CraigS

[quote name="Coach27" post="997321" timestamp="1302799231"] Kids should play high school sports first. period!  that only time that they have to play high school sports is in high school... there are thousands of clubs for every age out there!!!!!!  they can play any sport until they are 100 years old!! there are only 4 years to play high school ball........ 4 years in an entire lifetime!!!!!!!! SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL HIGH SCHOOLS!!!! [/quote] Really....is that kinda like the only time they can play college sports is in college....I think so.....so for those who have bigger dreams and higher goals...and want more memories....play select so that that dream can come true....I never said DON'T play HS....I'm just saying for those who want more...stay on track and stay with what got you there in the first place.

K. Soignet just wone Area in Zavala at 5-6"...to advance to regionals (also a new personal best)

[quote name="Kris_Gilmore" post="996699" timestamp="1302666986"] Again not a clue I tried to tell you that junior olympics is not important. I worked 2 years with Baylor track and field as a grad assist and have been around the recruiting process.  Coaches could care less if you were national junior olympic champion they mainly care about time, distance, or height.  Though Baylor is not a big recruiter of foreign athletes they have had a few over the past few years.  Foreign recruiting increases the percents dramatically take for instance Lamar Univeristy has around 26 on their womens roster with 6 or 7 not from the US and I am willing to bet they didn't come to Beaumont, TX for free.  I ran track and field at McNeese and at one time while I was there I was one of two athletes out of 15 distance runners from the U.S.  Now besides watching a few softball games in college and at the high school I coach at maybe I am clueless and there is a huge recruiting draw from south america or maybe canada.  I am willing to bet that at the college softball world series there were less than 5 athletes from all 8 teams combined from another country.  There are probably 10 foreign athletes just in the womens 10K at the National Track Meet. Softball Roster according to you 25 with 12 on scholarship about 50 % Track and Field 60 with 18 scholarships less than 33 % The truth is no matter the sport its not easy to get a scholarship.  Either one of us could state statistics to make it look like we are right.  For instance do all track and field rosters have 60, NO they don't. [/quote] 1) the more a kid competes and trains the better they will be....if a kid just participated during the HS SEASON IN ANY SPORT...they are not going to be as good as a kid of equal talent that competes and trains all year.....hence the numbers as you put it will be better for those "select" athletes...therefore id say the college coaches would care. 2) you are the one who brought up stats....and I noticed you left out the one that shows how many more colleges have track & field compared to those who have softball....still giving the overall participants that you stated more opportunities..... 3) we learned more from a Junior in HS that intoduced us to (club track) because he participates...in 2 weeks than we did in 2 yrs from HS track....she increased her numbers in HJ by 4" in the last 3 meets......explain please 4) there is a school for every player (with any talent at all) if they are willing to travel outside of their region...participate at any level from JUCO to Di,... Now if your experience is diiferent than that so be it.....it doesn't change the facts. On the otherhand....I am not belittling any sport or athlete....just saying more opportunity...besides that YOU are the one who brought up scholarships....I said opportunity...only about 100K more participants throughout the contry....twice the team numbers...and a lot more scools offer girls track than offer softball Bend it how you want...YOUR numbers along with my knowledge of how few schools offer softball PROVES my point...even if you want to continue to argue.

Not to mention that id venture to say more schools have track programs than softball....a few schools I know of that do not have softball but does have track USC SMU Rice Lamar Colorado Tulane

