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The sheep are the people spitting out mind numbing rhetoric about stats on masks or covid. They should all go graze and go baaaaaa.. baaaaaa... They need to open a thread about do we believe the CDC or do we need to ignore laws so we can have anarchy.

They can refuse service. There is federal civil (United States Code) law that protects people from discrimination if for sex, race, national origin, religion, pregnancy, disability or age.

That does not exempt her from the rules/law.

They would have..... had she simply stepped outside or mask. She had two good choices but she chose the third less than desirable choice.

Yet again, The governor under state law chapter 418 of the government code has the authority to declare an emergency and to require masks or businesses restricted. You do not have to agree but it is within the law. When I just cut your statement to, I don’t like the law. I think the governor for his own political pressure decided to put whether people want to mask on the businesses. It kind of takes the monkey off of his back. But again, it does not matter. That is his lawful decision and he made it. I cannot read his mind but you can feel free to if you wish.

And you ask a hypothetical question, what if more people did the same thing or all at once. I don’t know I’m not the manager of that bank. Maybe they would have the masses against them and they would give up or maybe they would lock the door and let one person in at a time if they were a mask. You would have to ask the bank manager what he would do, not me.

You keep making political arguments and I have not played politics. On page 2 of the governors executive order he specifically said that a private business could enforce mask and trespassing laws apply. You can say it’s fake news, you can say it’s fear mongering or you can call it anything you wish. It is legal, it is a routine trespassing call for police officers for everything else and she was given multiple warnings. She stated there and she stated on the news media interview that her intent was to uphold her rights per the governors order. For one she has no such right and the second thing is, that is not what the governor said. Because she chose to get her news off the Internet, she is in this trouble. I can just about assure you that if this was anything except a mask, you would not be on her side. All we would do is have to change the new story to she came in topless or she was making threatening comments or she was being loud and obnoxious and some of the same people would say good, arrest her. They toss it the word mask and all of a sudden it’s something else.

Her contract with the bank doesn’t mention masks. It probably doesn’t mention clothing either. What does that have to do with anything? I will answer this again since a couple of times doesn’t seem to be enough. There is no contract that allows her access to the bank lobby with no rules. The Americans with Disabilities Act says that you can deny access if it is for safety of other patrons of the business but even in this case, she made no such claim of a disability. Her only stance was and is, I don’t have to. If they denied a person access because the person was in a wheelchair or walked with crutches, that would violate the ADA because it cannot have an effect on someone else. She was denied for not wearing a mask which is a health concern for other people. The bank is required to make reasonable accommodations. That could be walking up to a drive through since she claimed to be pulling a rig or they could have brought the papers outside to her. But again, she never claimed that she couldn’t wear a mask, only that she didn’t have to comply. Her response should have been to leave and discuss it outside. She chose instead to violate the law, which she already had before the officer arrived. Even on the police body cam, she was making no contractual demand. She said the governor told her through his executive order that she could stay. She was wrong, the officer told her she was wrong and she could have stepped outside to discuss it. She chose to stand on her ignorant of the law ground. There is no constitutional or Texas legal grounds for her to demand being on that property. But I can feel the response that coming.... what if you don’t like the law...

I haven’t skated anything. I have answered the same question twice in the previous page. I will answer it again. She did not violate any law prior to trespassing. There is no legal requirement to justify telling someone not to be on your property. There is no requirement to tell the person, officer or DA the reason.

That part always seems to go over the heads of some people. I have seen so many threads on this topic and people get emotional about “liberty!”..... Yet completely ignore the liberty of private property. Conservatives/libertarians that claim to want less government intervention (and I agree) in this case want the government to step in and force a private property owner to not control access to their own property. I wonder if they believe it should be that way at their home. Anyone that wants to come in, can and you cannot stop them or set rules.

Not in his world. If some people don’t like laws, it is a slippery slope. I see quite a few slippery slope comments on various forums. Many of the claimed ss situations happened many years ago. One like the SCOTUS decision that agrees with a state’s right (10th Amendment) to force vaccines is over 100 years old. That ss must take a while to gather momentum...

Ok, in your opinion l it is an overreach, they are all laughing in the back room, nobody’s wearing masks, the cops don’t lose their jobs over draconian rules, the governor is a rino… And she has likely about to do time in the county jail. You might call that a fantasy.

