smitty

Prayers go out to his family.

Yes, I agree.  Prayers go out to his family. [quote name="Penny" post="850008" timestamp="1284784443"] yep, more important things, just saw the news, the board should shutdown and pay our respects.  what a tragedy. [/quote]

What's up, dawgnuts, haven't heard from you in a while.  Nederland will win because Vidor's not very good.  BTW: there's only one that deserves a rant.  LOL!!    ;D [quote name="dawgnut" post="849570" timestamp="1284774457"] [quote author=heartattack90 link=topic=72830.msg847833#msg847833 date=1284542502] [quote author=smitty link=topic=72830.msg847314#msg847314 date=1284486055] Nederland should take this one easy.    35-14 [/quote]Must be that good DC we have to win like this ;) [/quote] Don't get smitty started, he may go on a 3 month rant about the coaches! [/quote]

Never had an agenda.  Just see what needs to be done for Ned to step it up.  You step it up with defense.  With this DC it's not gonna happen.  You can drink the kool-aid as much as you want.  Until this changes, no district or state championships.  Sometimes tough love is needed.  If one is tough enough to admit it!    IMHO  ;) [quote name="Penny" post="849953" timestamp="1284782348"] You squeezed it down two years 97-02 now???, and in fact we played pretty good defense in 2005 also with Butler and Mohica leading the charge.  Look, you can't speak to any form of balanced facts, you have your perception and agenda, carry on.     [/quote]

Ok, newbie, yes.  And your point is?    ??? [quote name="Bulldog8" post="849921" timestamp="1284781247"] [quote author=smitty link=topic=72900.msg849343#msg849343 date=1284761879] Penny, I was NOT trying to lump that in the 97-02 era.  I was stating a fact that a RB had this much yards against this DC.  The year doesn't matter.  What matters is that it happened under this DC.  Before and after this era you talk about is the norm for this DC.  District championships and state championships are won on defense.  I just watched again as B barbers Hill RB smoked us for a 70 yard TD run.  Stop me if you see a fib here.  Need I say more?!      ::)     [quote author=Penny link=topic=72900.msg849050#msg849050 date=1284725972] Smitty, just asking but aren't you kind of cherry picking what you've been right about on the facts here.  I'm not talking about your opinion, which you are entitled to, but this is about the first fact you've been accurate on, and it was a half truth, you tried to lump that 93 Silsbee game in with the 97-04 era.  You still haven't addressed your TOTAL and COMPLETE misfire on the defenses from the 1997 - 2004 window, when we were DOMINANT.  Please, don't support your opinion based on incorrect data, and then tell people to bring their facts, stop drinkin the kool-aid, take off the rose colored glasses... etc.  If you want to talk the last few years, have at it, we've struggled, but don't lump 2 decades into the discussion, because you are wrong about it. [quote author=smitty link=topic=72900.msg848427#msg848427 date=1284645249] Thanks for the info.  I had the time-frame wrong.  But was right on the important points.  That this running back did rush for these many yards against this DC.  Again thanks. [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=72900.msg848419#msg848419 date=1284643530] It was 1993 and it was Silsbee RB Jay McGuire, Willie Ray Smith award winner, who racked up 454 yards rushing and 5 TD's. McGuire had over 600 all purpose yards and 6 TD's in that game against Nederland. But the amazing part was later that season. McGuire broke his leg in the last district game against Jasper and would miss the playoffs. Facing Nederland in the first round of the playoffs, most folks thought Silsbee was doomed because the Tigers needed every bit of McGuire's yards and TD's in the first game with Ned, which was a shootout, Tigers winning 48-44. Silsbee decided to scrap their zone coverage defense that Nederland ripped apart in the regular season game and they went to man coverage and blitzed every other play. Result was 10 sacks on the Nederland QB and 2 picks and a 34-7 Bi-district win. [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] Smitty, have you ever gone to watch the dogs practice?" [/quote]