[quote name="Kris_Gilmore" post="996334" timestamp="1302636504"] Did you really just say select level compared to Junior Olympics?  No offense but IMO and most HS track coaches summer track is really only beneficial to young athletes and field events.  From a distance coach standpoint I am highly against summer track.  This year we have 3 runners who have signed scholarships to Lamar, McNeese, and UTSA and not one of them has run summer track in the last 6 years.  Softball has 25 on their roster at the college level, whereas  the womens program at Texas A & M Track and Field(Numerous National championships over the last few years)  has 59 on roster just counted.  IT is difficult to get a scholarship no matter the sport.  You also probably don't realize this, but schools like Woodlands and Kingwood have over 70 girls on their high school cross country team. Also, no offense to your daughter and softball, but last time I checked kids in the United States who play softball don't have to worry about recruiting of foreign athletes.  Have you looked at a college track and field roster lately? This link will blow your mind when it comes to high school sport participation.  Even after seeing this you will still come up with some reasoning on how I am wrong.  Good luck. [Hidden Content] For those of you who cant see the link: Participants (Female sports) 1. Track and Field (Outdoor) 457,732 2. Basketball 444,809 3. Volleyball 404,243 4. Softball, Fast Pitch 368,921 5. Soccer 344,534 6. Cross Country 198,199 7. Tennis 177,593 8. Swimming and Diving 158,878 9. Competitive Spirit Squads 117,793 10. Golf 69,223 [/quote] Yes I did....per the website USA junior Olympic track & field....as compared to ASA Gold Junior olympic softball....maybe the websites lie.......or you know better... Per your numbers it proves my point...a higher percent of kids get track opportunities than do softball.....track participants are only 20% higher...yet they have 60% more participants....the math is based on YOUR numbers. Congrats to BC and Dayton's AD's...but a 2 day clinic hardly compares to a week long coaches clinic that football coaches attend.....however I do recognize those AD's for their effort...whereas another AD in the are told theirs schools soccer coach when asked to attend a clinic...to buy a book....to my knowledge the others don't bother asking.

[quote name="Kris_Gilmore" post="996236" timestamp="1302620651"] Craig S you might know a lot about softball but don't even have a clue about cross country and track and field.  Don't make a reference about a lot less kids run cross country so it would be easier to get a scholarship.  In the state of Texas more kids on girls side play basketball and track and field than any other sport last time I checked.  They don't give cross country scholarships, they are track and field scholarships.  A university has to field an entire cross country and track and field team with 12.6 scholarships on men's side and 18 on women's.  A track team is ALOT larger than a softball team. Just a little FYI. I know a girl who signed with a BIG XII school for track and field/cross country who is a TOP 5 runner in her event in the state of texas and signed for a books scholarship. [/quote] You see...I can make that comment...because my kid also participates in track with pretty dang good numbers even as a Soph....more than likely could go to college doing it.....SHE chooses softball. By percentage of girls who play softball at a select level compared to Junior Olympic tract (which she will probably also do this winter) is much higher. And based on the 18 scholarships you mentioned compared to only 12 in softball....with up to 25 players on a roster.....most have 20....the percentage of kids who make it to college as softball players on scholarship are lower than that of those who seek T&F scholarships.... Back on topic then.....if it were an honest mistake.....all the more reason for her to commit to the sport she loves more......unknowing to her or her family (whether they should have know is irrelevant....she didn't) one of the teams was going to have to compete without her.....she committed to both....so she chose her love......good for her and her parents for supporting HER decision. Back off topic....don't really care if wins and loses matter to their job (and my kid may actually be a coach one day)....all the more reason to work WITH these kids to have them representing the school as often as POSSIBLE....which would help their record more than if they didn't let the kid play at all....which is what they get when they make them choose. And you are correct...doesn't seem either of us will sway from our beliefs.....but its still fun to express ones opinion and TRY to change your mind....lol

[quote name="Riding Solo" post="996103" timestamp="1302578168"] [quote author=Craig S link=topic=82947.msg996092#msg996092 date=1302577033] You're the one that brought up Cody Trahan.....most of those girls played on the same pathetic good for nothing...do no good for the kids select team. The colleges connected to those kids are the likes of LSU...Alabama...ole Miss...McNeese..ULL...Sam Houston...New Mexico State....Ok State...that doesn't count the ones playing now....like mentioned before 27 from GT Shockers alone....plus however many more from other local select teams...from JUCO to DI. Not dilusional at all.....we live it everyday....in fact we have practices every some often during the season to keep the kids from falling to far behind...as we only have so much time to get them ready for the summer....when the real games begin. [/quote] Again never said select is a bad thing but have seen the down side of it. Keep living the dream man. Hope it works out for you. It is about you. Buy the way no kid you mentioned Is like Cody. Not yet anyway. It is a goal to encourage our young people to strive for. [/quote] As mentioned, I played college baseball, my dream has already been lived. It's all about me helping my kid live her dream. Why is it always ASSUMED that its the parents living through their kid when kids go beyond the comprehension of some in their work ethics. I've known Cody and her family for a while now, In fact spent time with them at LSU Sunday. I would venture to say even they would agree that not just ONE, but SEVERAL of those girls mentioned "IS like Cody" and yes yet anyway, because they to have completed their college careers. I think you need to look at your kids path as the exception, if she walked on, and got a scholarship, rather than the rule. Other things to be considered, what sport (for example alot less kids run CC, so that would be easier to achieve by %) and also what size school did that occur. I'm not taking away from the accomplishment....just stating there is a BIG difference in JUCO and DI, obviously. then there is even a BIG difference between Lamar PA and say Navarro in the JUCO, or LSU and McNeese....etc Not taking away from kids who play at any level above HS....just HOW big their dreams are may have yet another level at which they must compete and train.

