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[quote name="ChampionEagles" post="964182" timestamp="1297370511"] [quote author=hitman009 link=topic=80066.msg964133#msg964133 date=1297365325] [quote author=jacobmccandles link=topic=80066.msg964108#msg964108 date=1297360830] Hitman, don't compare college graduates with 30 years experience to some people that did not even graduate high school and are working for minimum wage.  Find out what the income is for college graduates with 10+ years experience in the area(do not include teachers). [/quote]why not compare?? we are talking about the community that pays for the teachers.... but if you want statistics here they are... this will explain why there is cut backs in the Newton area.... Newton has experienced a 10% drop of population... why have more teachers if you don't have the students... Newton has a 12% unemployment rate.. hard to raise money with that.... people are not going to buy property with no money..68% of people own homes in Newton and 21% make less than 10,000 a year.. It is hard to compare college graduates with 10+ years of experience when only 9% of people who graduate from Newton get bachelors degrees... compared to 23% state average... And I bet most of the Newton's 9% college graduates have left the area to find better jobs... not many high paying jobs in Newton... newton's population only has 47% with HIGH SCHOOL DEGREES... I can also bet that most of the college degrees that live in Newton are teachers... either way a teacher, in newton, is a high paying job as compared to the community average salary.. [/quote] All of these numbers look good except they are totally wrong for budget numbers except number of students. The largest part of the school budget comes from the state, not local taxes or any of these other statistics you have quoted. ADA money. And if I follow your logic, I'm one of the ignorant, penniless, barefoot fools that live here. Come on down and I'll show you how to play "deliverence" on my banjo. [/quote]i believe i said MOST not ALL... the satitics are just facts...just because you fall on the other side of these statistics does not mean it is not happening in the community... and just beacuse someone did not graduate from college does not make them a "redneck".  I never put down Newton...or yourself.. just gave facts why 2 long time coaches were let go.... and yes a large number of education money does come from the state but countys also collect a property tax that rolls in to funding for education at your local schools.. that is why bigger citys pay teachers higher salarys... more propery owners....  as for you playing a banjo IDK...

is that what i said... except leaving out they have to sign by aug. or they can draft the kid next year... dont know could have typed it wrong..... bottom line a club has to shell out big money to get him for the next 3 years.. and really big money is 60,000+  and 4 years to any college he wants... lots of club offers will put the college thing in.... so the kids see they are not really losing money...

He could have gone to a Juco but most clubs will not pay big money to a kid that is going Juco... they can draft him next year and wait and see what he does... or see if he gets hurt they are not losing money because they have not paid him.. you can get drafted and not sign... just means if the kid decides to go pro by aug. they have the rights to him.... If you go D1 you are not eligible for the draft till you are a JR... now Gabby has already signed with a D1 school.. Lamar... this could be a power move on his part.... a club is going to have to pay him big money or lose him for 3 years..

[quote name="jacobmccandles" post="964108" timestamp="1297360830"] Hitman, don't compare college graduates with 30 years experience to some people that did not even graduate high school and are working for minimum wage.  Find out what the income is for college graduates with 10+ years experience in the area(do not include teachers). [/quote]why not compare?? we are talking about the community that pays for the teachers.... but if you want statistics here they are... this will explain why there is cut backs in the Newton area.... Newton has experienced a 10% drop of population... why have more teachers if you don't have the students... Newton has a 12% unemployment rate.. hard to raise money with that.... people are not going to buy property with no money..68% of people own homes in Newton and 21% make less than 10,000 a year.. It is hard to compare college graduates with 10+ years of experience when only 9% of people who graduate from Newton get bachelors degrees... compared to 23% state average... And I bet most of the Newton's 9% college graduates have left the area to find better jobs... not many high paying jobs in Newton... newton's population only has 47% with HIGH SCHOOL DEGREES... I can also bet that most of the college degrees that live in Newton are teachers... either way a teacher, in newton, is a high paying job as compared to the community average salary..

