Ty Cobb

[quote name="BCH123" post="1383769" timestamp="1362759297"] Rumor has it that there are a couple of coaches on staff already who have applied for the job. [color=red]One coach who has been there for a few years  and doesn't care about the kids or the program.  He just wants a paycheck and can't wait until practices and games are over every day.[/color] Hopefully the board, commitee, and superintendant will make the right choice for the program or HJ will be looking for another coach in a year because he will be tired of actually having to work! [/quote] I would really like to know which coach this is?

This is not a contest between the Aggies/Longhorns or texans/COWBOYS.  This is about Texas high school football.  As I have stated, there is nothing that says, "Texas football" quite like the COWBOYS and Longhorns.  Sure, the Aggies and texans are hot right now and that's great, but they are not the first teams that you think about when you say "Texas football". 

Sorry guys, when I hear "TEXAS football", Houston and San Antonio just do not pop into my head.  I have nothing against these two cities, just don't think about them when I talk about football.  Here are a couple of examples of what I'm trying to say:  [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] The University of Texas and the DALLAS COWBOYS dominate the state of Texas on these maps.  Why, because these are the two teams that people think about when they hear, "Texas football".

I hope it stays in Arlington forever.  If it has to move, move it to the University of Texas.  There is nothing that says, "TEXAS football" better than the COWBOYS and Longhorns!!!

[quote name="jkbtjc53" post="1377238" timestamp="1361466117"] Blake Chavis lefy because he called coach Woodard out on his bs coaching. Its amazing how Oden could pass all his classes at Arkansas but couldn't pass at Lamar. Jeremy Johnson was promised the QB job Woodard didn't keep his promise.  Garrett was not on a full scholarship. [/quote] So you are basing your statement of, "all the talented kids are leaving the program"  on the following: 1.  On a person who left Texas A&M, transfered to Lamar and during his senior season called out Coach Woodard on his coaching style.  Why did he leave Texas A&M?  Did he call out Coach Sumlin also? 2.  On a person who passed classes at Arkansas but couldn't pass at Lamar.  Where did this Mr. Oden go to after he left Lamar? 3.  On a QB that was promised the job, but for whatever reason, couldn't keep the starting job.  We all know he left and went JC. 4.  On a student athlete who was not on full scholarship.  Where did Mr. partial scholarship go after Lamar? Please understand that I DO NOT support Lamar.  I actually root against them from time-to-time.  I'm a Sam Houston State Bearkat!!!  However, I do follow athletes from SETX and your claims are terrible and have no substance. 

[quote name="jkbtjc53" post="1377205" timestamp="1361462978"] [quote author=Ty Cobb link=topic=109618.msg1377194#msg1377194 date=1361461701] [quote author=jkbtjc53 link=topic=109618.msg1377170#msg1377170 date=1361459559] Only 9 of the guys on that list that you highlighted arr on scholarship. You guys keep proving my point. The rest walked on because they were attending Lamar as a regular student. Go back and check Lamar's signing classes. [b]Its a reason all the talentes kids are leaving the program.[/b] Is it the kids?? I dont think so. Is it the coaches? I think so because there system sure hasnt produce wins on the field. Someone mentioned theyd love to see the WOS head coach or the PAM head coach apply fot the job after Woodard is let go and i agree im sure those two would run laps around Woodard when it comes to coaching [/quote] Can you give me a couple examples of, "all the talented kids leaving the program"?  I'm not aware of any talent leaving the program, except for graduating seniors.  And, where is all of this talent going? [/quote] Blake Chavis (A&M signee out of highschool) Greg Odens younger brother I cant think of his name right now, Jeremy Johnson (WVU out of highschool) Depauldrick Garrett left the program because Woodard wouldn't give him a full scholarship, Lamar signed a kid out of juco that had a USC off out of highschool he left the program.  And there are more I could go on and on. [/quote] Ok, let me get this straight.  Partial scholarships don't count, only full scholarships will satisfy you.  You listed a few names that left the program.  Where did these guys go after they left?  I know for a fact that Jeremy Johnson left West Virginia because they wanted him to play a different position besides QB.  He came to Lamar, was given an opportunity to play QB, then left when he wasn't the starter.  I think he enrolled at Blinn JC in order to play QB.  So he went from an FBS school, to a FCS school, to a JC. You said Depauldrick Garrett left becuase he didn't get a full scholarship.  Where did he go after Lamar? Same question for Blake Chavis.  He signed with Texas A&M, then transfered to Lamar.  Did he leave Lamar and go elsewhere?  If he did, where did he go?  According to the Lamar 2012 roster, Blake Chavis was a senior last season.  Does that mean he graduated from Lamar? 

