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Only because my mother used to talk about them. Was born and raised in Beaumont (graduating from Beaumont High School) and went to the games.

Ahhhh, yes…. the straw man again. I remember history in junior high school in the mid 1960s and I never heard anything near a claim that there was no civilization in the Americas before Europeans arrived. When did this become a teaching that Europeans were the first civilization in the Americas? It wasn’t taught 50 years ago when I was in school. The only perpetual lie is that this is being taught. And yes, Columbus did discover that there was a continent that was unknown to Asians, Europeans and Africans. Those continents were connected by land. They were not connected to the Americas. The Columbus voyages started what is known as the Columbian Exchange. Technology, foods, etc. began to be exchanged worldwide whereas much of it was unknown. As an example, today Italian food is widely associated with tomato based foods yet tomatoes came from native Americans. Prior to Columbus, there was no pasta dishes as we know them today. On the other hand, horses which are in many cased associated with some plains Indians in the Americas, came from Europe. There would have been no horse culture among some Native American tribes had it not been for Europeans. Those exchanges of cultures were started by Columbus. For I suppose for woke political purposes, that part of history is ignored.

Who has ever suggested otherwise? It wasn’t simply a one sided affair though. Virtually all slaves brought from Africa were captured and sold by Black Africans. Then in this country, some were bought by Black Africans. So we had Africans capturing Africans purely for profit and ended up selling them as a commodity to Africans. To act like Black Africans’ hands weren’t dirty in the process is ignoring history. If Blacks had not captured Blacks for profit, there would have been no African slave trade in North America.

There is no way to know all history. There have been many local “wars” and skirmishes throughout American history. Footnotes of history in a given area (like SE Texas) would take extensive knowledge like a master’s or doctorate. For every small community in this country, there are likely dozens of interesting stories of what happened in the past and many more lost to history. Not that it is hidden but how many people know that Port Arthur was founded and named for the founder of the Kansas City Southern Railroad? KCS today is trying to link with Canadian Pacific which if it happens, will be the only direct link railway system to join Canada, USA and Mexico. So possibly the most extensive north to south railway system in North America will be directly linked to the founding of Port Arthur, TX. Significant in US history? It should be but it likely won’t be and how many people even in this area know about it? How many people reading this forum? Black history, White history, Mexican history in the USA, etc. is just all history…. about 99.5% of which has been or will be lost.

But he had a more specific name…..

Anyone who commits mass murder is mentally ill. They are almost never insane. Yet again one that goes against “the narrative”.

In Texas and most states, this is probably not an issue, assuming the officers aren’t lying. I am also assuming there is plenty of car and body camera video. From what I read in a couple of different articles, apparently a guy was in a stolen car, the police chased him in a high-speed pursuit, they boxed him in and he rammed a couple of police cars to get away and as officers approached the car the suspect reached for a gun and that is when one officer used his shotgun! But he did not shoot the suspect. The officer hit him in the head with a shotgun in stock (butt stroke) to keep from shooting him. A blow to the head is considered deadly force just like shooting someone. Oh yeah, the gun turned out to be fake. But after the guy commits at least a couple of felonies and then reaches for a gun and gets only hit and taken into custody without serious injuries, it would seem like case closed. Job well done. Under that scenario I think an officer could’ve easily shot and killed the suspect and it would’ve been justified. Now…. If the police administration is just going through the steps to make sure the officers did not lie and did not try to cover up an illegal act and if this incident is as it seems, it should be a short investigation clearing the officer. The news articles mentioned the homicide unit and the district attorney showing up to investigate the officer for deadly force. That is okay but hopefully they are not looking for a police sacrificial lamb to appear more woke. [Hidden Content]

It worked…..

Ha… I just read an article on the chief. She was on one of the network morning shows in 2021 and called for “sweeping changes and police reform” after the George Floyd incident.

I keep reading (including on this website) there is more to the story, etc. Yep, poor hiring practices, police administration and supervision. Count me as not shocked that they may have been implicated on earlier abuse. The city should be taking a hard look at administration starting with the chief.

Then sent to an appeals court and by July we still won’t have a winner…..

I know that you have no counter-point but thanks for playing. Your claimed slow implosion will not sway any voters to the left side of the planet. It might change primary votes to another candidate (unlikely) but that won’t implode the GOP.

In the mid to late 1980s, Miami PD was lowering standards and wanting the push for minority officers. Part of the results was what was later called (I think) the River Cops and possibly others. About 20 or so Hispanic officers were running basically a mafia type operation within the police department. Murder, extortion, robberies, drug sales, etc. It led the discovery of more corruption and abuse. But they got their Spanish speakers…. I think we might be seeing the same thing starting to happen again. Imagine if there was a shortage of doctors and they wanted to target a demographic no matter the qualifications and accepted people who were not qualified in order to fill a slot.

Yeah, I can see the conservatives voting for an uber liberal gun grabber because of a campaign appearance. That mentality would suggest that conservatives and in particular since it is relevant to this thread, pro Second Amendment gun owners, would vote for Biden over Trump because Trump wanted to ban bump stocks that made non-machine guns fire like machine guns. There is no limit to the delusion of the left.

They had likely been getting away with it. They didn’t know that he was going to die.This was discovered due to the outcome, not from a use of force complaint. There seems to be two choices. A. It was a targeted attack because of some history with the deceased. B. It was an arrest that got out of hand but a group of officers that seemed to (choose all that apply): a. Be comfortable using excessive force. b. Were poorly trained and/or supervised. c. Should never have been hired but due to shortages and open/lax hiring policies….