Penny, I was NOT trying to lump that in the 97-02 era.  I was stating a fact that a RB had this much yards against this DC.  The year doesn't matter.  What matters is that it happened under this DC.  Before and after this era you talk about is the norm for this DC.  District championships and state championships are won on defense.  I just watched again as B barbers Hill RB smoked us for a 70 yard TD run.  Stop me if you see a fib here.  Need I say more?!      ::)     [quote name="Penny" post="849050" timestamp="1284725972"] Smitty, just asking but aren't you kind of cherry picking what you've been right about on the facts here.  I'm not talking about your opinion, which you are entitled to, but this is about the first fact you've been accurate on, and it was a half truth, you tried to lump that 93 Silsbee game in with the 97-04 era.  You still haven't addressed your TOTAL and COMPLETE misfire on the defenses from the 1997 - 2004 window, when we were DOMINANT.  Please, don't support your opinion based on incorrect data, and then tell people to bring their facts, stop drinkin the kool-aid, take off the rose colored glasses... etc.  If you want to talk the last few years, have at it, we've struggled, but don't lump 2 decades into the discussion, because you are wrong about it. [quote author=smitty link=topic=72900.msg848427#msg848427 date=1284645249] Thanks for the info.  I had the time-frame wrong.  But was right on the important points.  That this running back did rush for these many yards against this DC.  Again thanks. [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=72900.msg848419#msg848419 date=1284643530] It was 1993 and it was Silsbee RB Jay McGuire, Willie Ray Smith award winner, who racked up 454 yards rushing and 5 TD's. McGuire had over 600 all purpose yards and 6 TD's in that game against Nederland. But the amazing part was later that season. McGuire broke his leg in the last district game against Jasper and would miss the playoffs. Facing Nederland in the first round of the playoffs, most folks thought Silsbee was doomed because the Tigers needed every bit of McGuire's yards and TD's in the first game with Ned, which was a shootout, Tigers winning 48-44. Silsbee decided to scrap their zone coverage defense that Nederland ripped apart in the regular season game and they went to man coverage and blitzed every other play. Result was 10 sacks on the Nederland QB and 2 picks and a 34-7 Bi-district win. [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]

WOW!  A newbie starts off with a personal attack.  If you don't like what the person said then don't read it.    :o [quote name="ispeakjive" post="848639" timestamp="1284666293"] [quote author=smiley93 link=topic=72900.msg848500#msg848500 date=1284654253] Anyone who would make a blanket statement that the middle schools are the problem with Nederland's football program obviously isn't very well acquainted with Jack Lynch.  [size=12pt][font=Comic Sans MS][color=red]You're correct...I'm not acquainted with Jack Lynch. No idea who that even is?! Don't really care as I'm obviously not talking about him  ;)[/color][/font][/size][/size] Your budding superstars at Central may have had bad experiences, but your initial statement about both schoolsis just wrong.  It is not a coaching problem at Central it is an overall talent problem. [color=red][size=12pt][font=Comic Sans MS]I totally disagree, the player talent is what got the 1st win against CO in 10 years last year!! There actually is A LOT of talent at Central it's just not utilized by the coaches. And I later made an implication as to what middle school I was referring to anyways. [/font][/size][/color] C.O. traditionally has more of the better athletes.    [color=red][size=12pt][font=Comic Sans MS] That's probably a true statement BUT... from here on out that's mostly because of transfers too, because parents and kids from the CMS district don't WANT to play for CMS!!! Take a look at how many transfers were approved in the last 2 years!!! It is enough to open anyone's eyes!! Get a clue?! [/font][/size][/color] As long as both middle schools are teaching the fundamentals of Neumann's system and replenishing the ranks in high school the middle school coaches at both schools are doing their jobs. [/quote] Smiley, you're either an ostrich or an idiot.  C.O. traditionally has more talent.  Plain and simple.  That's not the case every year, but traditionally it has been.  By the way, I think you answered your own question when you said that Central beat C.O. for the first time in ten years.  Some of the more affluent neighborhoods are on that side of town and more of those parents make the investment in their kids at a young age as far as time and opportunities.  Because of that, more of those kids have developed athletically by the time they are in middle school than what you have at Central.  The number of transfers has very little to do with athletics.  Most of the transfers are more for, shall I say, demographic reasons, than for sports.  Right or wrong there are some parents that don't want their kids going to Central for various reasons, none of which have anything to do with athletics.  Now, I am not saying that never occurs, but it is rare.  (On a related note, anyone that would transfer their kid for athletic reasons in middle school ought to have their head examined.) At the end of the day, none of the wins and losses in middle school have anything to do with what happens on Friday nights as long as kids are taught the system and remain interested.  [/quote]

You stated; "Going back to the 60's PNG has always set the football bar a lttle higher than Ned." Yes, this seems to be correct.  PN-G has played in three State Championships and won one, while Ned has played in zero.  Why do you think PN-G has always set the bar higher than Ned? [quote name="Dav-J" post="848511" timestamp="1284655559"] [quote author=DogOne link=topic=72900.msg848387#msg848387 date=1284614711] I'd like to hear everyone's comments on these stats: Matt Burnett's record his last 5 seasons at PNG, 2004 - 2008:  29 - 22 overall 2 - 2 playoffs 2 District or Co-District Championships 1 Losing Season Larry Neumann's record his last 5 complete seasons at Nederland, 2005 - 2009:  29 - 24 overall 3 - 4 playoffs 0 District Championships 1 Losing Season These records are VERY similar yet one coach was "reassigned" and the other is generally regarded as one of the best coaches in the area.  Why the discrepancy??? [/quote] Interesting.... IMHO - Going back to the 60's PNG has always set the football bar a lttle higher than Ned. I wonder if you compare Football staffs of these two schools, what percent are "homegrown" and how many are "outsiders" ? I would guess that Ned is significantly more homegrown, but not sure.  PNG seems to have the guts to hire from outside over the years more so than Ned. [/quote]