[quote name="jkbtjc53" post="1377170" timestamp="1361459559"] Only 9 of the guys on that list that you highlighted arr on scholarship. You guys keep proving my point. The rest walked on because they were attending Lamar as a regular student. Go back and check Lamar's signing classes. [b]Its a reason all the talentes kids are leaving the program.[/b] Is it the kids?? I dont think so. Is it the coaches? I think so because there system sure hasnt produce wins on the field. Someone mentioned theyd love to see the WOS head coach or the PAM head coach apply fot the job after Woodard is let go and i agree im sure those two would run laps around Woodard when it comes to coaching [/quote] Can you give me a couple examples of, "all the talented kids leaving the program"?  I'm not aware of any talent leaving the program, except for graduating seniors.  And, where is all of this talent going?

This is actually the 2012 Lamar roster.  (I took the seniors off the list, since they will not be playing in 2013, so you will not see them.)  Also each player's classification will be higher for the 2013 season.  In other words if this list says they are a freshman, they will be a sophomore for the 2013 season.  Also, I do not have the new group of players on this list.  However, according to the Lamar football website, there are 20 new players coming in and 3 have SETX ties.  Lamar Cardinals NO  NAME  POS  HT  WT  CLASS  HOMETOWN 0  Jacory Augustine  DB  6-3  190  FR  LAKE CHARLES, LA [b]0  Colby Carpenter  DB  6-0  180  SO  BRIDGE CITY, TX[/b] 0  David Dunkin  QB  5-11  190  FR  AUSTIN, TX 1  Nashon Davis  DB  6-3  205  JR  KATY, TX 3  Barry Ford  WR  6-1  175  JR  HOUSTON, TX 4  Tyrus McGlothen  DB  5-8  175  JR  GRAND PRAIRIE, TX 5  Ryan Mossakowski  QB  6-4  215  JR  FRISCO, TX 8  Mike Venson  RB  5-9  160  JR  KATY, TX 9  Mike Hargis  LB  6-3  225  FR  AUSTIN, TX 10  Jermaine Longino  LB  5-10  220  JR  HOUSTON, TX 11  Kevin Johnson  WR  6-0  210  SO  HOUSTON, TX 12  Caleb Berry  QB  6-2  195  SO  NEEDVILLE, TX 13  Kye Hildreth  WR  6-1  175  JR  NAVASOTA, TX [b]14  DePauldrick Garrett  RB  5-8  190  JR  ORANGE, TX[/b] 15  Oluwajimi Oyefeso  WR  6-3  215  JR  PASADENA, TX 17  Dillon Barrett  QB  6-3  220  FR  DRY PRONG, LA 18  Davion Wolford  WR  5-11  170  SO  STAFFORD, TX 19  Matt Bergeron  QB  5-11  180  FR  MANDEVILLE, LA 19  Keinon Peterson  DB  5-8  190  JR  DICKINSON, TX 20  Michael Handy  WR  5-11  185  FR  CONROE, TX [b]21  Branden Thomas  DB  5-9  170  JR  BEAUMONT, TX[/b] [b]23  Payton Ploch  WR  6-2  215  JR  DAYTON, TX[/b] [b]24  Jacob Hanna  TE  6-0  220  JR  LUMBERTON, TX[/b] 25  Gratian Gladney  WR  5-9  165  FR  HOUSTON, TX 25  Kollin Kahler  P  6-2  200  JR  WACO, TX [b]26  Chad Allen  DB  5-11  190  JR  COLDSPRING, TX[/b] [b]27  Caleb Harmon  RB  5-9  200  JR  PORT NECHES, TX[/b] 28  Herschel Sims  RB  5-8  215  SO  ABILENE, TX 30  Darrell Harris  RB  5-11  185  FR  WACO, TX 30  George Orebe  DB  5-9  165  SO  HOUSTON, TX [b]32  Anthony Beard  LB  6-1  235  SO  LUMBERTON, TX[/b] 33  Desmond Richards  RB  5-9  170  FR  MONTGOMERY, TX [b]34  Josh Wilson  DB  5-7  185  SO  BEAUMONT, TX[/b] 35  Joe Okafor  DL  6-6  295  SO  BELLAIRE, TX 37  Courtlin Thompson  DB  6-1  210  JR  LANCASTER, CA [b]38  Garrett Drake  WR  6-2  185  FR  SILSBEE, TX[/b] 39  Justin Stout  K  6-1  170  JR  MESQUITE, TX 40  Xavier Bethany  DB  6-1  180  FR  BURTON, TX 41  Jestin White  LB  6-4  190  SO  HOUSTON, TX 43  Chris Maikranz  LS  6-6  255  JR  SUGAR LAND, TX 44  Ronnie Jones Jr.  LB  5-10  240  FR  HEMPSTEAD, TX [b]45  Joshua James  LB  5-10  190  SO  SILSBEE, TX[/b] 46  Alex Ball  K  6-3  240  FR  WESTLAKE VILLAGE, CA 47  P.J. Henderson  TE  6-3  220  JR  AUSTIN, TX 48  Lawson Hartwick  LS  5-11  255  SO  FORNEY, TX [b]49  William Jones  LB  5-10  225  JR  BEAUMONT, TX[/b] [b]52  Joe Persohn  OL  6-4  225  FR  SOUR LAKE, TX[/b] [b]53  David Hollyfield  DL  6-3  225  FR  SILSBEE, TX[/b] 54  James Washington  LB  5-11  225  JR  HOUSTON, TX 55  Luke Campbell  OL  6-4  270  FR  RUSK, TX 57  Jeremy Kirt  DL  6-1  265  JR  HOUSTON, TX [b]58  Bret Treadway  OL  6-3  250  FR  SILSBEE, TX[/b] 62  Garrett Baxley  OL  6-6  235  FR  KINGWOOD, TX [b]64  Kyle Gillam  OL  6-1  270  JR  LUMBERTON, TX[/b] 66  Marshall Fairchild  OL  6-4  290  JR  GONZALES, TX 67  Ian Kelso  OL  6-0  280  JR  AUSTIN, TX 70  Stephen Babin  OL  6-4  315  JR  BELLVILLE, TX 72  Brock Wempa  OL  6-2  345  JR  ROYSE CITY, TX [b]73  Scott Utterback  OL  6-1  290  SO  VIDOR, TX[/b] 75  Taylor Davis  OL  6-3  290  JR  PLANO, TX [b]76  Justin Brock  OL  6-5  280  FR  BEAUMONT, TX[/b] 80  Cory Soto  TE  6-8  255  JR  CARDIFF BY THE SEA, CA [b]81  Jesse Sparks  WR  5-10  170  SO  LUMBERTON, TX[/b] [b]82  Reggie Begelton  WR  6-0  190  FR  BEAUMONT, TX[/b] [b]84  Jayce Nelson  WR  6-2  170  FR  PORT NECHES, TX[/b] 86  Jordan Edwards  WR  5-11  180  JR  HOUSTON, TX [b]87  Zach Sonnier  WR  6-1  185  FR  ORANGE, TX[/b] 88  Payden McVey  TE  6-1  225  SO  DEER PARK, TX 89  Kelechi Ejekam  WR  6-3  190  FR  HOUSTON, TX [b]90  Mark Murrill  DL  6-2  255  JR  LUMBERTON, TX[/b] [b]91  Logan Moss  DL  6-4  210  FR  ORANGEFIELD, TX[/b] [b]92  Eric Arnold  DL  5-11  250  SO  ORANGE, TX[/b] 93  Jesse Dickson  DE  6-3  265  JR  HOUSTON, TX 98  Marcus Washington  DL  6-3  295  SO  HOUSTON, TX [b]99  Corbin Carr  DL  6-3  245  FR  NEDERLAND, TX[/b] That's 75 players on this list.  Add the 20 new players for the upcoming 2013 season and that makes a total of 95 palyers. There are 25 players on this list from SETX.  Add the 3 players that are going to be on the team for 2013.  That makes 28 players on the 2013 roster from SETX. Total players: 95 Players from SETX: 28 [b]29% of the 2013 Lamar roster played high school football in SETX.[/b]  That's a little less than 1/3 of the entire roster. Lamar is recruiting and signing players from SETX.  Some are even walking on and making the team.  So, jkbtjc53, what is your real problem with Lamar, Coach Woodard and the rest of his staff? 

