smitty

If Nederland couldn't cope with Dayton's speed, how are they  going to cope with WOS' speed? [quote name="bulldawg64" post="1038305" timestamp="1313869866"] hopefully its the [color=goldenrod]dogs[/color] turn this year to come up with a win. [/quote]

Thanks for the info! [quote name="EagleEyes" post="1038261" timestamp="1313863135"] [quote author=smitty link=topic=86899.msg1038252#msg1038252 date=1313862730] I thought he was just an assistant principal.  So, he was also coaching while Price was there?  Interesting! [quote author=EagleEyes link=topic=86899.msg1038245#msg1038245 date=1313862288] [quote author=smitty link=topic=86899.msg1038240#msg1038240 date=1313861870] I hear Bruce Taylor is an assistant coach At BH.  Is this true? [/quote] ***News flash-breaking news**** Yeah for the last 10 years. [/quote] [/quote] Yeah been both his whole time at BH, they (Price/Taylor) coached together at previous schools too prior to BH. [/quote]

I thought he was just an assistant principal.  So, he was also coaching while Price was there?  Interesting! [quote name="EagleEyes" post="1038245" timestamp="1313862288"] [quote author=smitty link=topic=86899.msg1038240#msg1038240 date=1313861870] I hear Bruce Taylor is an assistant coach At BH.  Is this true? [/quote] ***News flash-breaking news**** Yeah for the last 10 years. [/quote]

I hear Bruce Taylor is an assistant coach At BH.  Is this true?

Brook by a bunch!

Just curious and trying to piece this together.  Did Nederland's size out weigh the speed of Dayton?  It appears that it did not.  So, are you saying, then, that WOS does not possess the speed of Dayton?   [quote name="Jackthehammer" post="1038227" timestamp="1313861279"] Actually I think that Nederlands size will out weigh the speed of WOS this time but I could be wrong I was last season. I also believe this could be the best coaching that WOS will face this season, which brought out the coaching comment. [/quote]

PA News headline: "Dayton quickness gives Bulldogs fits."  Not sure what WOS has.  Will there be the same problems against WOS?          

Really?!    [quote name="summitksd" post="1038127" timestamp="1313848766"] After what i witnessed last night. GP 24, PNG 7 [/quote]

What say you?!

How about Nederland and memorial for 2012?

If a coach can't adapt to his personnel, then how can he be a good coach?  [quote name="bigdog" post="1024833" timestamp="1310687627"] [quote author=VPirate link=topic=84563.msg1024217#msg1024217 date=1310562575] [quote author=smitty link=topic=84563.msg1024187#msg1024187 date=1310546484] Vidor outlook?  Same coach, same outcome!!    ;) [/quote] Vidors all time district record is 225-469-16.....about a 34% Win Pct:.....not a very good record Mathews has been head coach at Vidor 12 yrs.? Mathews is 54-66 overall at Vidor thats about a 45% win Pct. (if my math is correct) So somebody help me out here what's the problem, is it the coach, the talent level, the offensive scheme, (I've been in Vidor long enough to know before they started runing the slot-t they ran a spread) or all the above. I know these kids and trust me they practice hard and most of them (I can't speak for every player) believe than can win every time they step on the field, as for the coaches from what I know, they believe in their players and the system they have in place. Maybe it's tradition, when a kid plays on a team that has a winning tradition he feels like he's inherited a legacy, almost like a birthright he can live up to and that benefits him. Vidor doesn't have that winning tradition, but I know a few young men who are determined to change that.    [/quote] My .02...   I don't think the coach is the problem per se..  from everything I have heard Matthews is a very good coach.   I think he is a little too married to his offensive scheme though.  He needs to adjust his offensive scheme to the personnel, not force them to run an offense that they are not suited to run or has been figured out by everyone in the district.  See Nederland or PNG as far as adapting thier offenses. [/quote]

It's always been my philosophy when the job is not getting done, it starts with the HC, then The assistants.  I don't see Vidor's kids as being any different than the kids PN-G or Nederland has. [quote name="VPirate" post="1024217" timestamp="1310562575"] [quote author=smitty link=topic=84563.msg1024187#msg1024187 date=1310546484] Vidor outlook?  Same coach, same outcome!!    ;) [/quote] Vidors all time district record is 225-469-16.....about a 34% Win Pct:.....not a very good record Mathews has been head coach at Vidor 12 yrs.? Mathews is 54-66 overall at Vidor thats about a 45% win Pct. (if my math is correct) So somebody help me out here what's the problem, is it the coach, the talent level, the offensive scheme, (I've been in Vidor long enough to know before they started runing the slot-t they ran a spread) or all the above. I know these kids and trust me they practice hard and most of them (I can't speak for every player) believe than can win every time they step on the field, as for the coaches from what I know, they believe in their players and the system they have in place. Maybe it's tradition, when a kid plays on a team that has a winning tradition he feels like he's inherited a legacy, almost like a birthright he can live up to and that benefits him. Vidor doesn't have that winning tradition, but I know a few young men who are determined to change that.   [/quote]