[quote name="ChampionEagles" post="964063" timestamp="1297355551"] I am one of the old ones and remember a movie that the plot was to kill everyone when they reached 30. Seemed like a good idea until you reached 30, then ..... I do take exception to the idea that younger is better, more in the know on technology idea. I've paid for my kids to graduate from the University of Texas and I don't think in higher education they tend to stick with the younger is better idea. There are advantages to both and I don't believe they are mutually exclusive. There is no way to man all positions with nothing but "old" teachers, but there is also no way to man all positions with nothing but young teachers either. Especially in the poorer, rural areas. Many teachers over the years have left the profession for better paying jobs in the private sector, not just young or old but both. Ideas made into law that make education spend money in ways that are not in the best interest of those your trying to educate are also to blame. I'm sure in every corporation there are provisions for "no employee left behind". [/quote]true..i also see both sides... there is something to gain by experience.. my grandfather is a retired iron worker. there are somethings i would take his advice on but. do i want him or when constructing a massive building..heck i think he would still use products that have abestis in it... and i agree that the way our state spends money is crazy... but we vote for those who are in power and make those laws... kinda of hard to blame someone when we as a state put those people in office... as for the "no employee left behind" there are many of corporations that face the same problems that our school districts are facing now..low budget and that cut backs are comming... they have to find a way to create more money or cut back on spending.. do you think they are  going to lose money because Joe Shmow has been with the company for 30 years...

[quote name="anonymous_account" post="964037" timestamp="1297353580"] who keeps score in a scrimmage [/quote] I would like to know how Kville #1's did against WOS #1's... Im not tring to rub anything in... just want to compare... kville could have scored late...IDK

And the moon is made of green cheese....??? you kinda just proved my point with a OLD saying like that.. I have no problems with the 2 coaches let go... i know they have done a lot for their comunity... I just understand the reasons for letting them go... remember they are being let go for the teaching part... not for the coaching part... they can still coach... just have to take a different position...

[quote name="anonymous_account" post="964032" timestamp="1297353243"] the mustangs were a little rusty.  but the pieces are there, they just need some work.  the leadership should put them where they want to be this season [/quote]can you tell me a score by inn please

[quote name="Yearof thePat!" post="964029" timestamp="1297352942"] [quote author=EAGLE07 link=topic=79942.msg963713#msg963713 date=1297287611] [quote author=Yearof thePat! link=topic=79942.msg963653#msg963653 date=1297280346] [quote author=EAGLE07 link=topic=79942.msg963642#msg963642 date=1297279062] [quote author=hitman009 link=topic=79942.msg963612#msg963612 date=1297276498] [quote author=pitcher link=topic=79942.msg963603#msg963603 date=1297275941] Crosby vs Sante Fe Crosby winning 15-6 Pitchers: Gabby, Upshaw, Jones and Wells [/quote]Crosby played Texas City with Crosby winning Gabby struk out 8 of 9 batters he faced texas city scored most of there runs late [/quote] Sounds like Gabby is in midseason form....Nice job. [/quote] This summer a group of players put together by Rangers scout Randy Taylor (It was mostly a hitting group) played two "games" against San Jac and a team out of Louisiana. In the game against Louisiana, he was 91-92. Needless to say, there was alot of chatter in the stands. [/quote] I would imagine....you bust that 90+ mark and things change.......quickly. [/quote] There were several scouts there on Tuesday. Gabby was 91-93 consistently. Topped out at 94. Lamar might want to make other arrangements. ;D [/quote]what ever club drafts him this year are going to have to throw big money at him if they want him... or they will lose him for 3 years... and hope to get him in the 2014 draft

true but would like to know what was the score when "starters" were in.... top 3 pitchers had to pitch 2 inn each...

[quote name="setxballpop" post="963996" timestamp="1297349369"] My co-worker who is a WOS Parent says K'Ville pounded them Stangs. [/quote]if this is true then kville does have a shot at winning district.... WOS is sopost to be a power house in their district

[quote name="ChampionEagles" post="963994" timestamp="1297349365"] [quote author=kville68 link=topic=80066.msg963944#msg963944 date=1297342621] Take emotion out of this and the only part that makes no sense is the fact that these employees are 1. Retired from the education system and recieving a pension. 2. Working for the same education system and recieving a paycheck. They and many others are double dipping the system. It should not be possible. If they want to come out of retirement and coach or teach because they are good at it, they enjoy it and are needed that would be fantastic. It is nothing personal with these two fine coaches it just does not make good financial sense. [/quote] Double dipping? They paid into the retirement system over a lifetime of work and then took advantage of being a conscientious, hard working employee by reaping the benefits of their work and you call this double dipping. They do not receive state benefits like all other state employees nor do they receive state retirement like all other state employees. A state highway department worker with out a college degree receives better insurance and better state retirement than teachers. As America and Texas together fall further behind the world in the quality of educating our children let's continue to blame teachers and cut money needed to educate the young. There's a great rally cry "LET'S BE MORE MEDIOCRE".   [/quote]that its ture but the state matches what they put in... so dont say the state does nothing... and they did not pay social security...think about all the money you put into SS and put it to retirement... that is what teachers do... as for the youth falling behind... THAT IS WHY THEY ARE HIRING YOUNGER TEACHERS... they are trained...