Does anyone have any information?

OF won 6-5 in 9 innings.

Records from an anti-aging clinic in Miami list the names of prominent baseball players -- including Alex Rodriguez, Melky Cabrera and Gio Gonzalez -- and detail performance-enhancing drugs administered to them and others, according to a report Tuesday by the Miami New Times. The names were on records Miami New Times said were given to them by an employee who worked at Biogenesis of America before it closed last month. Miami New Times reported that the records show the firm sold performance-enhancing drugs, including human growth hormone, testosterone and anabolic steroids. Anthony Bosch, the 49-year-old head of the clinic, was connected to Manny Ramirez when the former MLB star was suspended for 50 games for violating baseball's drug policy in 2009. Bosch has never been charged by local or federal officials. Olney: Yanks done with A-Rod? OlneyAlex Rodriguez has admitted to PED use from 2001-03, but he's now stuck in another drug controversy, writes Buster Olney. Blog Insider Miami New Times said it conducted a three-month investigation before releasing its 5,400-word story online on Tuesday. Saturday, ESPN's Outside The Lines reported that Major League Baseball was investigating multiple wellness clinics in South Florida, as well as individuals with potential ties to players. The report said that the area from Boca Raton to Miami is "ground zero" for performance-enhancing drugs still filtering into the game. Rodriguez, the New York Yankees slugger who ended 2012 injured and on the bench during the playoffs, has admitted to using steroids from 2001-03, but he has said he has not used PEDs since. The New Times report said that Rodriguez's name shows up 16 times in the records it reviewed. One record, which the newspaper reported was part of Bosch's private notebooks, indicated Rodriguez paid Bosch $3,500 for "1.5/1.5 HGH (sports perf.), creams test., glut., MIC, supplement, sports perf. Diet." HGH is banned by MLB. There are other notations for Rodriguez as well, beginning in 2009 and continuing through last season. The New Times reports that other drugs listed for Rodriguez include IGF-1, a banned substance that stimulates insulin production and muscle growth, GHRP, a substance that releases growth hormones and testosterone creams. Rodriguez had hip surgery last month and is expected to miss some or all of the 2013 season. Miami New Times reported that Cabrera, who signed a $16 million free agent contract with the Toronto Blue Jays during the offseason, is mentioned 14 times in the report. He was suspended last August for violating baseball's performance enhancing drugs policy while a member of the San Francisco Giants. The paper cited entries last April indicating Cabrera "has enough meds until May 4" and indicating what the paper terms a "cocktail of drugs including IGF-1." According to the report, Bosch openly bragged of supplying drugs to Rodriguez. Major League Baseball issued a lengthy statement Tuesday in response to the New Times story. "We are always extremely disappointed to learn of potential links between players and the use of performance-enhancing substances," the statement begins. "These developments, however, provide evidence of the comprehensive nature of our anti-drug efforts.  Through our Department of Investigations, we have been actively involved in the issues in South Florida.  It is also important to note that three of the players allegedly involved have already been disciplined under the Joint Drug Program." The statement added that MLB has implemented many recommendations of the Mitchell report and feels that it's Department of Investigations in conjunction with local and federal law enforcement has made great strides in policing the game. Before adding that the investigation is ongoing and the league won't comment further, the statement did say: "We remain fully committed to following all leads and seeking the appropriate outcomes for all those who use, purchase and are involved in the distribution of banned substances, which have no place in our game." Nelson Cruz of the Texas Rangers has not been disciplined for PED use by the league; however, he is listed on a July 2012 record, with a notation from Bosch that "need to call him, go Thur. to Texas, take meds from April 5-May 5, will owe him troches and∧ will infuse them in May." Troches, according to Bosch's notes, are a type of drug lozenge which Miami New Times said includes testosterone. The Rangers issued a statement Tuesday, saying: "The Texas Rangers were contacted late last week by Miami New Times regarding the story posted this morning. At that time, the Rangers contacted Major League Baseball on that inquiry. The team has no further comment." Gio Gonzalez, the Washington Nationals left-hander who led the league with 21 wins last season and was third in Cy Young voting, appears five times, including one charge for $1,000. His father also appears, but he told Miami New Times that he was there to lose weight and that his son is "as clean as apple pie." "And if I knew he was doing these things with steroids, do you think I'd be dumb enough to go there?" he said, according to the New Times. Pitcher Bartolo Colon was suspended last season for violating baseball's performance-enhancing drug rules. Bosch, in his notes, says Colon's monthly fee was $3,000, according to Miami New Times. Other names listed in the records obtained by Miami New Times include Cesar Carrillo, a former University of Miami pitcher, Jimmy Goins, the strength and conditioning coach at Miami for nine seasons, Cuban boxer Yuriorkis Gamboa and professional tennis player Wayne Odesnik, who was banned from tennis for two years in 2010 for allegedly trying to bring HGH into Australia. The New Times reported that it sent detailed letters to all of the people to be named in its story asking for comment, but none responded. On Jan. 27, Bosch told the New Times: "I can't really say anything to you," and added that his attorney would be in touch. According to the report, the former secretary for Biogenesis said there shouldn't be any question as to what athletes were looking for from Bosch. "He sold HGH and steroids," the person said, according to the New Times. "Everyone who worked there knew that was what our business was."

