the Nation goes to Faircloth                     [b]Did we leave anyone out?[/b]  ::) [/quote] Yes our kicker was awesome and the waterboys/girls were way faster than any other teams in the district!!! In all seriousness, it ain't hard to argue that the list is flawed! >My pick for MVP would have been T. Sonnier, because he actually led his team into the playoffs! >I also would have picked Neuman as COY. Another great job for what they were delt. Explain to me again what it was that Crouch did to deserve this?? Maybe a nice guy and all, and maybe LCM had a better year, but they didn't make the playoffs...Again! If having a better year where the criteria, then Livingstons coach actually made better progress from last season than Crouch since they made the playoffs going 7-3 after 4-6 last year (identical to LCM). >And anyone that argues that Nelson is not 1st team WR is out of their mind. This is not me being a Homer. I would have said the same thing had LCM's Sonnier not made the 1st team. >I also have issues with Langois not 1st team OL. >On the flip side I am suprised that Thompson and Easly made 1st team. As bad as our Defense was this year I really only expected DJ to make it. He had MVP numbers, but I got no problem with Alfred as D-MVP. He was deserving as well and on a better overall defense (except that one night in November  ;D). Just calling it like I see it.

The Freshman was Coy. He moved up for the playoffs, but never actually saw the field.

[quote name="AggiesWeAreNot" post="921733" timestamp="1291001957"] [quote author=Versey Ledbetter link=topic=76698.msg921054#msg921054 date=1290919760] Really???  Aren't we past the race thing?  [/quote]  Are you serious?!  You must live in an all white town.  Move to beaumont and you will see Tthat the "race thing" is alive and well.  Now if you agree that blacks should receive preferential treatment in every facet of life then you will get along just fine with our black race mongers (carol thomas, paul brown, bo alfred, howard graham, oveal whitaker, terry williams, jessie haynes, etc) [/quote] For the record...This guy isn't from PNG! He appears to be from Beaumont.

[quote name="fatmaverick" post="921836" timestamp="1291035067"] I've been watching the Mavericks all year and this hasn't been a season of dirty football, late hits etc... We have kept our composure and played very well.  They are lead by one of the best Christian coaches you can find anywhere.  He has touched these kids life with simply being fair.  My son came to Manvel from another powerful 24-4A school and we felt at home immediatedly.  I'm proud of the Mavericks, the staff, the band, the spirit that's came alive around here.  But honestly we came to win a football game not a popularity contest.  PNG kids realized that this will not be an easy game and start wining to officials begging for calls etc... Just watch the film!  Mavericks showed up to win, not to be intimidated by the PNG players nor the mass following sitting in the stands.  Now quit complaining and come route for the Mavericks against LaMarque.  You are welcomed to wear purple!     [/quote] Again I ask have you "Watched the film?" ::) I love the fact that because our team is predominantly white, we are racist! ::) I would consider that a racial slur in itself!!!

UT by alot! We play no defense, they do. Well. UT 52 LU 36 HALFTIME UT 102 LU 64 FINAL

[quote name="GoDogs27" post="921688" timestamp="1290998615"] [quote author=NDNTime link=topic=76698.msg921611#msg921611 date=1290992979] [quote author=GoDogs27 link=topic=76698.msg921563#msg921563 date=1290988939] I swear PNG fans have on blinders. Any game I go to, I can find bad calls, no calls, 'dirty plays' etc.. One of the offensive lineman for PNG was playing dirty every play at the nederland game and never got called for it.. Its just football.. This is the reason i don't go to png games when they are in the playoffs.. png fans should be proud of where they got to considering how the season started.. Quit whining.. You're just making yourself and the entire PNG fan base confirm what so many of us already know... [/quote] Seeing as you are a bulldog fan and talking about how a lineman played at the PNG/Ned game, you might have had on a few blinders as well.  It is easy to have on blinders when you are watching your own team. Anyways, we are proud of the way our team played this year, coming back from such an adverse beginning to the season.  Looking forward to 2011. [/quote] You explained my point perfectly even though you don't even realize you did... You look for the other team to play dirty but you have selective vision. If PNG loses a close game, then the other team cheated, or they played dirty, or the refs were terrible. Its never that they got beat by a better team.. I'm not saying all PNG fans are like that. I have personal friends who support PNG and will admit when the team gets outplayed or outcoached.. But regardless.. You made my point.. [/quote] Go back over all of the posts in this thread and find one were an Indian fan said that the chippy play or anything other than the fact that Manvel was a better team is the reason PNG lost last night. You won't find it! We all admited right off the bat that they were a deeper more talented group. Also you will notice that many of the PNG faithful realized that our team did some stuff last night that we all would like not to see again. We took some shots as well. Both teams got chippy, just so happens Manvel got caught more.

