smitty

Just curious why the buildings haven't been maintained to my excellent standards.    We pay a lot of good taxes already to ensure they are maintained.  Don't you agree?! PS -- So, all the "OLD" college buildings in America can't, according to you, educate one student!   They've been maintained for years.  I just question WHAT they teach them in those buildings   LOL!! Face it dawgnuts, it's a matter of want, not needs.  Just like the first bond: some WANTED a fine new fancy stadium like PN-G.  It was not a NEED!!  In this bond, someone wanted to build a gym-atorium at Wilson.  So... [quote name="dawgnut" post="985823" timestamp="1300587106"] You're right smitty a 70's car can take you anywhere you want to go if you don't mind stopping every so often and replace some parts. You and your buddies appear to believe that with proper maintenance you can keep a building forever. This is not true, if you have an unlimited budget maybe, but if you don't then you have to realize that all things have a usable life and after that you spend more to maintain the building than it's worth. But I am sure you know all this since you probably have all the facts a figures from your days as the head of a maintenance department that has maintained several campuses up to your excellent standard! [/quote]

Firm beliefs are not frustrating, buddy.  Just wanting to see how serious you guys are about a certain DC, that's all.  But doesn't sound to serious.  I was just trying to give you what you want.  The best thing, according to you and others, since slice bread.  And a State Championship should go along with that also.  Or have we caught some being hypocritical??  And maybe not so confident in what they believe in certain things??  Hummmm?!  ;)    ;D [quote name="Brubaker" post="984983" timestamp="1300474927"] This is why you have no credibility in your attempts to provide unbiased evaluations. It's the offseason, nobody's brought up anything of the sort, and here you are seeking out opportunities to take shots at the man.  Smitty, you ooze class buddy.  You make out like you're just giving your opinion, when in fact you're on a witch hunt... and you have been for a while.  I feel for you buddy, seriously, to have such an infatuation like you have must be frustrating. [/quote]

Because your argument's not relevant.  A well maintained 70's car can take you anywhere a 2011 car can.  So it has nothing to do with performance or ability.  Using your argument, old schools like Harvard should be able to teach anybody anything.  A good teacher can teach in a hut out back.  So no, it's not about the buildings!!    ;) [quote name="Bon_Mot" post="985305" timestamp="1300497514"] [quote author=smitty link=topic=81687.msg984968#msg984968 date=1300473693] AGAIN -- the building does not make the student.  It's ALL about good teachers.   [quote author=Bon_Mot link=topic=81687.msg984889#msg984889 date=1300464106] smitty, I hope you live in an old house with window units and drive a car from the 70's.  If it's good enough for the children of Nederland, then it should be good enough for you. [/quote] [/quote] AGAIN -- you didn't offer a relevant retort to the statement.  You merely deflected attention elsewhere.  Why don't you drive a car from the 70's or live in a house with window units?   And if you didn't notice my original statement was about the SCHOOLS.  Why do you insist on bringing up the stadium (which is less than 10% of the proposed bond)?   Also, if you left your compound and drove around the state of Texas, you'd notice how far behind Nederland schools are in technology.  I know with all of this talk about futuristic things such as central air and heat along with a contraption called "the computer" I'm talking over your head right now so go hide behind your flag and curse progress.  Let me know when your calendar hits the 21sy Century. [/quote]

So, again, does that fine fancy stadium allow PN-G to play better football than Ned does in their stadium?? Plus your saying it's NOT about the teachers?  Interesting...      [quote name="Brubaker" post="984974" timestamp="1300474062"] [quote author=smitty link=topic=81687.msg984968#msg984968 date=1300473693] AGAIN -- the building does not make the student.  It's ALL about good teachers.  [quote author=Bon_Mot link=topic=81687.msg984889#msg984889 date=1300464106] smitty, I hope you live in an old house with window units and drive a car from the 70's.  If it's good enough for the children of Nederland, then it should be good enough for you. [/quote] [/quote] So if I play with a wooden bat, I have the same opportunity to hit a home run or hit for the same average as if I used a composite $400 bat?  I'll use your analogy... you have the same outstanding hitting coach with both bats... is their a difference?  Take it further, as a parent, would you suck it up to try and find the money to pay for the best equipment to give your son or daughter a chance to compete to the best of their ability?  Smitty, come on buddy... you can't say that with a straight face.  [/quote]