Here's the 2012 roster, of a certain school in Lamar's conference, that has been to the National Championship 2 years in a row. (they lost both games but you get my point) Let's see how many players from SE Texas they have on their roster. Hometown (Prev School) 1  Ridgeway Frank RB 5-9 180 So. 1L Spring (Spring) 2  Miguel Antonio K 5-10 175 Sr. 3L Lovelady (Lovelady) 3  Shelby Davis DB 5-11 175 Fr. HS Texarkana (Texas) 4  Ryan Wilson RB 5-10 195 Jr. 2L Carrollton (Creekview) 5  Chris Grett QB 6-1 200 So. RS Conroe (Oak Ridge) 6  Richard Sincere WR 5-10 180 Jr. 2L Galveston (Ball) 7  Dax Swanson DB 5-11 185 Sr. 2L Waco (Toledo) (LaVega) 8  Don King III QB 6-2 205 Fr. HS Waxahachie (Waxahachie) 9  Brandon Wilkerson WR 6-1 190 Fr. RS LaGrange (LaGrange) 10  Torrance Williams WR 5-8 170 Jr. 2L Waco (Connally) 11  Brian Bell QB 6-2 175 Jr. 2L China Spring (China Spring) 12  Matt Foster P 6-6 195 Sr. 2L Melbourne,Australia (Purdue) (Monash) 13  DeAntrey Loche CB 5-10 170 Jr. 1L Diboll (Diboll) 14  Melvis Pride WR 5-11 195 Sr. 3L Odessa (Permian) 15  Jared Johnson QB 6-1 195 Fr. HS Grand Prairie (South Grand Prairie) 16  Rickey Smith WR 6-1 210 So. 1L College Station (A&M Consolidated) 17  Bookie Sneed CB 6-0 180 Jr. 2L Conroe (Conroe) 18  Trey Diller WR 6-2 200 Sr. 1L Spring (Wofford) (College Park) 19  Jarrell Crenshaw DB 5-11 185 Fr. HS Pearland (Dawson) 20  Timothy Flanders RB 5-9 210 Jr. 2L Midwest City, Ok (Kansas State) (Midwest City) 21  Desmond Fite DB 5-10 185 So. 1L Tatum (Tatum) 22  Tristan Eche S 5-10 200 Fr. RS Waco (Waco) 23  Robert Shaw DB 6-0 195 Sr. 3L Converse (Judson) 24  Vincent Dotson RB 5-8 180 Sr. 3L DeSoto (DeSoto) 25  Steven Hicks RB 5-8 190 Fr. HS Mesquite (Poteet) 26  Keshawn Hill RB 5-10 185 So. 1L Klein (Klein) 27  Mike Littleton DB 6-0 205 Sr. 2L Galveston, (Ball) 28  Chuks Orabuchi CB 6-0 175 So. SQ Denton, (Guyer) 29  Andre Moseley CB 5-10 190 Fr. RS Wylie (Wylie) 30  Will Randolph RB 5-9 188 Fr. TR Copperas Cove (Texas A&M) (Copperas Cove) 31  Michael Wade DB 5-11 195 So. 1L Arp (Arp) 32  Kenneth Jenkins DB 5-10 195 Sr. 3L Galveston (Ball) 33  Austin Campbell S 6-0 200 RFr. RS Tyler (Lee) 34  Casey Devries DE 6-4 240 Fr. RS Dalhart (Dalhart) 35  Cody Morgan RB 5-9 220 So. SQ Melissa (Melissa) 36  Darius Taylor LB 6-0 240 Sr. 3L Mesquite (Mesquite) 37  Jeremy Jackson LB 6-0 215 So. 1L Bellville (Bellville) 38  Darnell Taylor DB 6-0 195 Sr. 3L Mesquite (Mesquite) 40  Cory Hamlett DB 6-0 180 So. SQ Jacksonville (Jacksonville) 41  James French K 5-9 185 Jr. TR China Spring (Kansas State) 42  Brandon Durant ILB 6-0 220 Fr. TR Copperas Cove (Missouri) 43  Jesse Beauchamp LB 6-0 225 Jr. 2L Klein (Collins) 44  Bridge Blount ILB 5-10 230 Fr. HS Huntsville 45  Nigel Robertson