It all starts up front. This is were PNG will have the biggest challenge in replacing. If you can believe it PNG may actually big bigger up front on offense with Nicotre (6'2 260) Reasons (6'4" 270) Stasinos (6'5" 250), not sure who will fill in the other two spots, but those three are big. The losses will be tuff because they were key leaders like Lunceford and Langois on the OL and Easley, Thompson and Schexneider on D. And anytime you have to replace a record setting QB like Doty, it's tough! Returning players *2010 Starters: 8 (3 Offense - 5 Defense) ** 2010 Significant PT: 6 (3 Offense - 3 Defense) WR *Nelson - WR **Lacour - OT *Nicotre - OG Reasons - C ?? - OG ?? - OT **Stasinos - HB **Hanks - WR ??                                                                      QB Miller - RB *Bertrand CB **Hollier - DE *Davis - DT ?? - DE **Grantham - CB ?? OLB *Louviere - MLB ?? - S/LB *Peveto - OLB **Segler                    S *Sperl - S *Romero

Got no problem with the Manvel battle cry. I mean really PNG folks, we yell "Scalp 'Em Indians, Scalp 'Em". And we love it! It's just a battle cry! Let's not be hypocrites. Our team lost to a better, deeper team, that has some discipline issues that will eventual cost them when they play a team that makes them pay for it. We let our emotions get the best of us last night a few times as well and it cost us. Remember folks, Defense wins Championships and neither team last night was very good defensively. LaMarque is very good on defense. I see a LaMarque W and yet another LaMarque state title game. Not bad for one of the smallest 4A schools in Tx.

Without a doubt one of the tops. If they get two in the title, then yes the best, but honestly they kinda got a wash in round 2. HTown football is pathetic. District 25 would get my knod as best. LT is the 4A king and CP already beat 'em once. Now they matchup again in the QF. Should be a good one. I see LaMarque beating Manvel and Callalen/Beorne and making the title game though. FWood on the other hand has a tuffer road and I don't see them getting to the title through Montgomery, then the LT/CP winner.

You watched the film?  ::)

Congrats to the Alvin Manvel Mavericks. they were the better team. Good Luck to Alvin going forward. To fatmav, the PF calls were not "bogus" on either side. The officiating crew actually called a very good game and I believe it was back to back PF calls on a PNG defender that was the swing in this game. For the first time all night PNG had pinned the Mavs back next to their own goal line on the opening kickoff of the second half and had made a couple of good plays on 1st and 2nd downs, when we made a couple of critical mistakes and Manvel took control of the game for the next 12 minutes. As far as pulling all the starters early, your coach did pull his starting QB for two plays, but #9 the TB that was tackled for the safety was in and out of the game all night. He was not some 4th string kid that never plays, and the starting O-Line was still in the game. Manvel was able to pull a PNG on us last night with it's depth. We tend to have better quality depth than most teams we play because we have large numbers in our porgram for a school with 1400 students. Last night Manvel was able to subtitute in and out all night and not skip a beat which helped to wear us down in the third Q. Gotta a little life in the fourth. Proud of our Young Men and our coaching staff. Gave us all another great year of exciting football and tons of memories. Couldn't ask for more.

[quote name="fatdaddy" post="916600" timestamp="1290453292"] Manvel is just too solid all around. Athletes everywhere, good coaching and battle tested in district 24-4A. [b]I know match ups often dictate games, but seeing what our 6th place team, Texas City, did to PNG earlier in the year, Manvel is too much.[/b]    Manvel 35- PNG 28 [/quote] Yep, we lost to TC and the side judge!!! Worst single official I have ever seen. Go back and read the PNG TC threads. TC's game winning FG was aided by two fantom Pass Interference calls with less than 30 seconds in the game. Central beat the hell outta Livingston and we lost to Livingston by 2. Beat Central by a bunch though. So go figure. Hopefully this will turn out the same. This will be a very good game. May be another last one standing game.