Vidor outlook?  Same coach, same outcome!!    ;)

It would seem like Pat Fisher would be a leading candidate for the HC coaching.  Any thoughts?

Well, I would personally contract ut the maintenance department.  But I'm listening to other opinions on this.  As for as the bond, like I said before, before you ask for MORE money you should make sure you have cut everywhere possible.  That's what we are discussing here. [quote name="The-NHS" post="1019465" timestamp="1308499106"] [quote author=smitty link=topic=84302.msg1019440#msg1019440 date=1308487794] I'm not sure i understand the difference.  But i am willing to listen to what you think they are. [quote author=mat link=topic=84302.msg1019292#msg1019292 date=1308416320] [quote author=smitty link=topic=84302.msg1019203#msg1019203 date=1308394826] You can have in-house contractors that are there if/when needed.  But we wouldn't have to pay for benefits.  It's done were I work.  [quote author=mat link=topic=84302.msg1018982#msg1018982 date=1308314652] [quote author=Penny link=topic=84302.msg1018945#msg1018945 date=1308279649] Smitty is right on about contracting some maintenance activities, he is right, that is a lower cost way to maintain facilities.  He's right about the reduced overhead that you experience when you don't have full time personnel on the books.  That is not a popular position, but it is a fact.  However, Smitty, we can make these cuts, contract maintenance, have parents drive their kids to sporting events to avoid fuel, reduce administrators salaries, eliminate administration through retirements and attrition, which essentially comes down to have other people step up and take on more leadership and responsibility, which can happen actually with improved results.  Smitty, I have personally implemented and seen positive results from the very actions you are discussing.  But at the same time, I've also had to make multi-million dollar decisions over maintaining with cost, or replacing with capital, critical facilities for the long term good of an objective.  You cannot sway my opinion here.  I know where you are coming from, I've navigated this maze many times before.  I'm sorry, you can nitpick the semantics and the minute details of what is going on and at times, you are right, but the bottom line is the long term need and the big picture, REQUIRES a bond to reduce the cost of running this school district.  When it is said that a bond will reduce taxes, that is the point, paying for old broken facilities versus addressing them with a financed long term solution, is the most financially prudent decision.  A bond WILL REDUCE COSTS, which EQUATES to LOWER TAXES.... that's right Smitty, LOWER TAXES.  This isn't ignorant kids WANTING things, this is the decision of professionals who have analyzed the situation.  Can we make cuts, ABSOLUTELY, will it address the problem, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.  The question is, do you want to address the issue, or make a point about how you personally think things should be done, at the expense of ELIMINATING this community.  I'm hearing your points, and yes, people in authority should listen to the ideas you have, but ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, what you are suggesting, while at the heart good ideas, they WILL NOT address the LONG TERM needs of this community.  This is not up for discussion.  If the people of this community fall for the propoganda that killed the first bond, then we deserve to be buried with other short sighted failures from history.  There will be no upgrades of our sports or extra-cirricular facilities in the next bond.  It will be about building new schools.  Any upgrades to sporting facilities should be separately voted upon.   [/quote] In almost all cases it is not cheaper to contract out maintenance if a district’s maintenance department is run correctly and the department has the budget and support of the district. I can give plenty of info to support my opinion if needed. However, in some cases it could but more economical to contract some services such as food service or transportation. [/quote] [/quote] There’s a lot more to consider when maintaining a school district than maintaining a plant or any other type facility. [/quote] [/quote] What would you consider worthy of contracting out? Also, how does this have anything to do with a bond to build new facilities? [/quote]