[quote name="spoonbill" post="963990" timestamp="1297349030"] i'm sure they could continue in their positions without being paid and live off of their pensions as most retirees do. most retired people find a hobby to take up their spare time. [/quote]they are right by the lake... go fishing.. learn the area and be a fishing guide.... does not sound like a bad retirement to me.. lots of ex coaches do it.. i even know some coaches who quit because they were making more money being a guide

[quote name="football" post="963952" timestamp="1297344469"] Let's b#$%^ a little more about teachers and coaches.  The state says that the minimum salary for a teacher is 43,000.  How many other jobs do you know of where someone with 30 years in the same job make this little.  I have friends with high school educations that made way more than this the first year out of high school.  And dont tell me that schools can pay more than that.  I know they can and most, not all, do. Even if a school pays 12000 above, that's still just 55,000. [/quote]salaries are based on year of experience 0 years-27,320 to 20+years - 44,270. that is state min.... other districts feel this not enough and pay more... in the Houston area  44,270 is what a 3 year experienced teacher would make.... why does other districts pay more??.... they have more revenue and cost of living is higher… as for your coach only making 55,000 with his coaching stipends and you say that is not a lot of money…do me a favor and look up the average combined income of your area (Newton)… I know the average COMBINED income in Kirbyville is like $50,000… NOW DOES YOUR COACH MAKE A LOT OF MONEY IN HIS AREA… 55,000 AND RETIREMENT ON A SINGLE INCOME??? THAT IS MORE THAN TWICE THE AVERAGE if the district is struggling then they have two choices:  make cuts or create more revenue other than what the state gives you... which means more people have to move to Newton and pay tax..... the state makes the district pay if a district hires a retired teacher, this is to inspire districts to hire younger teachers, teachers with more technology training to inspire the younger generation to learn rather than “just open you book to page 320 and read, test on Friday” If you really are concerned about the coach losing his job and not receiving 2 pay checks then I have a solution for you…. The state says to be payed for coaching an extracurricular activity you do not have to be a teacher… you just have to be hired as a full time by the district….. IF THEY WANT TO COACH have them take a position as maintenance or a full time sub… pay would be less but they get to do what they love to do…. COACH.

[quote name="Big12Fan" post="963885" timestamp="1297309327"] If kids are serious about playing baseball and have ambitions of making it to the next level, they should learn to study now!  There are plenty of good ball players who will not get an opportunity due to grades.  I wish them the best, and hope a leason is learned to help them in the future. [/quote]no pass/no play is not just for baseball... its all extra activities.... and they are learning a lesson by sitting out for 3 weeks... most return from that motivation.... as for college.. most who struggle with grades do not make it to college...that is why it is a High school rule... to motivate kids who may not attend college to still learn... and if they do make it to college and play a sport they have to study and get tutorials on their OWN time... not during practice...

for some kids Athletics is the only way to keep them off the street.... if they did not practice do you really think they are going home to study...my guess is no!!! plain and simple to me.... you take away the carrot and the horse will run away... Its all for the kids....

[quote name="pitcher" post="963603" timestamp="1297275941"] Crosby vs Sante Fe Crosby winning 15-6 Pitchers: Gabby, Upshaw, Jones and Wells [/quote]Crosby played Texas City with Crosby winning Gabby struk out 8 of 9 batters he faced texas city scored most of there runs late

[quote name="DesertStorm" post="963564" timestamp="1297272207"] [quote author=Big12Fan link=topic=80033.msg963309#msg963309 date=1297223144] Help me with "no pass no play".  Why are kids that do not make their grades allowed to practice?  Shouldn't they be attending study hall?  I was informed this afternoon that one local school lost 3 of their starting pitchers to failing grades, and instead of going home to study, they are being required to attend practice which some evening may not end until 9 or 10.  Coaches, I beleive "No PASS NO PLAY" was intended to motivate the student athelete - to penalize those who fail, and reward those who pass.  Just my opinion. What's yours? [/quote] No Pass-No Play aside, this school is violating rules if they are practicing to 9-10. You can only practice 8 hours a week. That's about 1:30 to 1:45 a day right now. [/quote] you are right on the ruling.. only 8 hrs a week does not count for tryout and games are not included. so right now it could be 1hr 40 min a day but when games roll around it could last longer....... as for the 9-10pm when they get home.. it could be that the coach is starting practice late... some schools do have mandatory tutorials... and have multiple teams... if a school gets out at 330 and has tutorials till 430.  fre/so practice at 500-700 JV/V 700-900... i could see them getting home late.. the question is what is your kid doing for the 2 hr off… the rule just states 8HR a week not when they start.. As for the no pass/no play rule….. some kids may not understand one subject for a 6 weeks and fail.. They are punished for not playing in any games till 3 weeks has expired … that is enough punishment It is not made to hurt the kid.. if a kid cannot practice… think about all the things he has missed.. has to learn and  relearn what they have be taught.. in most sports a kid could not recover from this… like they found out when no pass/no play was 6 weeks long…… as long as the kid is receiving tutorials and the extra education they need… what is the problem???