AGAIN -- the building does not make the student.  It's ALL about good teachers.  [quote name="Bon_Mot" post="984889" timestamp="1300464106"] smitty, I hope you live in an old house with window units and drive a car from the 70's.  If it's good enough for the children of Nederland, then it should be good enough for you. [/quote]

LOL!!  You da man!!    ;D [quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="984816" timestamp="1300456646"] [quote author=smitty link=topic=81687.msg984809#msg984809 date=1300456259] I don't know if you have "voluntarily" written sizable checks to NISD.  Just don't think you have.  But if you did, then I'll be the first to applaud you!!    ;) [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=81687.msg984797#msg984797 date=1300455002] [quote author=smitty link=topic=81687.msg984759#msg984759 date=1300443654] I'll tell you like I told dawgnuts when we debated the 1st bond issue, take the total of both bond issues and [b]divide by how many taxpayers there are[/b].  Then you find what your share would have been.  Now write them a check for that amount and send it to them if you are that concerned.  dawgnuts never answered the 1st challenge, probably want do it now either, so will you??    ::)     ;)    [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=81687.msg984581#msg984581 date=1300408705] [quote author=smitty link=topic=81687.msg984577#msg984577 date=1300408104] So I presume you do not pay NISD taxes, since you haven't answered.  I was just curious.    ;) [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=81687.msg984336#msg984336 date=1300381056] I pay taxes in 4 counties. Support all bonds. [/quote] [/quote] Jefferson, Hardin, Galveston and Henderson counties. Ned & PNG [/quote] [/quote] How does one exactly know how many taxpayers there are in Nederland? There might be some that evade taxes like yourself. Am I suppose to take care of those guys too? BTW, how do you know I haven't written a sizeable check to NISD over the years? ;) [/quote] [/quote] Start applauding. Usually I don't want any fanfare, but in this case I'll make an exception. [/quote]

dawgnuts, I have never said anything about the OC.  I'm talking about the DC as the HC to bring Ned a State Championship.  Just going by what you and others say about the DC.  ;) [quote name="dawgnut" post="984930" timestamp="1300470503"] [quote author=bulldogbacker link=topic=81714.msg984916#msg984916 date=1300467799] smitty, I did not know that Coach English coached football as well as basketball ;D ;D please explain youself ??? ??? [quote author=smitty link=topic=81714.msg984758#msg984758 date=1300443257] But dawgnuts, if he did retire, the greatest thing since slice bread would take over.  Just think about it!!     ::) [quote author=dawgnut link=topic=81714.msg984663#msg984663 date=1300415176] There is one thing for sure, numbers do not lie, they can be misinterpreted but they don't lie. So in the conversation of Neumann retiring I can give you about 1000 lbs of reasons why he is not going anywhere! [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] Backer, smitty can't decide who he dislikes the most...the DC or the OC. He's a man torn between two positions. I think we need Dr. Phil to help him work out his frustrations and pick just one. [/quote]

I don't know if you have "voluntarily" written sizable checks to NISD.  Just don't think you have.  But if you did, then I'll be the first to applaud you!!    ;) [quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="984797" timestamp="1300455002"] [quote author=smitty link=topic=81687.msg984759#msg984759 date=1300443654] I'll tell you like I told dawgnuts when we debated the 1st bond issue, take the total of both bond issues and [b]divide by how many taxpayers there are[/b].  Then you find what your share would have been.  Now write them a check for that amount and send it to them if you are that concerned.  dawgnuts never answered the 1st challenge, probably want do it now either, so will you??    ::)     ;)    [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=81687.msg984581#msg984581 date=1300408705] [quote author=smitty link=topic=81687.msg984577#msg984577 date=1300408104] So I presume you do not pay NISD taxes, since you haven't answered.  I was just curious.    ;) [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=81687.msg984336#msg984336 date=1300381056] I pay taxes in 4 counties. Support all bonds. [/quote] [/quote] Jefferson, Hardin, Galveston and Henderson counties. Ned & PNG [/quote] [/quote] How does one exactly know how many taxpayers there are in Nederland? There might be some that evade taxes like yourself. Am I suppose to take care of those guys too? BTW, how do you know I haven't written a sizeable check to NISD over the years? ;) [/quote]