In that district, they could run the Dead-T and win!    ;D

I'm not sure i understand the difference.  But i am willing to listen to what you think they are. [quote name="mat" post="1019292" timestamp="1308416320"] [quote author=smitty link=topic=84302.msg1019203#msg1019203 date=1308394826] You can have in-house contractors that are there if/when needed.  But we wouldn't have to pay for benefits.  It's done were I work.  [quote author=mat link=topic=84302.msg1018982#msg1018982 date=1308314652] [quote author=Penny link=topic=84302.msg1018945#msg1018945 date=1308279649] Smitty is right on about contracting some maintenance activities, he is right, that is a lower cost way to maintain facilities.  He's right about the reduced overhead that you experience when you don't have full time personnel on the books.  That is not a popular position, but it is a fact.  However, Smitty, we can make these cuts, contract maintenance, have parents drive their kids to sporting events to avoid fuel, reduce administrators salaries, eliminate administration through retirements and attrition, which essentially comes down to have other people step up and take on more leadership and responsibility, which can happen actually with improved results.  Smitty, I have personally implemented and seen positive results from the very actions you are discussing.  But at the same time, I've also had to make multi-million dollar decisions over maintaining with cost, or replacing with capital, critical facilities for the long term good of an objective.  You cannot sway my opinion here.  I know where you are coming from, I've navigated this maze many times before.  I'm sorry, you can nitpick the semantics and the minute details of what is going on and at times, you are right, but the bottom line is the long term need and the big picture, REQUIRES a bond to reduce the cost of running this school district.  When it is said that a bond will reduce taxes, that is the point, paying for old broken facilities versus addressing them with a financed long term solution, is the most financially prudent decision.  A bond WILL REDUCE COSTS, which EQUATES to LOWER TAXES.... that's right Smitty, LOWER TAXES.  This isn't ignorant kids WANTING things, this is the decision of professionals who have analyzed the situation.  Can we make cuts, ABSOLUTELY, will it address the problem, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.  The question is, do you want to address the issue, or make a point about how you personally think things should be done, at the expense of ELIMINATING this community.  I'm hearing your points, and yes, people in authority should listen to the ideas you have, but ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, what you are suggesting, while at the heart good ideas, they WILL NOT address the LONG TERM needs of this community.  This is not up for discussion.  If the people of this community fall for the propoganda that killed the first bond, then we deserve to be buried with other short sighted failures from history.  There will be no upgrades of our sports or extra-cirricular facilities in the next bond.  It will be about building new schools.  Any upgrades to sporting facilities should be separately voted upon.   [/quote] In almost all cases it is not cheaper to contract out maintenance if a district’s maintenance department is run correctly and the department has the budget and support of the district. I can give plenty of info to support my opinion if needed. However, in some cases it could but more economical to contract some services such as food service or transportation. [/quote] [/quote] There’s a lot more to consider when maintaining a school district than maintaining a plant or any other type facility. [/quote]

Ol' James went silent on me.  Hummm! [quote name="smitty" post="1018713" timestamp="1308178908"] I've already stated a few.  I can, and will, name some more.  I just first need to know the diversity of thought from the pro-bonders.  All I'm getting so far is one trick pony's.  But I need to from you.  In this financial crisis, do you support touching extra-curricular activities?  [quote author=James Mosley link=topic=84302.msg1018533#msg1018533 date=1308092957] Smitty Can you give me, or us, 5 things you would cut that would solve all of Nederlands problems? Cut's that would put Nederland in a class by itself as a district leader. Simple 5 Waiting!!!!!!! [/quote] [/quote]

If Ozen played better ball, then students wouldn't want to go to West Brook!    ;D [quote name="I dont play well with Jaguars" post="1019005" timestamp="1308322523"] it wont mean a thing. Weak Brooke will still recruits Ozen athletes.  ;D [/quote]

