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Yeah, kind of like trump’s compassionate reaction to Hillary’s pneumonia. You guys’ bald faced hypocrisy astounds.

Well, I guess that settles it. If only he made that a consistent message.

You want to play that game? How many deaths have been reported as pneumonia, heart disease, or other causes where Covid was actually the proximate cause? CDC is not providing “contrived unsupported statistics”. Imagining how many might have it who haven’t been tested is the kind of thinking that’s got us in this mess.

I’m using numbers reported by the CDC. You can’t quantify what you don’t know. Please cite the data supporting fewer deaths in 2020. CDC report indicates expected deaths in 2020 are running 10% or so behind 2919. That would indicate excess mortality of 200,000 or so - wait! That’s about how many Covid deaths reported.

Did you take civics?

Existing statistics and math. 7,300,000 reported infections times 3% equals 219,000. Total deaths reported 203,000. It’s not propaganda. It’s fifth grade math.

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Only one of them is President. If the office leads by example, what you expect to get?

It kills over 2% of the people who contract it. Closer to 3%. Keep your propaganda to yourself.

No, we shouldn’t have to be forced. We should all want to as a patriotic duty to protect ourselves, our fellow citizens, and the Republic. You know, like it says in the pledge, “indivisible”. We should want to work as one in crisis. When the leader is totally divisive, this s***storm is what we get.

No, he has not. He’s danced all around it, but had yet to utter the words “white supremacy” in any denial I’ve heard, and most all have been qualified with a “but”, which cancels the preceding statement. Oh, and before I forget, one doozy was his denial of knowing who David Duke is. He’s a liar.

The $64,000 question: Who owns the site? All is conjecture until that is revealed.

Yeah. That’s the main reason we’re supposed to wear masks.

Anybody ever read Richard III?

What is this supposed to mean? Starting in March, the 2020 table you reference shows the percentage of deaths relative to expected deaths is 103%. It rises to 142% of expected deaths in late April, and stays roughly between 110-120% through August. Those are excess deaths. Are you using this table to refute Covid severity? I’d say excess over expected deaths pretty well proves it out.

Yeah, I was a little quick on the call out. A no-vote is a valid response if can find no reason to support either side. Passions running high, brother.

What goes around comes around. The sins of the fathers are visited to, what, seven generations?

There is a BIG difference in hatred borne out of fear and hatred borne out of superiority. If you can’t acknowledge that, no further exchanges are necessary. And no, I am not suggesting sixth grade is the same as it was. But, 400 years of thinking is not going to go away in 50 years. The change is slow, but it could accelerate with some basic acknowledgments.

Yeah, that was a little extreme on my part. Thanks for the call.

I speak from knowledge and experience. I was in the 6th grade in Silsbee Tx when schools here began voluntary integration. My friends, some still living here, and more white kids in general than not would say at various times in various settings say “I hate n*****s”. Ten, eleven year old kids. Hate like that is learned. It is taught. Hate is a strong emotion that will influence anyone’s thinking. Many of these kids had parents who were school teachers, business people, civic leaders. They were taught this kind of thinking at home, just as I was fortunate enough to have parents who taught acceptance. Their parents were taught that hatred, and their parents before them and so on back to the settlement of this land by the white conquerors. When it is ingrained that deeply in any society, the norms and laws will reflect it. You can deny it all you want, but that don’t mean it ain’t true.

You miss the point again, sir. The two PHD’s still have to look over their shoulders when shopping at a store, or even driving down the road, knowing the security/police people see them differently because of the color of their skin. They will get pulled over driving 1 mph over the limit when an undegreed whitey like me can get away with 7 or 8 mph over. It’s systemic. The way societies are taught. The way the laws are made and enforced stems from that.

He’s under audit by his own account. There are obviously issues. Your claim of imbedded trump haters in the IRS is pure speculation.

What if they’re not? Is not the circumstantial evidence overwhelming? Just the fact he refuses to release the things that will exonerate him if he’s telling the truth is darn near prima facie evidence that he’s got stuff to hide. That you would cheer his birther attack on President Obama requiring an official document as the only valid proof of his citizenship, then let him skate over something as significant as a half billion in debt to unknown creditors when the proof exists in an official document that he could produce is absolutely unfathomable to me. I refuse to believe you are that divorced from logical thinking.

Silly ain’t a bad thing. Laughter is contagious, and it spreads good will with no side effects.

They’ve worked pretty well where they’ve been used. Coming out if the gate, masks weren’t enough. We had to take drastic measures because there was so much uncertainty over this virus. It’s called novel coronavirus because it is new. Better to be overly cautious than to wind up where we are.