Why, you advocating Burnett as the next HC @ Nederland?  LOL!!    ;D [quote name="adminbaberuth" post="848496" timestamp="1284653664"] [quote author=DogOne link=topic=72900.msg848387#msg848387 date=1284614711] I'd like to hear everyone's comments on these stats: Matt Burnett's record his last 5 seasons at PNG, 2004 - 2008:  29 - 22 overall 2 - 2 playoffs 2 District or Co-District Championships 1 Losing Season [/quote] Miss Me Yet? [/quote]

What, tappedout, no comment on fwstangs post about the comparison of the two coaches?  Blinders getting in the way??  LOL!!    ;D  ::)  [quote name="tappedout" post="848473" timestamp="1284650028"] The big problem Neumann and his staff has faced over the last few season's are significant injuries at crucial position's. There's not many team's around that can lose their starting QB and have a successful season and this has happened over the last few seasons. Take the blinder's off and look a little deeper at what these team's have had to deal with over the last few season's. [/quote]

Thanks for the info.  I had the time-frame wrong.  But was right on the important points.  That this running back did rush for these many yards against this DC.  Again thanks. [quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="848419" timestamp="1284643530"] It was 1993 and it was Silsbee RB Jay McGuire, Willie Ray Smith award winner, who racked up 454 yards rushing and 5 TD's. McGuire had over 600 all purpose yards and 6 TD's in that game against Nederland. But the amazing part was later that season. McGuire broke his leg in the last district game against Jasper and would miss the playoffs. Facing Nederland in the first round of the playoffs, most folks thought Silsbee was doomed because the Tigers needed every bit of McGuire's yards and TD's in the first game with Ned, which was a shootout, Tigers winning 48-44. Silsbee decided to scrap their zone coverage defense that Nederland ripped apart in the regular season game and they went to man coverage and blitzed every other play. Result was 10 sacks on the Nederland QB and 2 picks and a 34-7 Bi-district win. [/quote]

Interesting and good post.  Haven't thought about it this way.  Curious what the kool-aid drinkers have to say about this one!  LOL!!    :o [quote name="DogOne" post="848387" timestamp="1284614711"] I'd like to hear everyone's comments on these stats: Matt Burnett's record his last 5 seasons at PNG, 2004 - 2008:  29 - 22 overall 2 - 2 playoffs 2 District or Co-District Championships 1 Losing Season Larry Neumann's record his last 5 complete seasons at Nederland, 2005 - 2009:  29 - 24 overall 3 - 4 playoffs 0 District Championships 1 Losing Season These records are VERY similar yet one coach was "reassigned" and the other is generally regarded as one of the best coaches in the area.  Why the discrepancy??? [/quote]

Got to go with Katy big on this one.

What happened to Penny's post??    ??? Was she a drive-by poster?  You know, take a few shots and leave.  ;D  ::) [quote name="smitty" post="848015" timestamp="1284572280"] You are right about one thing, stats can be looked up and provided as proof.  Where did you get the 200/yards a game figure?  Did you go back and find this as fact?  Just curious. And you can use the word dominate if you want for those years.  But I feel those were the exceptions to the rule.  You provided one great game against Friendswood, and it's true.  But what about the late 90's game where 400 yards rushing by one Silsbee running back was given up?   [quote author=Penny link=topic=72900.msg847999#msg847999 date=1284570644] Bow... here she is.  I'm only chiming in on the misunderstanding of Nederland's defensive performances from 1997-2004.  Most every one of those year's, Nederland had not a good defense, but a DOMINANT defense.  The 1997 and 2000 defenses I would line up against any team in the state.  The 2001 defense carried them to the State Semi's with a DOMINANT performance against a high powered Friendswood in the regional final.  We had some great Larry's and Joe's from 97-04 and we played great hard nosed defense.  Speaking of the DeRouen era, I think Nederland had a defense that played in that old 5A district that allowed somewhere around 200 yards/game... I'm stretching my memory a bit.  Maybe WOSGrad can pull the data and we can look at facts.  That's all I was interested in clearing up in this post... the facts on how we played defense from 97-04. [/quote] [/quote]