You can have in-house contractors that are there if/when needed.  But we wouldn't have to pay for benefits.  It's done were I work.  [quote name="mat" post="1018982" timestamp="1308314652"] [quote author=Penny link=topic=84302.msg1018945#msg1018945 date=1308279649] Smitty is right on about contracting some maintenance activities, he is right, that is a lower cost way to maintain facilities.  He's right about the reduced overhead that you experience when you don't have full time personnel on the books.  That is not a popular position, but it is a fact.  However, Smitty, we can make these cuts, contract maintenance, have parents drive their kids to sporting events to avoid fuel, reduce administrators salaries, eliminate administration through retirements and attrition, which essentially comes down to have other people step up and take on more leadership and responsibility, which can happen actually with improved results.  Smitty, I have personally implemented and seen positive results from the very actions you are discussing.  But at the same time, I've also had to make multi-million dollar decisions over maintaining with cost, or replacing with capital, critical facilities for the long term good of an objective.  You cannot sway my opinion here.  I know where you are coming from, I've navigated this maze many times before.  I'm sorry, you can nitpick the semantics and the minute details of what is going on and at times, you are right, but the bottom line is the long term need and the big picture, REQUIRES a bond to reduce the cost of running this school district.  When it is said that a bond will reduce taxes, that is the point, paying for old broken facilities versus addressing them with a financed long term solution, is the most financially prudent decision.  A bond WILL REDUCE COSTS, which EQUATES to LOWER TAXES.... that's right Smitty, LOWER TAXES.  This isn't ignorant kids WANTING things, this is the decision of professionals who have analyzed the situation.  Can we make cuts, ABSOLUTELY, will it address the problem, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.  The question is, do you want to address the issue, or make a point about how you personally think things should be done, at the expense of ELIMINATING this community.  I'm hearing your points, and yes, people in authority should listen to the ideas you have, but ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, what you are suggesting, while at the heart good ideas, they WILL NOT address the LONG TERM needs of this community.  This is not up for discussion.  If the people of this community fall for the propoganda that killed the first bond, then we deserve to be buried with other short sighted failures from history.  There will be no upgrades of our sports or extra-cirricular facilities in the next bond.  It will be about building new schools.  Any upgrades to sporting facilities should be separately voted upon.   [/quote] In almost all cases it is not cheaper to contract out maintenance if a district’s maintenance department is run correctly and the department has the budget and support of the district. I can give plenty of info to support my opinion if needed. However, in some cases it could but more economical to contract some services such as food service or transportation. [/quote]

I didn't say you were biased.  I said the organization that sent you that was.  There's legislation, that no doubt has to be done, but will be stated as bad from this organization because it goes against them.   Therefore a biased opinion! [quote name="shermdog" post="1019190" timestamp="1308366232"] [quote author=smitty link=topic=84302.msg1018893#msg1018893 date=1308267979] Email from a teacher's organization?!  Well -- I guess this won't be slanted in one direction!!  Unbiased, huh?  LOL!!   Give me an independent study of it and we'll talk.   ;) [quote author=shermdog link=topic=84302.msg1018814#msg1018814 date=1308240915] I have a feeling that Smitty is in Austin working to "fix the budget".  I just got this email from a teacher organization, and if it passes you will not need to worry about passing a bond.  There will not be anyone to teach the kids. Here is a synopsis of the bills: Here is how [b]Senate Bill 8[/b] would hurt teachers and public schools:    Cuts teacher salaries in two ways:    Allows districts to order furloughs of teachers and administrators for as many as six non-instructional days and reduce salaries accordingly.    Permanently repeals the 2009 salary floor for returning teachers. This would allow districts to reduce pay for all teachers.    Freezes the state minimum salary schedule at 2010-11 levels.    Changes the deadline for notification of contract non-renewal from the 45th day before the end of instruction to the last day on which spring standardized tests can be administered. The same change applies to notification of termination of probationary teachers. This would give laid-off teachers less time to find jobs for the next school year.    Allows school districts to declare financial emergencies for purposes of imposing reductions in force at any time and eliminates seniority as a factor in determining dismissals when RIFs are implemented.    Repeals a terminated teacher’s right to a hearing before an independent hearing officer.    Adds another provision for districts to seek a waiver from the 22-1 class size cap for K-4. [b]And then HB 17:[/b] House Bill 17 by Rep. Bill Callegari of Houston, which also is on Thursday’s House calendar, would repeal the state minimum salary schedule for teachers, counselors, nurses and librarians. This would allow districts to set their own pay levels for all teachers, as long as they are paid $27,320. Read into that that a 20 year teacher could be paid $27,320.  WOW! Is that responsible? As I can see it, Smitty and the legislature is against [b]KIDS, TEACHERS[/b] and [b]SCHOOLS.[/b] Perception is reality.  I feel sorry for the students and residents of Nederland with people like this fighting against you.  To me the CARE stance is one of irresponsibility and selfishness.  The kids you educate today, are being prepared for jobs that do not even exist yet.   It makes me mad, when someone who has already reaped the benefits of an education, refuses to pay it forward and educate the next generation.   [/quote] [/quote] Wow! So I belong to an organization that gives me information about pending legislation and how it affects me and so I am biased. You belong to a group which provides information to people about issues and you are not biased?   Talk about sanctimonious, pompous and arrogant! I hope the students of Nederland can get the facilities they need. [/quote]