I can only think of one law that requires you to break another law before the first law comes into play. That is failure to identify. The law in Texas says that you do not have to give your name, address or date of birth to a police officer unless the police officer has arrested you. In order to lawfully take you in custody for failure to identify under refusing to give information, the officer first had to be arrest you for another crime.

There is no such thing as a law requiring a person to violate another law before you tell somebody to leave your property. That is utterly ridiculous. Private property is private property. That bank is no different than your living room. I cannot come into your home without your permission and I cannot stay there without your permission. If I come over to watch the ball game and you didn’t ask me to leave, I cannot demand the right to stay there. If you call the police and have me thrown out or arrested what is the police officer going to do? Is he going to ask you, but what law has he violated? Yiu are making up or asking about laws that do not exist. The trespass law has been posted. It doesn’t say you were given a warning not to trespass and you violated another law. in fact the Texas law goes as far as to say that you have already been given a warning not to come out to the property here for example there is purple paint on trees no more than 100 feet apart, they are crops ready for harvesting with or without offense, offense intended to keep in cattle, a sign, etc. These are all considered that you have been warned and they do not require another law other than the fact that you were warned.

I realize if you would like to make up your own laws Texas law says it if you’re on property and fail to leave after being toody or have been given notice, you are guilty of criminal trespass. I think the actual law has been posted on here a couple of times. You can choose to ignore it if you wish but it is a lot. As the saying goes, you’re entitled to your opinion but you’re not entitled to your own facts. The fact is she was told to leave several times by management and the officer. She refused. That is criminal trespass in Texas. A couple of days later after she got out of jail, she got on television and stated exactly the same thing. She was told to leave and she refused in her own words. Basically she confessed to the crime.

Public access has nothing to do with trespassing. Private property does. She broke the law, did it on camera and then got on a news interview and stated that she did it. I guess even her admission is not enough when you don’t like the argument.

Like I said, you are making a political argument because you don’t like masks. Great. She is still absolutely wrong by any legal stretch that anyone can come up with. She should have been locked up again for trespassing in Texas City. The reason that she wasn’t was the police took the easy way out (understandably) and merely serve the warrant on her from Galveston. That saves an awful lot of paperwork. Just serve the warrant all the also had to do was drop the woman off at the jail. That probably saved about two or three hours well she was able to do something else and deal with this idiot. I actually expect you to ignore my posts. You have no valid argument in response. Oh, except, I don’t like masks.

For the people who say that the police should not have been called, what were the other options open to the bank? The first was allow her to stay against their rules. The other is to put their hands on her and physically remove her. Chapter 9 of the penal code says that you could use any force necessary to remove a person who is trespassing from your property except deadly force. Of course at the bank had done that then people would be up in arms claiming that she was assaulted. That would not be the case but that would be the claim. The last option which is what they chose, was for the bank to call the police and report a crime in progress. if a person came to visit any of you at your own home but then started an argument inside of the home, should you just allow them to stay there if they refuse to leave? Do you call the police? Or do you kick the persons butt and throw them out which is what the law says you can do? if this is a waste of police, then the police could quit responding to about 90% of what they respond to today. This case is all about freedom. It is the freedom of a private property owner to control his whole property. It does not matter if masks work or not, it does not matter if Covid is a hoax, it does not matter if Dr. Fauci is telling the truth and nothing else matters except the private property rights of the owner or manager. All the rest is a political smokescreen because some people don’t like an owner controlling his own property.

Absolutely!!! In the public or on your own property… Of which she was at neither.

The people in charge at the bank told her to put on a mask and she said no. The police showed up and again told her to put on the mask and she said no. I counted at least 11 times that he told her she had no lawful right to be there without a mask, she had to put it on or leave, she would be arrested if she did not leave, etc. She then drove a few miles to Texas City a couple days later and did the exact same thing at Home Depot. At what point do you think that other people telling her, who were not in authority, would change her mind?

About 95% of police calls are for what you said was “this crap”.

It was not very violent however she broke the law of criminal trespass and maybe resisting arrest or evading detention. it is hard to tell from the body cam footage.

And that has what to do with private property or trespassing?

Exactly what freedom are you giving up on another person’s private property?