smitty

Everyone who would be involved in this decision is payed with tax dollars.  So, yes they can legally.  [quote name="Ska_Doobie_1" post="998648" timestamp="1303019316"] Can they even legally release the names of all the coaches that applied?  There may be circumstances where the coaches may be employed with another district and this may not look good if it is a known fact they are seeking employment elsewhere.  Just a thought. [/quote]

No, but you are right!  Not very efficient!  I was talking about PN-G's 10 million dollar stadium!   [quote name="True Blue" post="998495" timestamp="1302987069"] There would be some that would disagree that schools have been highly efficient with tax dollars over that past 5 years.  Like, for instance, building million dollar football stadiums!!   [color=blue]Would this be the same Dist. that payes their Super. the highest salary in the State Of Texas, and supplys there maintance men F350 King Ranch Trucks. To drive back form the bars or give out Million Dallars contracts to their Electrion friends.. Is that the Dist your talking about?????? :o :o[/color] [/quote]

There would be some that would disagree that schools have been highly efficient with tax dollars over that past 5 years.  Like, for instance, building million dollar football stadiums!!  [quote name="shermdog" post="998446" timestamp="1302977950"] [quote author=The Godfather link=topic=82980.msg998419#msg998419 date=1302974802] My statement was geared more toward 55+ Sorry, if I hurt your feeling. But if you want to cut cost, that's how you cut cost. Its a matter of numbers. I'm not saying its my favorite idea, but some people who been teaching for 30+ years don't let go of jobs. For a LONG time [/quote] FYI a 30 year teacher is only 52 or 53 in most cases.  Still to early for retirement. Many times, those 30+ year teachers are the mentor teachers that help the younger teachers.   I have seen districts go through and package those older teachers out.  The budget looks good, but the discipline starts to erode with a bunch of inexperienced teachers.  It takes most people a couple of years under their belt to really get to be comfortable in the classroom.  You have to have that mix.  Been there done that. Here is the thing, when funding was basically frozen in 2006, Most schools have had to trim the fat.  They have been cutting for 5 years.  They are running out of things to cut. You have to have somebody to maintain the facilities, as well as teach the kids.   I have not seen anyone come up to volunteer to cut the grass, fix  the leak or paint the walls. [/quote]

No, you misunderstood me.  I said if we have to pay them to coach, which we do, then you limit the amount of coaches you have.  6-7, if I recall saying.  You keep the teachers and trim the extracurricular activities and coaches if need be.  You are right, I am a free market capitalist.  [quote name="Penny" post="998415" timestamp="1302974361"] So Smitty, you want coaches and advisors(coaches) of extra cirricular activities to work all those hours for free?  This is America, you're the one with the eagle on your profile.  I'd figure you for an honest day's pay for an honest day's work kind of guy.  You want those folks to just give us their time without being compensated?  Basically, you're talking about taking from them to give to everyone else, other teachers and taxpayers included.  That doesn't seem to be what the political movement this country is experiencing is all about... does it?  You seem to express yourself overall in that light, but now you want people to work without compensation? Or do you have other ideas for sports and extra-cirricular activities?  Help explain.  I'd figure you for more of a free market kind of guy.  Where the best at what they do have the "OPPORTUNITY" to get what they work for and deserve?  Am I wrong? And don't get caught up on Nederland, I'm talking about period, what's your philosophy here? I'm not disagreeing that everyone has to pitch in during times of crisis.  There are budget issues that have to be dealt with.  You can't spend what you don't have, I get and support that 100%.  But a solution that involves taking money away from people who are working, seems UnAmerican.  You want answers to the budget problem?  Reduce the costs it takes to maintain your facilities so we can spend more of the income on people doing the educating?  How do we reduce costs on maintaining the facilities???? I'm also for looking at how to optimize numbers in all areas.  You can't just cut teachers, I'd look just as hard at cutting administration if tough choices have to be made.  And Godfather, you may think differently about your statement if you were 48 years old.  Some of those 48 / 50 year olders are more up to speed on technology that the kids coming out of college.  Just because you can facebook, that doesn't make you better than a 48/50 year old teacher.  Teaching is about communicating.  Great teachers could do it with a Big Chief tablet or an interractive computer system.  It's about performance, not age, at least in my book. [/quote]

Ok, True Blue, offer your suggestions on how districts should deal with the budget crisis they have. [quote name="True Blue" post="998431" timestamp="1302976333"] [quote author=The Godfather link=topic=82980.msg998419#msg998419 date=1302974802] My statement was geared more toward 55+ Sorry, if I hurt your feeling. But if you want to cut cost, that's how you cut cost. Its a matter of numbers. I'm not saying its my favorite idea, but some people who been teaching for 30+ years don't let go of jobs. For a LONG time [/quote] OK your 55 and out of work?? You have 25 more years to live?? I guess you could just you move under a bridge and get a sign that reads 55 and put out to pasture??? Why would anyone wont to be a teacher with that to look forward to. You must be part of the TeaParty??? But you could always be a greeter at WalMart :D Just remember your getting older every day and one day this will be you that is being put out >:( [/quote]