ILB 5-11 225 Fr. HS Dallas (Skyline) 46  J. D. Standley TE 6-3 245 Sr. 3L Madisonville, (Madisonville) 47  Ryan Morris TE 6-3 235 Jr. SQ Frisco 48  Braden King TE 6-4 240 Fr. HS Longview (Longview) 49  Jyvante Williams ILB 6-0 200 Fr. HS Houston (North Shore) 50  Grant Clifton ILB 6-0 225 Fr. HS Katy 51  Eric Fieilo LB 5-11 220 Sr. 3L Euless (Trinity) 53  Kevin Jackson LB 5-11 200 Fr. RS Cypress (Tomball) 56  Zachary Stevens OL 6-1 270 Fr. HS Cypress (Fairbanks) 57  Chris Rogers OL 5-11 270 Sr. 1L Littleton, Colo (Iowa Central) (Columbine) 59  J. T. Cleveland DL 6-0 290 Sr. 3L Baytown, (Lee) 60  Richard Lolohea OL 6-1 305 Fr. HS Euless (Trinity) 61  R. J. Earls OL 6-2 265 Fr. HS Clute (Brazoswood) 62  Shane Weeks OL 6-3 265 Fr. HS Garland (Sachse) 63  Ken Jones DS 6-1 230 Jr. 2L Spring (Klein Collins) 66  Gary Lorance DL 6-0 290 Jr. 2L New Boston (New Boston) 67  Riley Smith OL 6-4 300 Sr. 2L Huntsville (Huntsville) 68  James DeLaRosa DL 6-1 275 Fr. HS Fort Worth (Brewer) 69  Roclan Drain OL 6-4 255 Fr. HS Chatfield (Corsicana) 70  Dan Jenkins OL 6-4 290 Sr. 2L Gilmer (Missouri) (Gilmer) 71  Scott Gonzalez OL 6-3 315 Sr. SQ Katy (Blinn) (Mayde Creek) 72  Joey White OL 6-4 305 So. 1L Wimberley (Wimberley) 73  Brandon DeWitt OL 6-3 285 Fr. HS Lawton, Okla (Lawton) 74  Donald Jackson OL 6-2 270 Fr. HS Kilgore (Kilgore) 75  Jeremy Robison OL 6-4 300 Fr. RS Garrison (Garrison) 76  Matt Boyles OL 6-3 275 Jr. 1L Southlake (Carroll) 77  Kaleb Hopson OL 6-6 300 Sr. 3L Early (Early) 80  Terrance Robinson WR 5-9 177 Sr. TR Klein Oak 81  Chance Nelson WR 5-10 165 So. TR Baytown/Sterling (Texas A&M) 82  Stephen Williams WR 5-9 180 Fr. RS Round Rock (Stoney Point) 83  T. J. Jones TE 6-3 245 Sr. 3L Tyler (Lee) 84  Beau Smith TE 6-6 230 Fr. RS Cedar Park (Cedar Park) 85  Edward Hebert WR 5-9 185 So. SQ [b]Dayton (Dayton)[/b] 86  Dustin Moehlig WR 6-0 195 So. SQ Alvin, (Alvin) 88  K. J. Williams TE 6-3 250 Sr. 1L Norman, Okla. (Texas A&M) 89  Shane Young TE 6-3 235 So. 1L Lago Vista (Lago Vista) 90  Mouf Adebo LB 6-1 215 Fr. HS Mansfield (Mansfield) 91  Preston Sanders DT 6-3 255 Jr. 2L Red Oak, (Red Oak) 92  Andrew Weaver DE 6-1 240 Jr. 1L Waco (Texas A&M) (Waco) 93  Diamonte Wheeler DT 6-2 285 So. TR Grand Prairie (Arlington) 95  John Trotter DL 6-3 265 So. 1L Rusk (Rusk) 96  Sione Latu DT 6-0 270 Fr. HS Euless (Trinity) 97  Jarrett Brown DL 6-3 265 Jr. 1L Arlington (Oklahoma) (Bowie) 99  Forbes Baggett DL 6-2 285 Jr. 2L Huntsville (Huntsville) If SE Texas has so many great, home grown players that Lamar should be recruiting, then tell me why a team with back-to-back National Championship appearances are not recruiting them.  As a matter of fact, there is only one person on this roster from SE Texas. (Dayton)