[quote name="little d" post="960621" timestamp="1296753092"] [quote author=TXHORN_ET link=topic=78519.msg959886#msg959886 date=1296672352] big time budget crunch going on state wide isn't it?  just wondering... [/quote]    That's what it's all about. Hire coaches right out of school for $20,000 get rid of the ones making $40,000 look at all that money. Maybe Hemphill has big time money problems I don't know. Whatever floats your boat,money or winning! [/quote]a new coach out of college will make close to $29,000 (districts can not pay less than state min) not including stipends...

Dominic Merka signed with TCU yesterday.... good luck Dominc!! Crosby is proud of you!!

any word of who the interim coach will be..... 

[quote name="theboss14" post="955533" timestamp="1296102100"] [quote author=hitman009 link=topic=75030.msg888856#msg888856 date=1288199469] my vote is for crosby.... Gabby returning.... undfeated in district last year...only loss was to brenham which were 4A state champs.... with another off season... just too much... he will pitch in every hard district game....with their relief back as well... will be tough to beat... [/quote] crosby did not go undefeated in district last year, they didnt even win district. and there are a several good arms in this district that will give gabby a run for his money pitching wise. [/quote]NOTE TO ALL WHO REPLY ON THE SUBJECT OF CROSBY.... READ FIRST!!!! GABBY WAS UNDEFEATED IN DISTRICT LAST YEAR IN DISTRICT. Crosby also returns 5 all-district, 3 pitchers returning...

[quote name="EagleFan01" post="955096" timestamp="1296062169"] What about Kirbyvilles offensive cordinator they have now Coach Neece you think he will put his name in the hat? [/quote]Neece would be a great head coach if he does not go with Alvarez..... Also the DC Vanya would be a great hire as well.... was the AD at West Sabine i think and im very sure he would keep the same O..... has 2 kids in the system... Kville will not lose a step with the promotion of one of these 2 coaches...

[quote name="youknowit" post="952322" timestamp="1295638115"] Kirbyville will have Tyler Downs(great control), Kael Jones(hard chunker), Blayk Coleson(lefty), Cody Goins(could give some innings) Should make for a competitive year in 18-3A [/quote]is the burns kid going to play this year?  If so, he could add to the pitching depth... Kville also has some hitting as well.... cant wait to see what those wildcats can do this year...

[quote name="ace13" post="951714" timestamp="1295541525"] [quote author=hitman009 link=topic=75030.msg943923#msg943923 date=1294423981] [quote author=ace13 link=topic=75030.msg943880#msg943880 date=1294420407] [quote author=hitman009 link=topic=75030.msg942819#msg942819 date=1294250826] [quote author=ace13 link=topic=75030.msg942792#msg942792 date=1294248828] [quote author=hitman009 link=topic=75030.msg888856#msg888856 date=1288199469] my vote is for crosby.... Gabby returning.... undfeated in district last year...only loss was to brenham which were 4A state champs.... with another off season... just too much... he will pitch in every hard district game....with their relief back as well... will be tough to beat... [/quote] last time i checked crosby got beat by ce king,barbers hill and got shutout by [size=18pt]GALENA PARK[/size]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/quote]last time i checked crosby beat barbers hill twice, ce king twice and split with galena park. they finished 2nd in district and kingwood parks only losses in district were to CROSBY. which they swept them.. and was the only team out of 19-4A to advance to area..... and by the way... those losses happened when Gabby did NOT pitch.   the way the schedule is this year... gabby might pitch in every big game.. Gabbys record last year 10-1... only loss was to brenham which won state.... [/quote] last time i checked crosby split with barbers hill and ce king  ;) [/quote]then your check was wrong!!! Crosby beat CE King and BH  in the  BH Tourn !!! Record in 2-1 in favor of Crosby :) [/quote] So now your saying Crosby wasnt undefeated in district like you said before  ;) [/quote] Thank you falconfanatic... Reading usually helps before you reply