Agreed!!  [quote name="The Godfather" post="998373" timestamp="1302969049"] For starters, if you want to cut down on budget. You'll need to get the old out. People who've been teaching for 25/30+ years, sitting on those jobs that younger people with modern teaching methods could have. You'll be shaving from 10-20k per new teacher you hire, and retiree you let go (or volunteers to retire [given incentive]). The districts are top heavy in admin positions. You have some positions in some bigger districts that are superfulous and uneccesary. You don't need a Math/Science/Soc Studies/ELA 'Coach' to work with teachers to work with kids. Have teachers meet a given number of development hours outside of school, rather than pay this 'coach' 60/70/80k dollars to work with the teachers. The Dept Heads of each core subject should be savvy enough to help their colleagues. If we're going to be investing all this money in technology for our schools, teachers need to utilize it. $3000 projecters being used for Smart Boards/Mimios don't do anygood if the teacher/instructor doesn't know how or refuses to use it. You have some districts where every admin has a dang iPhone, paid for by the district. These might not answer all problems, but it is a start. [/quote]

I know for a FACT that 6-7 coaches has worked in the past.  And SUCCESSFULLY I might add.  You, and others, obviously, are caught up in what has been recently done by some school districts and presume this is the norm.  This is what you, and others, are used to.  It may have gotten that way.  But it never needed to.  Example:  Like some here thinks it's absolutely necessary to have 2 OL and 2 DL coaches. This is a WANT not a need!!   If a teacher coaches, that's fine.  But if extra money is payed for coaching then no, you don't need to pay that extra money during budget crisis.   Godfather, have not yet heard you say how to solve the budget crisis of our different school districts. Would like to hear your solutions. [quote name="The Godfather" post="998312" timestamp="1302960323"] Having been involved with organized football (Small Private HS all the way to College) my entire life, I can tell you a few things about running a successful program. Most coaches now a days are teachers. And admins aren't holding onto coaches who have low TAKS or PDAS (Appraisal) scores. I spoke with a very successful AD/HC in our area about 5 years ago, and he told me the era of the Coach who does PE only is over. If you want to coach, you better be able to teach something. As long as you have coaches who can teach, effectively, then your staff can stay near to the size it has bee. Budget cuts are going to find staffs regardless. But if coaches are certified in a core subject, they'll be fine. Smitty, you don't know the first thing about running a successful program. I would LOVE for you and one other person to control 80 hyped up 14 yr olds for an hour lol! Or organize and run a productive practice with 150 kids with 6 coaches! WON'T WORK!! [/quote]

Again. in time of budget crisis, you CUT extra curricular activities.  This takes care of your concern.  This saved expense would more than likely save a teacher.  You know -- the most IMPORTANT employee there!  [quote name="Coach27" post="997317" timestamp="1302798437"] So we are going to cut coaches:  these people are the ones that supervise your kids on those EXTRA curricular activities, so now we are going to have less people keeping up with the same amount of kids?  In my opinion, this is not smart.  Less people to give more attention to your child? Less people to go the extra mile for your child? I am not saying that teachers don't do the same, because i know they do. Coaches spend a whole lot of extra time with their athletes......... and a lot of times serve as more than just a coach to these kids.  I just don't think that they should be the ones that get cut.  That's all i am saying..... it's MY OPINION..... it doesn't have to be yours. [/quote]

In this time of budget crisis, the era of HC's walking up and down the sideline may be over.  They may need to pitch in and  be a position coach.  May need to be the OC or DC.  This way you need only 6 -- possibly 7 max -- coaches.  And no, you don't need 2 OL or DL coaches.

You get an "applaud" for making sense!!  [quote name="orangecoog" post="996114" timestamp="1302578700"] Good idea. The school coaching staffs have been beloated for to long. Cuts should be in every area. Can't spend anymore than we take in. Taxes are two high. [/quote]

Optimal staffing should be:  6, including HC, coaches for varsity football.  2 each for 8th grade and 9th grade. 

I don't know who he is!  But he can't be as good as ours!  Since we have the best DC in the world!  LOL!!!!    ::)    ;D PS - Just think, though, if he was the HC and not the DC, then we'd win the State Championship every year!!  Kinda shuts some up here when you frame it like that!!    ;) [quote name="bulldogbacker" post="995720" timestamp="1302539756"] smitty how's their DC ??? ??? [/quote]

LC-M sure hopes so!!  LOL!!!!!!    ;D [quote name="Scooter!" post="995208" timestamp="1302388382"] Dean Colbert to WO-S!!  :o [/quote]

I heard from a very, very reliable source that this IS only a guise and facade!!  Again, COOP is right! [quote name="the sports guy" post="995119" timestamp="1302359717"] Not a facade. 8)  [/quote]

None!  It's only a facade.    ;) [quote name="Ty Cobb" post="995040" timestamp="1302324266"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=82860.msg994720#msg994720 date=1302297696] [quote author=the sports guy link=topic=82860.msg994716#msg994716 date=1302296652] It is going to be a Silsbee guy. :o [/quote] I heard today he is in the running and has a very good chance which really surprises me. :o [/quote] Which coach from Silsbee is in the running? [/quote]

Are they planning on doing spring training this year?