[quote name="HUM398" post="916576" timestamp="1290451541"] dude....im not being serious.   This was a comment that was made about Humble this past friday.  i was merely interjecting as was done to our thread. [/quote] I made the comment that the best team did not win Friday Night...Let me clarify, line these two teams up again and again and again (Central and Humble) and give Central Humbles coaches and Central wins again and again and again. Centrals coaching staff did not take advantage of Humbles weaknesses. As for Saturday night, both coaches took advantage of the others weaknesses and the better team won. There was no real "aha, that was a poor coaching decision" moment. Also to the PNG fan that complained about what you called an illegal forward lateral for the TD by Willis, this was not an illegal forward lateral, just dumb luck and it happened to occur two plays after the dumb luck catch after a batted pass. The play was legal. By rule a fumble can be advanced by a player other than the one who fumbled on 1st through 3rd downs. Only on 4th down is it illegal for obvious reasons (not wanting people to fumble on purpose if they wont make the line to gain). The fact that the fumbled ball never hit the ground doesn't constitute it being a lateral since he was not throwing the ball, it was stripped. Just unlucky on our part!

One of the toughest districts in the state...It stinks that they get HTown walkthrough in round 2 each year. Of course they usually have a pretty tuff round 1 matchup with the Angleton, El Campo, Lamar Consolidated, Bay City group. As far as 24-4A vs 20-4A pre-district matchups, we usually do have in some way. PNG vs TC, Central vs Ball, Nederland usually plays FWood and we have both played Lamarque pre-District in the recent past.

[quote name="bigtime409" post="916126" timestamp="1290392398"] so the PNG Indian dancer gets to dance on the field, all the way to 50 yard line, yet this thread was started because Willis ran out to the middle of the field fired up to play a football game. what's the argument? come on man... [/quote] The Indian Spirit Dances on our side of the field only and directs every thing toward our fan base. I can tell you have been to very few PNG games. The point being made is that when you show no respect for your opponent, you stand a good chance in loosing due to lack of focus. You tend to do stupid things that cost you. Last night was proof!!!

[quote name="tabasco" post="916113" timestamp="1290391830"] Thought the Willis' train they would do when they kicked off was really cool. [/quote] If they hadn't have stolen it from Brenham who was in their district last year, it may have been cool.

I got no problem with the midfield pregame gathering. Iy was the taunting that was disrespectful. The key for me was that it didn't stop there. It spilled over onto the field with several late hits and cheepshots. Those are things that a coaching staff can and should have stopped before playoff time when it can really hurt you as it did on our last drive when a Willis kid took a swing at one of ours after being pancaked (legally). That was a costly 15 yards in our game clinching TD Drive. Had the Willis staff stopped this early it wouldn't have happened in a crucial time of the game. PNG versus Vidor got a little chippy and Doty did some taunting after a TD. Coaches pulled them all to the side and put an end to it sternly. Havent seen it since.

[quote name="ForeverADog" post="915550" timestamp="1290359802"] First game was actually scheduled for 2PM saturday but was moved to Friday because of the football game. And the game couldn't have been scheduled for Thursday because the first day of the season was that Friday. [/quote] Others played before that Friday,maybe not any Southland teams

If this team wins 2 outta 3 this season then they will have won 20 games and finished 11-5 in conference with all these returners next year. I'll take it. They didnt shoot well yesterday against a pretty good team and still had a chance to win. I like their odds of winning 20+ as they should improve as the season progresses. Really looking forward to seeing James. When is his debut?

[quote name="AggiesWeAreNot" post="915480" timestamp="1290354496"] [quote author=puddin tane link=topic=76412.msg914608#msg914608 date=1290289089] all the talk about FBS..moving to the WAC or  the Sunbelt...take away the 4 teams that are jumping the sinking WAC ship.....[b]none[/b] of the other teams in either conference has a winning record... if we were to ever move, I'd prefer the Sunbelt,  cuz of the cajuns...but these 2 conferences suck! [/quote] agreed.  Plus we need fan support.  [b]the last 2 games attendance was disappointing.[/b]  the two wins at the end of this season should set us up with a lot of momentum heading into next year. [/quote] WB, PAM and PNG playoff games had alot to do with this. Like I've said before, like it or not, but SETX HS Football is King and will allways take precedents over LU Football, but you can't schedule LU football around HS Football so it is what it is. As far as LU basketball, I have to say that Roc could schedule early season BB home games around HS football. Not sure why he would schedule the home opener on a Friday Night??? Easily could have scheduled it on Thursday