A mental health unit might help from escalating a situation that is reasonably calm. Bullets flying around and guns being pointed tends to end de-escalation

I have seen cases where the verdict doesn’t seem to match the under oath answers in voir dire. An example is a person not believing in the death penalty but doing voir dire it is typically asked if a person can “consider” the full range of punishment. I didn’t know that the state could appeal a punishment.

The only thing that I can figure is that someone in the jury room pitched a fit at the 25 your minimum as a habitual violator and others went along with it. I am sure that the district attorney presented evidence that he was in fact a habitual violator. As you said, the penalty range for a habitual violator is 25-99 years. So at a minimum they had to assess at least 25 years. It seems like they went with only Manslaughter and its 2-20 option and ignored his prior felonies. Of course a jury does not know that but after finding him guilty, they could’ve hung the jury in the penalty phase. There should then be a new trial on the penalty phase only.

Democratic math. Unemployment is how many people are looking for work. It doesn’t include people who aren’t working and aren’t looking. So the spin is that this “lowest unemployment” is not how many people are working as it doesn’t include the people who have simply given up. The percentage of people working today is about 3.5% less than were G Bush left office. So a smaller percentage of the population is working and that is claimed as “lowest since” unemployment. So when people quit working, it is claimed as proof of prosperity.

This is the quoted definition of reckless. (c) A person acts recklessly, or is reckless, with respect to circumstances surrounding his conduct or the result of his conduct when he is aware of but consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the circumstances exist or the result will occur. You can see that is says “he is aware of but consciously disregards” the substantial risk. Criminal negligence quoted is: (d) A person acts with criminal negligence, or is criminally negligent, with respect to circumstances surrounding his conduct or the result of his conduct when he ought to be aware of a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the circumstances exist or the result will occur. You can see the difference is “ought to be aware of” the substantial risk. So reckless is aware of the risk and says to heck with it. Criminal negligence is you should have been paying attention.

A no brainer verdict. Manslaughter in Texas is to recklessly kill a person. The difference between being reckless and criminally negligent is that criminal negligence is a head up your butt accident. An example is a person not paying attention when he should. Being reckless is an intentional accident. That is not a quote but it is the effect of the law. An intentional accident is where a person intentionally committed the dangerous act but the result was an accident. In this case the man intentionally drove an ATV where prohibited. That intentional act caused the death of child. While the accident and death were almost certainly an accident, getting on an ATV, starting the engine and driving where prohibited and where people felt protected, was not an accident. That by definition is reckless. Criminal negligence as an example would be driving down the road legally but not paying attention and accidentally running off the road. There was no intent to run off the road which is the head up your butt accident.

Chesty Puller is reported to have said something like…. They are to our left, they are to our right and they are in front and in back. They have us surrounded. They can’t get away this time!!

That potentially sounds like 1st Degree Murder(Capital Murder under Texas law). I have said it before but premeditated murder in Tennessee is death penalty or life without parole eligible.

Nationally there are about 5 homicides per 100,000 people. Per 100,000 is the way that crime is normally reported. Using murder as an example, if the national average is 5 per hundred thousand, a City the size of Port Arthur should have 2-3 murders per year. Beaumont should average about 6 yet they average about 14. In the last few years, Memphis, Tennessee has been average almost 30 per 100k. That is 600% more than the national average. Extreme? People for some political arguments like to say, crime can happen anywhere. Obviously that is true. The likelihood of crime however, can be astronomically different according to where you are. Locally is a glaring example of that. Tidbits like robberies are 700 per 100k in Memphis, 300/100k in Beaumont and 20/100k in Port Neches. Yes, crime happens everywhere. Memphis seems to among the worst.

Fired and arrested? Does that make this case different since the officer have been held accountable? I will use Wikipedia to refresh my memory on the George Floyd death. Floyd was killed on May 25, 2020. Wikipedia: George Perry Floyd Jr. (October 14, 1973 – May 25, 2020) Officer Chauvin was fired on May 26, 2020 and arrested on May 29, 2020. Wikipedia: He was dismissed by the Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) on May 26 and arrested on May 29. So before most people had ever heard of Floyd, the officer responsible had been terminated and with 3 days, arrested on May 29, 2020. Chauvin was put on trial and convicted less than a year later. So before a majority of people had heard of Floyd, the officer was terminated and with 3 more days, arrested. Protests then started and again according to Wikipedia, caused over one billion dollars in damages and continued for more than a year. Tyre Nichols was brutally beaten on January 7 and died on January 10. The officer were not fired until 10 days later. It took another 6 to make arrests. So let’s compare the cases. In Floyd the officer was fired the next day and arrested only four days after the incident. well, not comparing one wrong being more than another, in Floyd’s case the also leaned on his neck. In the case of Nichols, several officers beat and kick the guy to death. It took about a week and a half before the chief got around to terminating them and another week before they were arrested. So what took four days in the Floyd case, took almost 3 weeks in the Nicholas case. If this is about not being held accountable, which case more clearly demonstrates that? Of course this one has not played out yet but we there likely be a year and a half of protests and over a billion dollars in damages? It seems clear to be selective outrage. I wonder what the differences are in the cases???