Excellent post!  You are right, junior high is where the foundation is made.  These coaches are hired by Neauman.  Neauman's been there since 1992.  He should have gotten the coaches in junior high that he wants/needs.  Are you telling us that these coaches aren't doing a good coach of foundation building?  This, then, might be another problem. [quote name="smiley93" post="847984" timestamp="1284569241"] IMHO...Nederlands problem(s) actually start in the middle schools. I am going out on a limb here to say that probably most of us in these forums are middle aged. Well when I was in junior high, they played flag football and you didn't play contact football until high school. We didn't have all the junior leagues (for all sports) like they do now (which I don't agree with either as you're seeing way too many injuries amongst such young boys). Not all boys play in these junior leagues though. THAT being said, the boys are not being properly prepared for high school football at at least ONE of the middle schools for sure in Nederland. Neumann might want to [u][b]REALLY[/b][/u] consider and take a look at what he hires at those levels considering they are the ones preparing the boys for HIS high school program. I had two sons play at one of the middle schools and I never before have witnessed such incompetence amongst the coaches. VERY basic changes just wouldn't be made. It was SO agonizing they (my boys) decided they didn't want to play at all in high school. Not because they didn't like the sport but it was made to be so depressing in junior high. THAT is what is happening in Nederland... the love of the game is being lost in the middle schools!! Would I like to see a house cleaning in Nederland? Why not? It certainly hasn't hurt PN-G. Sometimes people get too comfortable and things need to be shaken up! When you have talent and it isn't utilized then sometimes you might need to consider other options. I think Nederland has some serious talent right now too and the first district game will show everyone exactly what Nederland has to offer! Good luck guys!!! [/quote]

You are right about one thing, stats can be looked up and provided as proof.  Where did you get the 200/yards a game figure?  Did you go back and find this as fact?  Just curious. And you can use the word dominate if you want for those years.  But I feel those were the exceptions to the rule.  You provided one great game against Friendswood, and it's true.  But what about the late 90's game where 400 yards rushing by one Silsbee running back was given up?  [quote name="Penny" post="847999" timestamp="1284570644"] Bow... here she is.  I'm only chiming in on the misunderstanding of Nederland's defensive performances from 1997-2004.  Most every one of those year's, Nederland had not a good defense, but a DOMINANT defense.  The 1997 and 2000 defenses I would line up against any team in the state.  The 2001 defense carried them to the State Semi's with a DOMINANT performance against a high powered Friendswood in the regional final.  We had some great Larry's and Joe's from 97-04 and we played great hard nosed defense.  Speaking of the DeRouen era, I think Nederland had a defense that played in that old 5A district that allowed somewhere around 200 yards/game... I'm stretching my memory a bit.  Maybe WOSGrad can pull the data and we can look at facts.  That's all I was interested in clearing up in this post... the facts on how we played defense from 97-04. [/quote]

You want find on here where, especially me, the kids are blamed.  Our kids are not any different then the kids from PN-G that went 10-0 last.  [quote name="BigDog007" post="848003" timestamp="1284571344"] We can all blame who we want about a poor start its our opinions but remember these are teenagers playing a mans sport. We all can point fingers at the sidelines and mouth off to the person sitting next to us at the game about either the coaching staff or the players performance. So i will remind all of us if we think we could coach better we should have changed our majors and applied for coaching jobs. We should also remember ""for those who played"" that these kids are playing the way they are coached just like we did when we played. Not everyone in this forum played for a state championship team but, every friday night we put on our pads and played our hearts out. These kids do the same thing and they feel the hurt of defeat just like we did. Positive attitudes are what these kids need to be reading about in these forums cause, yes they do read these forums. Regardless of a winning or loosing season everyone turn your ego's down a few notches and be supportive of our coaches and players. [/quote]