Questions arose with the first bond issue about all the repairs needed to the existing facilities.  The main question was asked: doesn't NISD have a maintenance department?  Why were they not maintaining.  I guess since the 1st bond was overwhelmingly defeated, their answer was not sufficient.  IMHO!   PS - I would have to disagree that super facilities make super students.  I don't think people are falling for that argument.  NISD has one of the highest tax rates in the state.  So, who sets the rate that determines that one community cares more than another community.  Are there certain caring tax rate levels that I'm not aware of? The point I'm making is, contrary to some beliefs here, facilities do not make for a better student! PSS - Did a 10 million dollar stadium make PN-G a better football team?  I think not.  Heck, they won a state championship playing in that 'OLD" stadium! [quote name="YOUKNOWIT11" post="984760" timestamp="1300445046"] Smitty You can be like HF and turn down bonds year after year like they did over the years and the effects of poor facilities takes its toll on a community. Super great students and faculty, but they deserved more from their community back in the days that bond elections were denied. I bet hindsight shows everyone there that it's ok to say yes to responsible bond packages. If not, playing catch up gets you further and further behind. JMO [/quote]

I'll tell you like I told dawgnuts when we debated the 1st bond issue, take the total of both bond issues and divide by how many taxpayers there are.  Then you find what your share would have been.  Now write them a check for that amount and send it to them if you are that concerned.  dawgnuts never answered the 1st challenge, probably want do it now either, so will you??    ::)    ;)    [quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="984581" timestamp="1300408705"] [quote author=smitty link=topic=81687.msg984577#msg984577 date=1300408104] So I presume you do not pay NISD taxes, since you haven't answered.  I was just curious.    ;) [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=81687.msg984336#msg984336 date=1300381056] I pay taxes in 4 counties. Support all bonds. [/quote] [/quote] Jefferson, Hardin, Galveston and Henderson counties. Ned & PNG [/quote]

But dawgnuts, if he did retire, the greatest thing since slice bread would take over.  Just think about it!!    ::) [quote name="dawgnut" post="984663" timestamp="1300415176"] There is one thing for sure, numbers do not lie, they can be misinterpreted but they don't lie. So in the conversation of Neumann retiring I can give you about 1000 lbs of reasons why he is not going anywhere! [/quote]

He NEVER answered the specific question.  Or didn't you realize that?  Now he has, finally!  So now I can say what I originally wanted to say.  Which, by the way, also includes you!  ;)    ::) [quote name="dawgnut" post="984673" timestamp="1300415785"] Aggies you can't use logic with smitty! If you explain to him that you own multiple properties and that you will probably pay more in taxes than the average citizen like I have on several occasions, smitty just changes talking points. He doesn't want truth, he just dislikes all governments, local, state, and federal. [/quote]

So I presume you do not pay NISD taxes, since you haven't answered.  I was just curious.    ;) [quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="984336" timestamp="1300381056"] I pay taxes in 4 counties. Support all bonds. [/quote]

Let's just say that I never went!  I'm was ALWAYS around!!   LOL!!!!!!!!! [quote name="Razor" post="984339" timestamp="1300381324"] I think that most would agree that the one who needs to go is you...can't say I missed your comments while you were on an apparent sabbatical [/quote]

Thanks for the answer, but I was mainly curious about Aggies. [quote name="19bulldog88" post="984327" timestamp="1300379226"] [quote author=smitty link=topic=81687.msg984325#msg984325 date=1300379074] You answering for you or Aggies? [quote author=19bulldog88 link=topic=81687.msg984319#msg984319 date=1300378593] [quote author=smitty link=topic=81687.msg984309#msg984309 date=1300377752] I'll presume you pay NISD taxes.  Did you support the first bond issue?  Were you planning on supporting the second bond try? [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=81687.msg984273#msg984273 date=1300373794] [quote author=smitty link=topic=81687.msg984269#msg984269 date=1300373456] Not my fault you can't understand certain things!    ;)    ;D [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=81687.msg984253#msg984253 date=1300372699] [quote author=smitty link=topic=81687.msg984250#msg984250 date=1300372607] [b]Ya'll believe everything in the news?[/b]   ;) [quote author=dawgnut link=topic=81687.msg984206#msg984206 date=1300369108] Read? What are you trying to do destroy the ability to spread FUD with facts? [/quote] [/quote] Kind of like believing what you say on a messageboard. ;) [/quote] [/quote] Not my fault you lack in credibility. ;) [/quote] [/quote] Yes,Yes and Yes [/quote] [/quote] That's my answer [/quote]