BC will get a spot and then there will be a dogfight for the other two spots.  Same as every year in 21-3A.

How many of the players on Lamar's roster are walk-ons?  I don't know if there is a way for us to find this information without talking directly to one of the coaches, but I'm willing to bet the number is very low.  I'm going to go with 5% or less. (I may be wrong but I bet it's not much higher if I am)

Wow, I can't believe what I'm reading.  Do you guys really think that Lamar should sign players just because they live and played high school football in SE Texas?  I promise you everyone that plays in SE Texas is NOT college football material.  There are some very good players that come from this area but that doesn't mean they are good enough to play college football, or maybe they are good enough to play college ball but they don't fit Lamar's scheme. Raiderblue, you said the following, "We have great home grown talent and can't get these yo yo's to sign them."  Are you joking?  Here's Lamar's 2012 roster.  Let's see how many players they have from SE Texas. Lamar Cardinals Roster - 2012 2012 Lamar Cardinals NO NAME POS HT WT CLASS HOMETOWN 0 Jacory Augustine DB 6-3 190 FR LAKE CHARLES, LA 0 Colby Carpenter DB 6-0 180 SO [b]BRIDGE CITY, TX[/b] 0 David Dunkin QB 5-11 190 FR AUSTIN, TX 1 Nashon Davis DB 6-3 205 JR KATY, TX 2 Blake Chavis LB 6-5 235 SR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b] 3 Barry Ford WR 6-1 175 JR HOUSTON, TX 4 Tyrus McGlothen DB 5-8 175 JR GRAND PRAIRIE, TX 5 Marcus Malbrough LB 6-5 245 SR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b] 5 Ryan Mossakowski QB 6-4 215 JR FRISCO, TX 6 Jordan Garrett DB 6-1 200 SR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b] 7 Steven Murray-Sesay DB 5-9 170 SR FORT WASHINGTON, MD 8 Mike Venson RB 5-9 160 JR KATY, TX 9 Mike Hargis LB 6-3 225 FR AUSTIN, TX 10 Jermaine Longino LB 5-10 220 JR HOUSTON, TX 11 Kevin Johnson WR 6-0 210 SO HOUSTON, TX 12 Caleb Berry QB 6-2 195 SO NEEDVILLE, TX 13 Kye Hildreth WR 6-1 175 JR NAVASOTA, TX 14 DePauldrick Garrett RB 5-8 190 JR [b]ORANGE, TX[/b] 15 Oluwajimi Oyefeso WR 6-3 215 JR PASADENA, TX 17 Dillon Barrett QB 6-3 220 FR DRY PRONG, LA 18 Davion Wolford WR 5-11 170 SO STAFFORD, TX 19 Matt Bergeron QB 5-11 180 FR MANDEVILLE, LA 19 Keinon Peterson DB 5-8 190 JR DICKINSON, TX 20 Michael Handy WR 5-11 185 FR CONROE, TX 21 Branden Thomas DB 5-9 170 JR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b] 23 Payton Ploch WR 6-2 215 JR [b]DAYTON, TX[/b] 24 Jacob Hanna TE 6-0 220 JR [b]LUMBERTON, TX[/b] 25 Gratian Gladney WR 5-9 165 FR HOUSTON, TX 25 Kollin Kahler P 6-2 200 JR WACO, TX 26 Chad Allen DB 5-11 190 JR [b]COLDSPRING, TX[/b] 27 Caleb Harmon RB 5-9 200 JR [b]PORT NECHES, TX[/b] 28 Herschel Sims RB 5-8 215 SO ABILENE, TX 29 Adrian Guillory DB 5-10 160 SR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b] 30 Darrell Harris RB 5-11 185 FR WACO, TX 30 George Orebe DB 5-9 165 SO HOUSTON, TX 31 Juventino Sanchez K 6-0 205 SR