Again, NO I didn't play for him.  My opinion is based on what I've seen over MANY years.  Remember, this DC was the same Dc that was the DC under DeRouren.  How were those defenses??  The first six years of Neauman, defense was nothing to write home about.  Between, I'll say, 1997 and 2002-2003, one says 2004, was pretty good.  Possibly law of averages.  LOL.  Anyway, since then the defense has gone back to what it was.  This is what I base my opinion on.  Someone playing for him and having this opinion, saying these things, it would suggest a personal assault.  Let me make it clear:  Nothing I say here is personal!!!! My opinion is strictly based on on-field production as I see it.  Again, MY opinion!  I gave it three weeks this time to form my opinion.   Nothing personal!!  I hope Ned wins the state championship.  But we all know defense wins championships.  And, well... [quote name="BaseBow" post="847866" timestamp="1284556296"] [quote author=EX-Ceauxch link=topic=72900.msg847591#msg847591 date=1284503246] I don't really understand all the flack Coach Spell is getting. I was told a long time ago by an old coach, "It's not about the X's and O's. It's more about the Larry's and the Joe's!" In my opinion there is more to a great coach than just winning.(and he has done a lot of that) Coach Spell is a man with integrity and passion who teaches the kids about commitment and character. He has had some great kids play for him and come up with some great defensive schemes. He has coached through the bad times(August) and the good(Neumann). His family and faith have helped him through both those times and he sacrificed time with both to coach "The Communities Kids." I think there are a lot of men young and old who would say that Coach Spell was a man that taught them about life as well as football. I have had the privilege to coach with and against him and can only hope that my 2 sons are lucky enough to be coached by him. I don't know if you could find a better Defensive coordinator out there, [glow=red,2,300][u]but I sure as heck know you could do worse[/glow]![/u] Go Dogs!! [/quote]All I can say about D.Spell is he has above average kids on the D this year ..But he has not had them on the field at the same time becuase of the injury bug..Now come next Friday we will see because they should all be back and healthy. I think this is the best front we have had in a while..and probably the best backers we have had when Stampely is healthy,.As far as the secondary goes corners are a little shakey but two of the best safetys in district with Trevin & Jake..SO i GUESS WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS STARTING WITH VIDOR..I take it Smitty may have played for Spell to fill this way..I did indeed play for him and I did not like him  :o,,BUT I respect him and back him and I guess I can say I like the way he coaches now...My son (Trevin) seems to like him ;)SO that being said good luck to Spell and the Bulldogs.. [/quote]

You are right on the point situation.  But looking at the first 3 games, it appears, so far, that the elite teams are:  LC-M, Lumberton, Livingston, and PN-G.  One can't rule out Central.  They have played fairly stiff competition.  So that leaves Ozen and Vidor that Nederland may be above.  I wish Nederland would have shown me something in the 1st three games to say they will finish  above all of them.  But I try my best to deal in reality.  [quote name="EX-Ceauxch" post="847550" timestamp="1284499025"] Smitty, I think they can get in at least the 4th spot. All they have to do is have 1 [b]more[/b] point on the board than there opponent about 6 times and their in. Just an observation...lol [/quote]

This is just my opinion on this board.  Again. it's left up to Neauman to make a move or keep going with what he's got.  But if Nederland continues to flounder, then it becomes Neauman's problem.  Then the board will have to make a decision on him since he's the responsible party.  Only time will tell.  IMHO. [quote name="outanup" post="847651" timestamp="1284510687"] Well said EX-Ceauxch. Sure, this isnt one of Neds better defenses but, Im not of the opinion its a DC problem. With that being said, this is a forum to express ones concerns. Smitty, have you taken this up at a school board meeting? You seem very passionate about this. [/quote]

Oh, another newbie.  No fights here.  Just discussing problems as I/we see it.  Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean we can't continue to discuss.  Anyway, why are you even here if you can't handle what's being said?!    ???  ::) [quote name="strongend" post="847504" timestamp="1284496961"] The way to shut smitty up is to ignore his posts.  Hard to argue with yourself.  If you are lookin for a fight, he is the man.  Dont change his mind, just dont acknowledge it. [/quote]

No.  Pate was always the O-line coach.  Later shared duties with Crommett.  [quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="847369" timestamp="1284488499"] Didn't Pate and Spell run the defense? [/quote]

;D [quote name="Razor" post="847458" timestamp="1284494289"] I think Smitty should be replaced at his job... ;) ;) [/quote]

Not sure what Pate knows about being a DC since he the offensive line coach all those years.  I had no one in specific to replace the one we got.  Just stating an opinion that a change has been needed. [quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="847354" timestamp="1284487795"] [quote author=smitty link=topic=72900.msg847303#msg847303 date=1284485600] There's not a better DC somewhere in the state of Texas?  Again, that would be left up to Neauman.  But in my opinion a change has been needed.  You obviously disagree.  State your opinion and why. [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=72900.msg847288#msg847288 date=1284484504] Change the DC to who, specifically? [/quote] [/quote] I don't have an opinion on this matter. I just wanted to know specifically what you were alluding to. Do you want Pate back? Is that it? [/quote]

I like the way you think!!  But that would be more in line with the HC's job.  Hummm, Dodge as our HC.  Now THAT would be a step in the right direction.    ;D  ;) [quote name="rvbulldogs" post="847336" timestamp="1284486766"] Todd Dodge may be looking for a new job soon. [/quote]