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Well, you were wrong. I have a damn thing to say, and I said it.

Really? Cry me a river. A business owner can refuse service to anyone for any reason excepting racial discrimination. Bakery refusing to bake cake for same sex couple ring any bells? You all are a bunch of crybabies. Moral outrage when your peeps are dissed, high fiving when peeps you don’t like are dissed for the same freakin’ reason. The principle is the same, but I keep forgetting that in here principles are as fluid as mercury.

This from the defender of a misogynistic lying tax cheat?

Fake news!

Tax cuts that gave pennies to the workers, thousand dollar bills to the 1%. Tariffs that did nothing more than take the tax cuts to middle class and use them to pay the increases. Was China hurt by tariffs? No. Border policy was a waste and did nothing more than make the nation hyper-xenophobic. Failure to adopt policies to mitigate Covid-19 spread was disgraceful. Announcing infrastructure plans almost monthly and failing to ever be deliver was clownish. Environmental policies were most environmentally destructive ever. As for documents, Biden’s offense is equal to jaywalking. Trump’s equal to DUI.

Christians and Muslims been killing each other since around 1100 AD. Christians and Muslims been killing Jews for longer than that. China and USSR killed believers of anything other than the state for a while. People been fighting over God since we’ve had the capacity to perceive His existence. Who’s killing who seems irrelevant. Why is a much more challenging question to me since the God I worship condones only love through grace, not hatred and violence.

“Could be” won’t get an indictment, just incitement. I love it when conservatives clutch their pearls.

I assume by destruction of the country you are referring to the people and their enablers who have either ignored or denied the assault on our democracy two years ago today. For you see, the country will not be destroyed as long as it’s governing document is the foundation of its existence. It will change, and some will like it, some will not, but it will not be destroyed as long as The Constitution remains.

The title of this thread implies that there are examples of wokeness gone good. I realize logic has little impact in this forum, but that doesn’t diminish the truth of it.

Spoken like a true fascist.

Ad hominem attack is a sign the actual debate is lost. Can’t attack the argument, attack the arguer.

You or me one, brother.

Thank you. When I get attacked in here, I know it’s because I’m hitting close to home.

The thing speaks for itself. 6 ballots, no leader. Energy independence is a myth. The border was no more secure than it had ever been and there was a rising tide from the previous eight years of effective leadership that lifted all boats. “Lowest unemployment for minorities” is a statement unto itself about the labor inequities minorities face.

A little more history - 1923, 9 ballots to elect a speaker. Republican majority in the house. Just coming off a term featuring a famously corrupt Republican president - Warren G Harding. Party was responsible for passing the Volstead Act, telling people what they could not do to their bodies (with alcohol), an unpopular law. Their lack of leadership in the twenties, despite controlling Congress and the Presidency for over a decade, led to 50+ years of Democratic control of Congress beginning in the thirties. Looks like history is repeating itself - again - as it always does.

Yeah, ya’ll would have repealed the ACA, and done legislatively almost anything else you’d have wanted. It’s called leadership.

I believe you’re right. Talk about making history!

How refreshing to be comprehended. Proof positive that ideological differences and logic can coexist.

I haven’t read every post on this thread, but I have yet to see the 800 lb gorilla in the room addressed. The Republican Party is leaderless. If the party had a leader (Trump included), they wouldn’t be undecided on the sixth ballot. If they can’t agree on a leader amongst themselves, how does anyone in their right mind believe they will effectively lead in the house as the majority party? An absolute debacle. I’ll bet they lose 30 seats in 2024.

Not saying that. Obama worked hard to negotiate it out, but the process is the process. Trump is so void of executive leadership that the congresses under him passed whatever they did in spite of him.

We agree.

It is the Affordable Care Act. All the little political names given it are talking head gibberish. Sure would be nice if we could call those things which are by their official names.

Signature does not always mean approval. Spending bills are compromises, and have to be enacted to continue government operations. The veto can also be overridden, so it is not an absolute power.

Again, revenue bills can be only originated in the House, spending bills can come from either house of the legislative branch. If history serves me, Republicans controlled the tax/spend levers for six of Obama’s eight year presidency. They had it for half of he who I shall not mention’s term. If you were to start blaming politicians and not parties, things might start happening.

Yes, it does. Quite succinctly.