BLOOMING GROVE, TX 32 Anthony Beard LB 6-1 235 SO [b]LUMBERTON, TX[/b] 33 Desmond Richards RB 5-9 170 FR MONTGOMERY, TX 34 Josh Wilson DB 5-7 185 SO [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b] 35 Joe Okafor DL 6-6 295 SO BELLAIRE, TX 36 Stephone Mercer DB 5-9 170 SR AUSTIN, TX 37 Courtlin Thompson DB 6-1 210 JR LANCASTER, CA 38 Garrett Drake WR 6-2 185 FR [b]SILSBEE, TX[/b] 39 Justin Stout K 6-1 170 JR MESQUITE, TX 40 Xavier Bethany DB 6-1 180 FR BURTON, TX 41 Jestin White LB 6-4 190 SO HOUSTON, TX 42 Joseph Viator LB 5-9 190 SR [b]ORANGE, TX[/b] 43 Chris Maikranz LS 6-6 255 JR SUGAR LAND, TX 44 Ronnie Jones Jr. LB 5-10 240 FR HEMPSTEAD, TX 45 Joshua James LB 5-10 190 SO [b]SILSBEE, TX[/b] 46 Alex Ball K 6-3 240 FR WESTLAKE VILLAGE, CA 47 P.J. Henderson TE 6-3 220 JR AUSTIN, TX 48 Lawson Hartwick LS 5-11 255 SO FORNEY, TX 49 William Jones LB 5-10 225 JR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b] 50 Sean Robertson OL 6-1 270 SR COPPERAS COVE, TX 52 Joe Persohn OL 6-4 225 FR [b]SOUR LAKE, TX[/b] 53 David Hollyfield DL 6-3 225 FR [b]SILSBEE, TX[/b] 54 James Washington LB 5-11 225 JR HOUSTON, TX 55 Luke Campbell OL 6-4 270 FR RUSK, TX 56 Kameron Edwards OL 6-2 275 SR SACRAMENTO, CA 56 John Prescott DL 6-0 300 SR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b] 57 Jeremy Kirt DL 6-1 265 JR HOUSTON, TX 58 Bret Treadway OL 6-3 250 FR [b]SILSBEE, T[/b]X 61 Colton Collins OL 6-3 275 SR AUSTIN, TX 62 Garrett Baxley OL 6-6 235 FR KINGWOOD, TX 64 Kyle Gillam OL 6-1 270 JR [b]LUMBERTON, TX[/b] 65 Ryan Jones OL 6-4 275 SR [b]KIRBYVILLE, TX[/b] 66 Marshall Fairchild OL 6-4 290 JR GONZALES, TX 67 Ian Kelso OL 6-0 280 JR AUSTIN, TX 70 Stephen Babin OL 6-4 315 JR BELLVILLE, TX 71 Patrick Carlton OL 6-3 275 SR [b]BRIDGE CITY, TX[/b] 72 Brock Wempa OL 6-2 345 JR ROYSE CITY, TX 73 Scott Utterback OL 6-1 290 SO [b]VIDOR, TX[/b] 75 Taylor Davis OL 6-3 290 JR PLANO, TX 76 Justin Brock OL 6-5 280 FR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b] 80 Cory Soto TE 6-8 255 JR CARDIFF BY THE SEA, CA 81 Jesse Sparks WR 5-10 170 SO [b]LUMBERTON, TX[/b] 82 Reggie Begelton WR 6-0 190 FR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b] 83 VanLawrance Franks WR 5-5 135 SR AUSTIN, TX 84 Jayce Nelson WR 6-2 170 FR [b]PORT NECHES, TX[/b] 85 Adren Dorsey DL 6-3 275 SR TYLER, TX 86 Jordan Edwards WR 5-11 180 JR HOUSTON, TX 87 Zach Sonnier WR 6-1 185 FR [b]ORANGE, TX[/b] 88 Payden McVey TE 6-1 225 SO DEER PARK, TX 89 Kelechi Ejekam WR 6-3 190 FR HOUSTON, TX 90 Mark Murrill DL 6-2 255 JR [b]LUMBERTON, TX[/b] 91 Logan Moss DL 6-4 210 FR [b]ORANGEFIELD, TX[/b] 92 Eric Arnold DL 5-11 250 SO [b]ORANGE, TX[/b] 93 Jesse Dickson DE 6-3 265 JR HOUSTON, TX 98 Marcus Washington DL 6-3 295 SO HOUSTON, TX 99 Corbin Carr DL 6-3 245 FR [b]NEDERLAND, TX[/b] Lamar has 91 players listed on this roster and 34 of them are from SE Texas.  I'm not great in math but I would say that SE Texas players make up somewhere between 35% and 40% of the roster. What more do you want?