You're the one that brought up Cody Trahan.....most of those girls played on the same pathetic good for nothing...do no good for the kids select team. The colleges connected to those kids are the likes of LSU...Alabama...ole Miss...McNeese..ULL...Sam Houston...New Mexico State....Ok State...that doesn't count the ones playing now....like mentioned before 27 from GT Shockers alone....plus however many more from other local select teams...from JUCO to DI. Not dilusional at all.....we live it everyday....in fact we have practices every some often during the season to keep the kids from falling to far behind...as we only have so much time to get them ready for the summer....when the real games begin.

[quote name="Riding Solo" post="995999" timestamp="1302570404"] The established 5A programs would chew up any 14U team. We are talking about 18 year olds vs 14 years olds. Come on man!!!! I think you missed Aggie’s point. I agree several girls in the golden triangle have gone on to play at the next level but when was the last one that went division 1? Someone correct me if I am wrong but I think it was Cody Trahan from LCM. Parents put way too much pressure on their kids to excel in sports these days. Select started out as a good thing but now we live in the “ME” generation.  Yes, the select kids play to win but when the lights go off to the parents and the kids because the parents have made them that way, it is all about “ME”.  Never pushed my kids, they were self-motivated in sports. At 14 years old kids are still motivated. Write me in 4 years and I hope your kid still is, a sport that is. Don’t think education is an issue according to you, which is awesome.  High school sports are still the purist form of competition and team work. When a goal is a goal and not how many college coaches are in the stands.  [/quote] #1....you have a distorted view of HS talent as a whole...or maybe you underestimate the talent in select softball. #2...Ashley Kuhn @ LSU...from Ned...actually signed with NW La out of HS......ashley Leon committed to full ride at McNeese.....during the same time Cody went DI...there was a whole slew of them.....Verde...Parker....Lemoine...Godwin....Tankersley...Laporolorie (sp).....Beard......and several others who names I forget...catcher from WB.....Pitcher fro. WB.....oh..and Hanan....the reason for the lapse in number recently is due to the lapse in select programs like what Robert Verde had during that time in the GT. #3...Its of the times....if a kid wants to play in top programs they must compete with top competition year round...now if "just" playing at any level above HS is all you seek....then I will do it the HS only way.....YOU WILL NOT find a single kid that plays in the SEC....big XII....Pac 10....Big 10...ACC....Big East.....that did not play at top select softball programs #4...maybe...but if a kid wants to play in the conferences mentioned above......its more about WHICH college coaches are in the stands....and it ain't happening at HS games

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="995714" timestamp="1302539479"] I agree. Missing a regular meet or a non district game for a select sport is okay by me. But district, regional, state meets or any playoff game should not be missed for any select sport. If high school sports are considered just a "past time" and not an "important time", then don't "waste the time". ;) [/quote] Here is a thought for ya.....when the schools put as much thought into hiring specific coaches for EVERY sports as they do their head football....Athletic Director.....offensive and defensive coordinators......then maybe it would be considered more legit....rather than putting football coaches in positions to babysit in order to get just another stipend. And when the college coaches that we talk to on a regular basis start asking us where we play high school...and what our high school stats are....we may then also consider HS sports to be more legit. Or when the college coaches show up by the hundreds to watch a HS game....yep ditto Or when it becomes a requirement for all players on the team to put forth the same time and effort to be the best they can be...rather than show up only during the season...and stay only for the required practice time....then maybe it would seem more legit. There aren't many HS teams including 5A that can beat a legit 14U select team....not to be confused with what the GT calls select as a whole....when you watch enough to KNOW what I'm talking about....then you'll understand. Another example....when was the last time you heard of a school sending a coaching staff of softball....baseball....soccer...cross country.....track....volleyball.....to a coaches clinic that comes anywhere close to that of which the football coaches go to.

