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UIL changed that too. Ineligible for ALL UIL participation/activities for 1 calendar year. No Summer Strength@Conditioning, no Frosh Ball, no other sports, nothing but the regular old PE Class for 1 calendar year and that’s 8th grade transfers on up. Starts Aug 1 2025 so still business as usual with transfers until then but after that it’s gonna get harder

Take a look at this chart. It shows how many kids per year transfer outside of the District WHILE LIVING IN GCCISD DISTRICT. They reside within GCCISD, but attend school outside of it. These numbers are straight from TEA. “TEA maintains data on students living in Goose Creek CISD who attend other public schools”, So we’re not even talking about kids whose families move or who use MeeMaw’s address. That’s 100+ per year who still live in GCCISD and hitch a ride out to BHISD and back each day. A lot of cars in that car rider line out of Baytown. You think at least 10% of them aren’t athletes? Maybe more like 20%? C’mon, man, it’s plain to see and like I’ve been telling other folks ALL the successful programs do it. It’s just gonna get a LITTLE harder to do it after 8/1/25, that’s all. Won’t stop it, might not even slow it down much, but it’s gonna affect things a bit.

BHISD isn’t all Riceland, there’s plenty of cheaper houses, trailer parks, RV Parks, etc and I hear there’s Apartment Complexes going in soon. Also, you don’t even have to move there as long as you’ve got a MeeMaw or Auntie in BHISD zone, you just sign an affidavit that your kid is living with MeeMaw or Auntie and they’re in. Don’t take my word for it, I already posted GCCISDs numbers showing twice as many GCCISD kids are transferring to BHISD than to the other surrounding Districts, 100+ per year. If only 10% of those are for athletic purposes that’s 10 athletes a year minimum and I’m willing to bet it’s a little higher. What’s also true and the point I was trying to make there is that as Riceland fills up it’s definitely going to change BHISD. Those homes start at $500k and run up past $1M. Gonna be a lot less “Country” and a lot more White Collar.

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Truth hurts, don’t it? Like I said, anyone who wants to can do a little digging online and see exactly what programs GCCISD 8th grade athlete standouts end up at.

It’ll make it a little harder because then they’d be transferring in younger kids. Transferring 7th graders means you’re getting a lot of kids that aren’t through puberty yet. Doesn’t mean parents won’t do it but Coaches might not be as receptive to the whole idea. I think you will see an uptick in younger transfers though, after 8/1/25 GCM’s coach isn’t going anywhere. He’s a former North Shore assistant coach and there’s another former North Shore assistant coach as GCCISD District AD. They’re tight so Coach Ragsdale has job security. You really want him to put the kid on blast like that? It’s easy to figure out if you don’t mind digging a little. Rosters are online.

Told ya! That’s how it goes!

That’s still a .500 season which I’m sure you’ll agree considering the state of GCCISD athletics is pretty good. I’ll take .500 all day long over 2-7 which is RSS’ this year minus their win against GCM and of course GCM went 0-10. Yessir, I’m proud of them going .500 the way things are now.

Im not saying that at all. You keep putting words in my mouth. I’m sure transfers help some but even with 20% transfers the team is still 80% homegrown and it could be as low as 10% for all I know. It’s a fact, though. It happens everywhere. UIL wouldn’t be changing the rules if it wasn’t happening everywhere. I think you’re right about an uptick in transfers but instead of Spring semester I think it’ll be right at the end of the School Year. That way they finish up at their old school but get to attend Summer Strength & Conditioning at their new school before 9th grade starts. It’ll be real interesting if GCCISD will release the transfer numbers from now until Aug 1 to see if transfers to BH increased from the 100 transfers this past school year.