Coop, you are correct once again!!    ;) [quote name="KFDM KERRY COOPER" post="994700" timestamp="1302294993"] Cornel Thompson! [/quote]

WOW!!  The unfounded gossip sheriff!!    LOL!!!!      ;D quote author=basketball25 link=topic=82503.msg991352#msg991352 date=1301665388] What nonsense....where do you people get your information?  Haynes has been at Hardin going on 5 years. He and his wife graduated from Hardin.  He is also working for a superintendent that was his coach at Hardin.  You people post this stuff about Haynes every year. I know for a fact that he is not coming to Kelly....plus the job isn't even open. Check your source and quit writing unfounded gossip. [/quote]

I never said that.  What I said was, according to some here if the DC was the HC, then a State Championship would be in the future. [quote name="ispeakjive" post="987674" timestamp="1300976954"] Wow, Smitty, it's March and you are already in mid-season form!  The offseason has been good to you. Your argument is ridiculous.  You seem to be saying that since Nederland hasn't won a State Championship that the DC is a failure.  By that measure, 95+% of all coordinators and head coaches in the State are failures.  With so many failures, who is there left to hire in Smittyville? [/quote]

Like I said many times, I hope they are good EVERY year.  I just have my opinion why they are not.  But, again, how can they miss with 10 returning starters.  I hope we play good enough to win the State Championship! [quote name="dawgnut" post="986609" timestamp="1300790595"] [quote author=phunter308 link=topic=82074.msg986600#msg986600 date=1300770972] Can Nederland Defense who is returning 10 starters be as good as people think? I have heard that DL Castillo has been moved to offense . This means 2 replacements 1 safety and 1 DL if they they go 4,3 defense or 2 safeties if they go 3.4 defense. They started 5 sophomores 5 junoirs and 1 senoir last year. What do yall think? [/quote] I think our defense will be better than last year. This should give smitty some serious Knee-jerk-reactions during the season. I am not sure about the individual moving to offense, but with the Freshmen moving up that can put some heat on a QB, for once in a long while we may have an overload on the D line. If that happens someone may have to move! [/quote]

It's not hard to understand.  I'm making a point of the fact that buildings do not educate.  Using this as an example.  Always glad to educate. [quote name="phunter308" post="986596" timestamp="1300769833"] I find it interesting that smitty wants to compare stadiums with PN-G and school buildings with Harvard. PN and Groves tax base is around 200% larger than Nederlands. Roughly 25 million to 11 million. Now Harvard lets see they renovate on a 10 year rotation. They have a endowment that would blow even Your large brain smitty.No schools don,t make better students but they do attract better teachers. Put yourself in a teachers position who is moving to this  area. PN-G, BISD, PAISD all have new schools and Nederlands looks as old as they are. Where would you really want to teach if the pay was the same? You know you can put new paint on a rotten old house and it looks good but it is still rotten under the paint. Nederland does need new schools badly, not paint jobs! If there is money left after the new schools then yes buid some new bathrooms and add some stands to the stadium. Oh yea before you ask the question smitty we do have some great teachers and some really great students but how much better could they be with new schools that are state of the art and way more energy efficent to boot? I will guess though you will divert to another point. Hey got one what if we let Delbert be in charge of the bond issue that way you will have something to really get fired up about! JACKA_ _! [/quote]

How can you fail with 10 returning starters?    ;)

Like I said: not real confident your arguments.  If the DC is as good as you say, then naturally you would want him as the HC.  Why not?  Maybe because the confident level is not as high as some would have you think?! Maybe, just maybe, if this would happen then ol' Smitty might be proven right!!  But it's not gonna happen because ol' Smitty IS right!!    ;) [quote name="Brubaker" post="986287" timestamp="1300725890"] [quote author=smitty link=topic=81714.msg986172#msg986172 date=1300703747] Silence is usually a realization that your beliefs were not as strong as you thought.  Especially when challenged to be tested!     ;) [/quote] Nope, my beliefs are as strong as ever.  My realization is that you have an infatuation.  Not one time have I said the DC should be the head coach, matter of fact I never saw anyone post that.  You bringing it up demonstrates you are not objective on that matter, thus the silence.  If we were discussing how great Nederland's defense was going to be this year, and it would all be because of how great a coach our DC was, then I'd understand where you're coming from.  It's tough to overcome an infatuation, as I said, I feel for you. [/quote]

Silence is usually a realization that your beliefs were not as strong as you thought.  Especially when challenged to be tested!    ;)

I'm against obama care!  LOL!!!  But, gotcha on the college buildings!!  And THAT is the truth!!  Read and learn, buddy!!    ;)    ;D [quote name="dawgnut" post="986013" timestamp="1300654654"] Fact is smitty you don't want the truth, you just want to spew your rant everywhere. And just like the buildings you are going to decay one day, no matter how good your Obama care is or how well you maintain your body one day they will tell you it's all over with get your affairs in order. So you and your "Don't Care" buddies just keep on spreading your FUD and one day you will have a pile of junk and some governmental agency will tell you to rebuild your schools anyway, and then you can go on a rant (or join the Republic of Texas group) about meddling governmental agency's! [/quote]