Yes good dialogue from an opposite perspective.....and yes by far the most action on the track thread in a while. And thanks, this my youngest of 3 girls....we did enjoy it and will continue...wish y'all luck as well.

How did other top jumpers fair in their district meets?

Perhaps we did. So from there then we will definately have to agree to disagree. HS sports are a past time you do with your friends....and of course try to win..as far as you can into the playoffs....earn letter jackets...get patches...all district...state whatever etc.....but not much more than that.

[quote name="Riding Solo" post="995574" timestamp="1302489702"] [quote author=Craig S link=topic=82947.msg995573#msg995573 date=1302489074] [quote author=Riding Solo link=topic=82947.msg995563#msg995563 date=1302488318] [quote author=Craig S link=topic=82947.msg995553#msg995553 date=1302487622] [quote author=Riding Solo link=topic=82947.msg995549#msg995549 date=1302486840] My suggestion is save your money and prepare for your kid to go to college.  Again I hope it works out for you and her but the percentage of kids from this area that go to the next level is slim to none. [/quote] And its people like you who cripple the local kids by feeding this trash to them.. The GT Shockers fastpitch softball has assisted 100% of the eligible players to the next level....that would be 27 out of 27 in the 3 !/2 years we've been in existance.......try telling THOSE LOCAL girls they are NOT living their dreams... You are entitled to your opinion as we all are....but you really should not speak as if you know the facts unless you educate yourself better on the topic. [/quote] Pretty sure I am more educated than you, see my daughter went to the next level but not in softball and i promise you this, she would never miss a high school game for a select team.  If your good enough, missing one tournament won't make a difference. High school memories last a life time. [/quote] Great...so you think so...you live a lifetime of memories in HS....I for one can't really give you much of my high school happenings....and I played college baseball....which was a much bigger memory. Missing one probably wouldn't hurt her...you are correct....so the same can be said of HS sports....missing one game shouldnt hurt her either....so what's your real point....there are actually college softball players who don't even play HS softball....I'm not recommending that...just saying....HS sports are so insignificant to playing at the next level some don't bother.... [/quote] Sad, Is all I can say. Must of not had many friends. ;D [/quote] Limited is all I can say....yes plenty and still do as does my daughter...all over the country...you know the ones that share in the same dream that she does and that she competes against in Colorado...Florida....at camps in Miss..Louisiana....etc. Get it yet.....HS is supposed to be fun...right..prom...homecoming....clubs...dating...sports....etc.....not a disapointment from from coaches who think THEY are responsible for their success because they have them for 4 year during a limited time as compared to the select teams who have had them for10 years year round and compete against the best there is to offer around the ENTIRE country..... Congrats to your DD...you need to recognize she is probably the exception....not the rule.

[quote name="Riding Solo" post="995563" timestamp="1302488318"] [quote author=Craig S link=topic=82947.msg995553#msg995553 date=1302487622] [quote author=Riding Solo link=topic=82947.msg995549#msg995549 date=1302486840] My suggestion is save your money and prepare for your kid to go to college.  Again I hope it works out for you and her but the percentage of kids from this area that go to the next level is slim to none. [/quote] And its people like you who cripple the local kids by feeding this trash to them.. The GT Shockers fastpitch softball has assisted 100% of the eligible players to the next level....that would be 27 out of 27 in the 3 !/2 years we've been in existance.......try telling THOSE LOCAL girls they are NOT living their dreams... You are entitled to your opinion as we all are....but you really should not speak as if you know the facts unless you educate yourself better on the topic. [/quote] Pretty sure I am more educated than you, see my daughter went to the next level but not in softball and i promise you this, she would never miss a high school game for a select team.  If your good enough, missing one tournament won't make a difference. High school memories last a life time. [/quote] Great...so you think so...you live a lifetime of memories in HS....I for one can't really give you much of my high school happenings....and I played college baseball....which was a much bigger memory. Missing one probably wouldn't hurt her...you are correct....so the same can be said of HS sports....missing one game shouldnt hurt her either....so what's your real point....there are actually college softball players who don't even play HS softball....I'm not recommending that...just saying....HS sports are so insignificant to playing at the next level some don't bother....