REL actually improved this year to 6-4 which was remarkable because like you said, they had a lot of injuries and their bench was thin before that. It’s crazy how the smallest of the 3 GCCISD High Schools finds a way to at least field a team that can hold their own but you’re right that coaching is one aspect of it. Not that they’re a top 150 team or even close to it but if they’d lost a couple less guys there’s a real chance they could have beat Texas City and gone to at least the 1st round of playoffs this year which for GCCISD football might as well be State for how hard it is for them. You’re spot-on about GCM and RSS coaches. GCM coach is 2-28 over 3 years and RSS coach is 15-45 over 6. Hard to get kids to participate in what they know from the outset is a losing proposition. I watched the GCM/NS Game. I was worried someone would get hurt, felt sick. All 22 of NS starters are high level D1 Commits, QB is 19 years old, and GCM lined up a bunch of Sophomores against them, kids that aren’t even old enough to drive. I know GCCISD wouldn’t ever do it but they really ought to stop insisting that the 3 High Schools play each other for their first 2 out of conference games. At least let GCM out of it. All 3 schools are in different Classifications so the wins don’t matter except for bragging rights around town and with REL winning both those games every season all it does is kill morale before the first District game is even played. Let GCM schedule some OOC games on their level like Houston Sterling/Sam Houston/Chavez for their first 3. That way there’s a good chance even if they lose every District game they could end up 3-7 and if they beat Channelview 4-6. GCM having to lose to RSS and REL to start their season every year is just a killer. You want to know why all the talent at EF Green Jr doesn’t show up at GCM? Because that talent transfers to North Shore after 8th grade is done. Straight-up. They don’t care if you know either. Those kids moms get on Facebook and brag about it. Of course, most of those kids end up so far back on the depth chart that by Sophomore year they want to transfer back just so they can get to play at all but then you run into the eligibility thing. Anyway, sorry for the off-topic tangent, this is a BH thread.

You’re the one talking about Elementary school kids. What I’m saying is that there are kids who play Jr School ball in GCCISD and then transfer into BHISD/GPISD/LPISD/DPISD between 8th and 9th. Doing so means no PAPF/eligibility questionnaire and they get to play Freshman/JV, work out with the team, etc. and look homegrown because they transferred before freshman year. it’s a loophole. All the big programs do it. That’s why the UIL rules changes, to close up the 8th-to-9th transfer portal, and it isn’t even taking effect until Aug 1 2025 so you’ll see these transfers this summer. Also, as far as BHISD being closed instead of open, just look at the GCCISD transfer numbers I posted. GCCISD loses twice as many kids to BHISD per year, the “closed” district, than they do to the open Districts in the area. Anyone who lives here knows folks who’ve used MeeMaw’s address to get their kids in there. It is what it is and if it wasn’t, UIL wouldn’t be changing those rules and sending one of their own to the DECs now would they? Go ask Coach Abseck how many kids in his program are 8th Grade transfers. We know that at North Shore that number is at least 20% because of the numbers they had to provide UIL during their recruiting investigation. I’ll bet BHISD’s numbers are AT LEAST that. Again, THEY ALL DO IT.

REL was 6-4 this season, doing all right in 5A-2. No lie, though, transfers out hurt GCCISD athletics BAD and it’s all sports, not just football. I posted the transfer numbers already and those are straight from GCCISD. I’m no District employee and don’t speak for them, GCCISD made all the info I’ve posted public knowledge ahead of the school consolidations and attendance zone changes they’re going to have to get done this coming Summer, but it’s obvious looking at those numbers what’s going on and again, it’s not like Barber’s Hill is the only one who does this. ALL the successful programs draw in kids from surrounding districts and the real Big Dawgs have drawn in a few from a lot further than that over the years. It’s just going to get a bit harder to do that after next season, that’s all.

Nah, I’m sure they’re clean as a Preacher’s sheets and there’s not a one of those 100 GCCISD kids BHISD gets in every year that’s an athlete. I mean, we’ll know for sure past August because UIL is placing one of their own to look over things in any DEC with a lot of transfers and if there’s one thing BHISD has it’s a lot of transfers.

Well, it’s not like they can build a whole team out of recruits,hahaha! Just look at Faith Family for what happens when you push that envelope too far.

You got a LOT more than that, you’ve got Riceland filling up. GCM is dropping down from 23-6A back down to 5A in ‘26. GCCISD is redrawing attendance zones to make sure of that. At the same time, BH was only about 100 students under the 6A threshold last time UIL drew districts so BH is definitely going up to 6A when those maps get redrawn, probably right into the empty spot in 23-6A GCM is leaving when they drop down.

Like I said, even if it’s only 10% of the 100 kids BHISD takes from GCCISD each year, that’s 10 athletes per year and that’s being generous. You’re right about the jobs with BHISD, BTW. There’s more than 1 athlete from Baytown originally who got transferred to BHISD after a job opened up for Mama.