[quote name="HIGHpoint96" post="1364097" timestamp="1358350968"] Thats the problem with people these days they always blame coaching when they have no clue what it takes. Maybe he did do a bad job but it didnt cost the kid a scholarship cause he signed with Lamar. If you have the talent, work ethic, and attitude for college ball, like Mitchell does, they will find you. Galveston Ball went 0-10 and Johhny Evans just started every game for Texas A&M as a freshman, his coaches didn't hold him back despite not winning a game. If a kid doesnt get recruited to play college ball it just means that kid isn't good enough to play college ball, plain and simple. Coaches dont get kids scholarships; talent, hard work, and effort gets kids scholarships. I'm just telling you what a college coach that recruits this area told me point blank, but I'm sure you know more than he does right. You are alot more qualified because you have a setxsports profile and post a comment. [/quote] This may be the best post that I have ever read on this forum!!!  Here's a little positive Karma for you, Highpoint96.  :)

Because it's a beautiful game with hundreds of individual battles that ultimately make a team win or lose. 

Get get 'em YOEMEN!!! 

I knew this would be a good ballgame.  Congrats to the CAMERON YOEMEN and good luck in COWBOYS stadium!!!  Hopefully the outcome will be a little different than the 2010 state championship game against Daingerfield.

I really don't know what to think just yet.  I hate the fact that Michael Young is gone but it had to happen sometime.  I have said multiple times in the past that the RANGERS has the most feared line-up in baseball.  This is no longer true with Napoli, Young and Hamilton gone.  I'm not sure what they are going to do to replace these guys but it will darn sure look different. 

Let's go YOEMEN!!!

[quote name="eagleswoodville#1" post="1354356" timestamp="1355413968"] This late in the season, home-field advantage doesn't matter much. Although I seriously doubt any of these class 2A teams will put 5000 on either side. Considering the average combined attendance for the class 2A state CHAMPIONSHIP games is only around 6500. And that's including coaches that attend and fans from around the state. Now about the game. "cock"...you're very naive and not too bright if you are overlooking this Newton team. Marion, Lago Vista, and Hallettsville?? And we've played chumps? Lol 28, 24, and 19. Yoe's margins of victory in the playoffs. 51, 41, and 36. Newton's margins of victory in the playoffs. In fact, Newton scored more points in their lowest scoring game than Yoe scored in their highest. Yoe is a good football team. But I hope everyone in Cameron has the same attitude you do. If that's true, then there will be a lot of unhappy Yoemen driving back to Cameron Friday night. Newton 63 Cameron Yoe 35 [/quote] In the 2010 state game there were over 5000 fans on the Cameron side of Mansfield's stadium.  Dangierfield's side was about 1/2 full.  It might not be exactly 5000 this Friday night but I promise you the YOEMEN, and their fans, travel very well.  Get ready to see a sea of maroon and GO YOE!!!

Come on guys, don't let one person come on here and mess this entire thread up.  Here's what most people know.  Newton is a very good team.  Cameron is a very good team.  They are both in the semi-finals for goodness sake.  These two schools have very good football programs year in and year out.  And there is a little history between these two programs that date as far back as the early to mid 70's and as recent as 2010.  It should be a great game and I think the winner of this game will be the favorite to win the state title.  I hope both teams come out injury free and Go Big YOE!!!

Will be pulling for the Cameron Yoemen.  Should be a very good game and get ready for a great crowd. There will be at least 5000 people wearing Maroon at this game. 

[quote name="Eazy" post="1350081" timestamp="1354764123"] [quote author=Ty Cobb link=topic=107016.msg1349114#msg1349114 date=1354653037] [quote author=cowboysfan4life link=topic=107016.msg1348839#msg1348839 date=1354631667] Cameron will test the eagles like they havn't been tested.  Both teams must get past Halletsville and Franklin respectively.  Hopefully in 1 more week, we can let them settle it on the field.  And I hope it's somewhere in the Huntsville area!! [/quote] I would love to see Cameron vs Newton at Bowers Stadium in Huntsvegas!!! [/quote]Bowers Stadium would be great.  However, we won't know for sure until maybe Sat night if that stadium will be available.  Sammy U has a chance to host a playoff game if they win Friday night in Montana and E. Wash loses on Sat. [/quote] In that case I hope the BEARKATS are playing a home playoff game.