[quote name="blt22" post="995524" timestamp="1302481549"] Watching the replay of LSU/AL that was on ESPNU earlier today.. Nice seeing all the "Crush" kids having fun. [/quote] Yes that was great. Cody you have the opportunity to do big things for these young girls. They seemed to have a great time today.. and what a once in a lifetime opportunity it may for some and the beginning of much bigger things to come....never stop dreaming....never stop working. By the way great seeing you today as always....and mom....and....well he was feeling a bit sickly....so I drank his beer for him.....hahahaha...thanks JT

[quote name="Riding Solo" post="995549" timestamp="1302486840"] My suggestion is save your money and prepare for your kid to go to college.  Again I hope it works out for you and her but the percentage of kids from this area that go to the next level is slim to none. [/quote] And its people like you who cripple the local kids by feeding this trash to them.. The GT Shockers fastpitch softball has assisted 100% of the eligible players to the next level....that would be 27 out of 27 in the 3 !/2 years we've been in existance.......try telling THOSE LOCAL girls they are NOT living their dreams... You are entitled to your opinion as we all are....but you really should not speak as if you know the facts unless you educate yourself better on the topic.

[quote name="Riding Solo" post="995543" timestamp="1302486240"] [quote author=Craig S link=topic=82947.msg995536#msg995536 date=1302484437] [quote author=Rizon link=topic=82947.msg995383#msg995383 date=1302462949] School sports should come first. CraigS...if I faced what coaches face today when I coached...I wouldn't let a child play who was going to miss games/meets for their club sport. I would wish them the best of luck in club and hope they received the scholarship they were looking for. However, as long as you and the coach had that agreement...then that's the agreement. Didn't OF not let girls play volleyball because they missed because of select? If that is true, why was the same rule not followed all year? [/quote] And that's fine...like I said my kid talks to her coaches beforehand and all decisions are made.....however....if the HS coaches are honest with themselves and their team...and parents...etc....its the TRUE SELECT players that win them games. However it isn't usually a problem for the HS sport and the same Select sport...as they don't compete during the same season in order to NOT INTERFERE.. Its the players that play select softball that interfere with HS volleyball....or Club volleyball that iinterferes with softball....etc etc....so now what? Obviously you have a very talented athlete...she chooses a sport....but would like to play all and rep resent her school and help them win when she can...but her top priority is to be the best she can in her prefered sport...which will ALSO HELP her high school team. Then you have this...the volleyball coach is trying to get as many of her VB players to play club.....why...because she recognizes it helps her program...well so the BB coach and the softball coach wants the same.....so the kids comply and seek a select level of play in the sport they choose as per their perspective HS coaches....only to be penalized by coaches of other sports....because the chose softball rather than volleyball...or volleyball rather than BB.....see how this is working out....so what gives.....well in my kids case she doesn't even bother....and at nearly 5-10 she can be lots of help to both VB and BB.....buuuuttttt....nope she will stick to softball and high jumping [/quote] No kid or parent should dictate to a coach what they should or should not do. If you or your kid is doing this and getting away with it then your high school coach is weak. If you decide to play a select game instead of a school sport then how are you helping the school? I hope your child gets to that next level. Not many kids do. By the way high jumping is out of the question remember softball come first. State track meet is not important. Softball is her future remember. [/quote] FIRST it seems you are delusional about HS sports and the level of coaching the kids get....especially in girls sports...now to keep comparing apples to apples....there is not a HS program that can compete with the top select programs in any perspective sport....not to mention the competition the slect teams play.....please don't insult me and talk about the weaker programs that pop up and try to compare THOSE with the top HS programs. Yes in fact they should DICTATE...no one....I say no one knows better for my kid than I do....we dicuss her future at great length....I help her achieve that. 1. Grades..4.9gpa 2.training 3.recruiting So are you saying that having a TOP athlete part of the time is not better than not having them at all......if that's the theory.....then when your best player gets hurt....don't let them come back....doesn't really mattter why they were there....then not there.....then there again....when they are ther the team IS better. Last....it will not interfere with her select softball...and oh by the way....she could be getting recruited as a high jumper as well.....if she so chooses.

[quote name="Rizon" post="995306" timestamp="1302442808"] [quote author=Craig S link=topic=82533.msg993989#msg993989 date=1302122187] Kori Soignet won dist 25 1A with her personal best of 5'-4"...just missed 5'-6"... [/quote] I thought she went to Silsbee. [/quote] She did....