Here’s a link to another story about it [Hidden Content]

It’s behind a paywall but here’s Baytown Sun’s story on it. It was reported on in other papers statewide so if you search by the date I think you’ll find other stories on it. UIL strengthens student transfer rules By Ron McDowell [email protected] Oct 18, 2024 In order to maintain a level playing field for all member schools, the University Interscholastic League strengthened rules regarding transfer student eligibility at its most recent meeting in Austin. Every year thousands of students transfer schools in the state of Texas. A student’s ability to participate in UIL sanctioned activities may be limited base on the reasons for the transfer. A change in family status, work transfers, enrollment in an academic magnet program, or a move across town, receive scrutiny, but only rarely does one of these reasons result in the loss of eligibility. The only reason to automatically cause the loss of participation eligibility is a transfer for athletic purposes. The current rule, which has been in place since 1981, does not require a Previous Athletic Participation Form (PAPFs) to be submitted if the student-athlete does not participate in a varsity level sport during the first year of enrollment. There has been growing concern among some member schools, that other members are breaking the current rule and creating “super teams” with new transfer enrollees, and that the UIL is not doing enough to police, what appear to be, the inordinate number of transfers among high school athletes. To mitigate these concerns, the UIL approved a proposal to expand the power of the State Executive Committee (SEC) and allow it to investigate schools based upon the number of PAPFs submitted. Schools that submit an inordinate number of PAPFs would face heightened scrutiny and possible public reprimand and future sanctions. The UIL has also changed the requirements for PAPF submission, mandating that the form be submitted before a grade 9-12 transfer student may participate at any level of school athletics. This is a marked departure from the current policy which encourages schools not to complete PAPFs for students who transfer in, if the school believes that the student will not play a varsity sport in the first year the student is enrolled at the new school. Some critics of the current system think that the change doesn’t go far enough. Speaking on background, one local school district source suggested that there should be an automatic year wait for transfer students due to the number of loopholes in the waiver process. “If a student transfers, it should be a year out of competition automatically,” the source said. In addition, the UIL also approved a proposal that gives the SEC the power to appoint an independent administrator to oversee the conduct of the local District Executive Committee (DEC) if it is determined that the DEC is not consistently enforcing the rules of the governing body. The change is significant since all appeals that a school brings, starts and usually ends with the DEC. That includes the determination of transfer student eligibility. It is believed that with the implementation of this change, schools in a UIL district will be less likely to face retribution from the DEC chair and other members. The policy changes will go into effect, Aug. 1, 2025 [Hidden Content]

[Hidden Content] Goose Creek CISD Demographic Study.pdf GCCISD paid a firm called PASA to compile this report ahead of them closing/consolidating some schools and redrawing attendance zones.

I don’t know about any rivalry there because I don’t live there but although LP and DP play in different classifications they still have a lot in common. I mean, both beat Barber’s Hill this year!

Well, those numbers aren’t exactly numbers that Districts want to share. I can tell you that during North Shore’s DEC and SEC hearings over recruiting violations earlier this year it was revealed that although they only had 2-3 High School transfers as starters, Program-wide 20-25% of their kids were Jr High transfers and that percentage was even higher amongst their starters, and I’m sure it’s safe to assume similar numbers in any of the big successful programs that draw talent from surrounding districts/schools. Hence the incoming UIL rule changes 8/1/25 concerning transfers between 8th and 9th, change from “no Varsity” to “no participation at all”, and a UIL employee at any DEC meeting involving Districts with lots of transfers.

Which one is which? LP is Open Enrollment and although BH is technically “closed” by GCCISD’s own admission BH has taken twice as many GCCISD transfers than DP, LP, or NS just in this past year. A LOT of these transfers have been happening in Jr High to avoid PAPF/eligibility questions which is why UIL is tightening things up on transfers between 8th and 9th grades starting in Aug plus sending a UIL rep to observe DEC meetings of Districts with high numbers of transfers in/out. Oh, BTW, Lee was 6-4 this year, while RSS was 3-7 and GCM was 0-10. Neither the RSS or GCM results are surprising but REL did well this year.

How many would want to? UIL SEC banned Faith Family girls basketball from postseason play this year, plus UIL SEC isn’t letting any of these kids play Varsity for Faith Family this year, though they can’t prevent them from playing JV for Faith Family because the new rules don’t take effect until Aug 1 2025. As far as the ones transferring from other schools in Texas, they WILL be given 30 days from the date of their appeal hearing to return to their former schools/teams and if they do so they WILL be eligible to play Varsity if their former Coaches want them.

You didn’t see my earlier comment that everyone in Dirty Bay knows it’s better on the Hill and that if we didn’t love y’all we wouldn’t give you any 💩? If you’re from BH then you know that half of MB has Baytown family/friends so yeah, your poor relations back home in Baytown still care for you even though you moved on up to Riceland and think your 💩 don’t stink.

Tell that to GCCISD. They built their Early College High School right next door to a High School with 200 empty desks.