You answering for you or Aggies? [quote name="19bulldog88" post="984319" timestamp="1300378593"] [quote author=smitty link=topic=81687.msg984309#msg984309 date=1300377752] I'll presume you pay NISD taxes.  Did you support the first bond issue?  Were you planning on supporting the second bond try? [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=81687.msg984273#msg984273 date=1300373794] [quote author=smitty link=topic=81687.msg984269#msg984269 date=1300373456] Not my fault you can't understand certain things!    ;)    ;D [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=81687.msg984253#msg984253 date=1300372699] [quote author=smitty link=topic=81687.msg984250#msg984250 date=1300372607] [b]Ya'll believe everything in the news?[/b]   ;) [quote author=dawgnut link=topic=81687.msg984206#msg984206 date=1300369108] Read? What are you trying to do destroy the ability to spread FUD with facts? [/quote] [/quote] Kind of like believing what you say on a messageboard. ;) [/quote] [/quote] Not my fault you lack in credibility. ;) [/quote] [/quote] Yes,Yes and Yes [/quote]

I'll presume you pay NISD taxes.  Did you support the first bond issue?  Were you planning on supporting the second bond try? [quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="984273" timestamp="1300373794"] [quote author=smitty link=topic=81687.msg984269#msg984269 date=1300373456] Not my fault you can't understand certain things!    ;)    ;D [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=81687.msg984253#msg984253 date=1300372699] [quote author=smitty link=topic=81687.msg984250#msg984250 date=1300372607] [b]Ya'll believe everything in the news?[/b]   ;) [quote author=dawgnut link=topic=81687.msg984206#msg984206 date=1300369108] Read? What are you trying to do destroy the ability to spread FUD with facts? [/quote] [/quote] Kind of like believing what you say on a messageboard. ;) [/quote] [/quote] Not my fault you lack in credibility. ;) [/quote]

Not my fault you can't understand certain things!    ;)    ;D [quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="984253" timestamp="1300372699"] [quote author=smitty link=topic=81687.msg984250#msg984250 date=1300372607] [b]Ya'll believe everything in the news?[/b]   ;) [quote author=dawgnut link=topic=81687.msg984206#msg984206 date=1300369108] Read? What are you trying to do destroy the ability to spread FUD with facts? [/quote] [/quote] Kind of like believing what you say on a messageboard. ;) [/quote]

Ya'll believe everything in the news?   I'm looking for the real reason!  ;) [quote name="dawgnut" post="984206" timestamp="1300369108"] Read? What are you trying to do destroy the ability to spread FUD with facts? [/quote]

Ha!  I like this one.  But Neuman needs to go and let the greatest coach on staff since slice bread take over.  Seems there would be a lot here would agree with this!!    ;D    ;) [quote name="dawgnut" post="982902" timestamp="1300199867"] I think someone overheard the statement wrong. What they missed was the part where Neumann said he wished that smitty would retire. [/quote]

Again -- if it wasn't true about the football stadium, then why did they pull the bond issue?? [quote name="Brubaker" post="984072" timestamp="1300329142"] Why are they looking at spending money to install energy efficient savings gadgets in facilities that are approaching the end of their useful life from a cost perspective?  If the district wants to look at a real long range plan, look beyond 5 years and stop nickel and diming this problem.  Put a plan in place that has a better long range payout and provides for an overall improvement to the community.  We need new schools and bad.  Drop the football stadium scare tactics, nobody wants to sacrifice our new schools over a football stadium.  Sounds like more scare tactics and propaganda to keep our community down. [/quote]

What if your guess is wrong?  Can we take it back once it's done?     ;D [quote name="bedelmon" post="982594" timestamp="1300136804"] Also, I may be wrong but I think the money to pay teachers cannot come out of a bond, that money comes from another entity. May want to do some research on that also. I dont think any money spent on extra curricular activities for school kids is ever a waste of money. How much will a $25,000,000 bond make your taxes go up? I'm guessing $10 per year? [/quote]

This could have been a rumor.  But came from a reliable source.  So, then, why did they pull it?  Always seeking the truth. [quote name="bigdog" post="982545" timestamp="1300131890"] You really ought to do some research before you post.  I know you are threatened by Nederland potentially building a better stadium than png.  There is no stadium proposed for this bond, only replacing the restrooms.  Straight from the NISD boards minutes: [Hidden Content] [/quote]

I love it when I can educate the masses.  Big government spenders:  Anyone that waste taxpayer dollars on wasteful projects!  Like when our county has 20% unemployment and NISD has one of the highest tax rates, they want to sneak in a football stadium and gym-atorium in a bond issue.  All the while talking of laying off teachers.    ;) [quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="982529" timestamp="1300129317"] Big government spender's....... ??? [/quote]

If 7 on 7 cost a school district money, then you start cutting there first.