I personally blame the HS coaches for not working together and/or with the kids .....if you have a fresh. Come into HS that is great athlete....play all 3 major girls sports.....each of those coaches are trying to get her to play more to improve at their sport....well you can play 3 select sports...so the kid chooses ONE..the one SHE likes best. Maybe not even to be recruited for college...only to be better in HS.....and I know several kids in SB that does JUST that....but for not choosing the other 2 sports.....they get penalized by those coaches. Now....not all coaches are that way....I know several coaches that work around the select players in their respective sports......and those coaches are IN IT FOR THE KIDS....and I thank them for that.

[quote name="Rizon" post="995383" timestamp="1302462949"] School sports should come first. CraigS...if I faced what coaches face today when I coached...I wouldn't let a child play who was going to miss games/meets for their club sport. I would wish them the best of luck in club and hope they received the scholarship they were looking for. However, as long as you and the coach had that agreement...then that's the agreement. Didn't OF not let girls play volleyball because they missed because of select? If that is true, why was the same rule not followed all year? [/quote] And that's fine...like I said my kid talks to her coaches beforehand and all decisions are made.....however....if the HS coaches are honest with themselves and their team...and parents...etc....its the TRUE SELECT players that win them games. However it isn't usually a problem for the HS sport and the same Select sport...as they don't compete during the same season in order to NOT INTERFERE.. Its the players that play select softball that interfere with HS volleyball....or Club volleyball that iinterferes with softball....etc etc....so now what? Obviously you have a very talented athlete...she chooses a sport....but would like to play all and rep resent her school and help them win when she can...but her top priority is to be the best she can in her prefered sport...which will ALSO HELP her high school team. Then you have this...the volleyball coach is trying to get as many of her VB players to play club.....why...because she recognizes it helps her program...well so the BB coach and the softball coach wants the same.....so the kids comply and seek a select level of play in the sport they choose as per their perspective HS coaches....only to be penalized by coaches of other sports....because the chose softball rather than volleyball...or volleyball rather than BB.....see how this is working out....so what gives.....well in my kids case she doesn't even bother....and at nearly 5-10 she can be lots of help to both VB and BB.....buuuuttttt....nope she will stick to softball and high jumping

[quote name="Riding Solo" post="995311" timestamp="1302445978"] [quote author=tjcfan08 link=topic=82947.msg995269#msg995269 date=1302406446] Riding Solo.....how many times are you going to go there....please correct me if I am wrong, but the past 5 or so years haven't field events been on Tuesdays for District.....the parent involved knew that, committed to the select tournament in Indianapolis, and then later found out that district this year had changed.....unfortunate for everyone involved.... But I do agree, high school sports should come first.....I like wosgrad post, so true so true....you start out that way, you end that way.... Take your blood pressure medicine riding solo and it just might be time to retire..... ;) Trust me, I am taking mine..... ;D [/quote] Good post grad, Tjcfan08 I will beat that dead horse until the day I die. Sorry but I will retire someday just not yet. ;) Someone please enlighten me, did they change the track schedule at the last moment? Craig S, would your daughter miss the state softball tournament also? [/quote] In reality the specific sports you're discussing doesn't affect her...her select SB doesn't play during the HS softball season.....but to say this....state ANYTHING in HS....does not come before playing in front of hundreds of college softball colleges....she has given us her priorities....those priorities have been conveyed to her HS coaches....if they won't let her without consequences...she doesn't play....if they agree to work around her select schedule then there isn't a problem for either...coach or player.

First it must recognized that it is JUST that opinions...so to each their own. But I will add mine. My kid has a desent shot at winning a state title in High Jump. However I will say this....there is NO doubt if she had an exposure tournament in Softball interfering with the state track meet....her select SB would come first. That is made CLEAR at the beginning of each season....if the coach doesn't agree to work around that...she simple doesn't play that school sport....if they do agree.....I don't expect to hear anything about her missing when it happens. Her future and her heart is in softball....period

Maybe....but it was me pushing her to be a "multi-sport" athlete  ;)

[quote name="sfasuljack" post="994532" timestamp="1302269100"] Cook from Liberty jumped 5' 7" last night at Deweyville meet. [/quote] WOW....congrats to her. Good luck in district, regionals, and probably state with that height.