PS - How much do "free" lunches cost the school district?  There are ALWAYS areas of cutting that can be discussed!! [quote name="dawgnut" post="1018916" timestamp="1308274032"] Enlighten us smitty you are always talking about other ways to handle the school finance situation, give us one alternative that has been tried in the USA that has worked successfully in a school district as large or larger than NISD. You always talk about the pro-bond folks coming up with a solution, let's hear one from you. But I forget, you only have questions not answers. [/quote]

Good post!! [quote name="Penny" post="1018945" timestamp="1308279649"] Smitty is right on about contracting some maintenance activities, he is right, that is a lower cost way to maintain facilities.  He's right about the reduced overhead that you experience when you don't have full time personnel on the books.  That is not a popular position, but it is a fact.  However, Smitty, we can make these cuts, contract maintenance, have parents drive their kids to sporting events to avoid fuel, reduce administrators salaries, eliminate administration through retirements and attrition, which essentially comes down to have other people step up and take on more leadership and responsibility, which can happen actually with improved results.  Smitty, I have personally implemented and seen positive results from the very actions you are discussing.  But at the same time, I've also had to make multi-million dollar decisions over maintaining with cost, or replacing with capital, critical facilities for the long term good of an objective.  You cannot sway my opinion here.  I know where you are coming from, I've navigated this maze many times before.  I'm sorry, you can nitpick the semantics and the minute details of what is going on and at times, you are right, but the bottom line is the long term need and the big picture, REQUIRES a bond to reduce the cost of running this school district.  When it is said that a bond will reduce taxes, that is the point, paying for old broken facilities versus addressing them with a financed long term solution, is the most financially prudent decision.  A bond WILL REDUCE COSTS, which EQUATES to LOWER TAXES.... that's right Smitty, LOWER TAXES.  This isn't ignorant kids WANTING things, this is the decision of professionals who have analyzed the situation.  Can we make cuts, ABSOLUTELY, will it address the problem, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.  The question is, do you want to address the issue, or make a point about how you personally think things should be done, at the expense of ELIMINATING this community.  I'm hearing your points, and yes, people in authority should listen to the ideas you have, but ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, what you are suggesting, while at the heart good ideas, they WILL NOT address the LONG TERM needs of this community.  This is not up for discussion.  If the people of this community fall for the propoganda that killed the first bond, then we deserve to be buried with other short sighted failures from history.  There will be no upgrades of our sports or extra-cirricular facilities in the next bond.  It will be about building new schools.  Any upgrades to sporting facilities should be separately voted upon.   [/quote]

Before you raise taxes, you cut first!  Give me some cuts then I'll listen to any thing you got to say about bonds! [quote name="mat" post="1018918" timestamp="1308274884"] [quote author=smitty link=topic=84302.msg1018897#msg1018897 date=1308268329] throwing money at something doesn't solve the problem either.  But that's what prevails here.  Just trying to get people to think here that there may be a different way.  But hardly any good suggestions yet from the pro-bonders.  But that's what forums are for.  To discuss solutions. [quote author=mat link=topic=84302.msg1018761#msg1018761 date=1308227960] Smitty, your view of education is skewed. It’s not all about reduced spending. Sadly, districts have had to become competitive for student enrollment for operating funds. Anything they can do to attract and maintain enrollment and attendance is necessary to just to maintain state funding. Cutting many of the programs you propose will result in a loss of enrollment which results in a lack of funds. It’s counter productive. Kinda like McDonalds cutting fries from the menu to reducing costs. [/quote] [/quote] I can offer you several bond options with supportive reasoning but I am certain you would not acknowledge any of it so I’m not going to waste my time. You do have a point though. You weren’t the lone opposition during the last bond. There were a lot of Nederland folk that weren’t on board. [/quote]

No problem;  You start with looking at extra-curricular activities.  Cut/eliminate where you can.  Cut salary's of administrators.  Cut administration positions if possible.  Here's a novel approach:  Eliminate all full-time people in the maintenance department.  Contract out as needed.  This way we don't have to pay for retirement and other benefits.  Bet you never thought of that one!  Business' are contracting out all the time.  So why not NISD?  Now your turn!!   [quote name="dawgnut" post="1018916" timestamp="1308274032"] Enlighten us smitty you are always talking about other ways to handle the school finance situation, give us one alternative that has been tried in the USA that has worked successfully in a school district as large or larger than NISD. You always talk about the pro-bond folks coming up with a solution, let's hear one from you. But I forget, you only have questions not answers. [/quote]