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Defund the police comes from an overthrow tactic used since Marx. If you say something enough times, people will start to believe it. You can call it brainwashing, indoctrination, re-education or whatever. In some ways it is almost like the Stockholm Syndrome where hostages start siding with the criminals that take them hostage and threaten their lives. The police are not the problem in any neighborhood but they are portrayed to be such for political gain. Like in the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, MO. It was put out as a story that he was surrendering on his knees. The facts, witnesses and physical evidence completely refuted that claim. The US Department of Justice and the FBI spent a year and a few million dollars and ended up with the same conclusion that the county DA did in a few days. That was there was no evidence of wrongdoing by the officer. The police were not the problem there either yet it caused nationwide riots. Even with this defund the police mantra we need to ask ourselves, does the Black community feel the same way as they are portrayed? Do the protesters represent the entire Black community? Let’s see what the Gallup Poll survey says about that in a poll released in August 2020. [Hidden Content] According to Gallup 81% of Blacks want as much police presence “or more”. Compare that to 88% of Whites and 83% of Hispanics. That seems like very similar options especially considering the beating that the police receive in the press in the Black community. Maybe even more telling is that 20% of Blacks and 24% of Hispanics want “more”’ police in they neighborhoods as opposed to 17% of Whites. So the minority communities (who the narrative is that hate the police), actually wants more of them than the White population. I can guarantee from experience, those minority communities in most cases already have a larger police presence and yet they want more. I am glad that they want more but that isn’t the narrative put out by the media who gets clicks and money by controversy and some segments that promote their own political status. From Gallup I believe it shows what I think, that there is very little differences in communities but there is no benefit to saying that in some people’s opinions. In fact it hurts some political opinions to say, we are pretty much all the same. If you look at the Gallup survey, you will find what I believe. People have very little differences and want the same things regardless of race or community including a police presence. The problem comes from people that go to great lengths to try and convince others that they are different and that “they” (elected or unelected political figures) are the answer. The only thing they are the answer to is their own power. In my opinion....
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From what I just read on the Texas legislature website, both houses passed the amended bill which means it now sits on the governor’s desk.
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I “think” that I read the final version of the bill and most of the Senate amendments stayed put. When I read them several days ago I didn’t understand the uproar other than just politics. Some people said that the Senate was trying to KILL THE BILL with these horrible amendments! I read them and thought that most were good or needed and others could go either way but weren’t bad Here goes with the Senate amendments that stayed... 1. The free online classes on gun safety that are NOT mandatory stayed. 2. A felon in possession of a firearm penalty was increased from a 2-10 year sentence (3rd degree felony) to 5-20 (2nd degree felony). 3. In addition to a felon in possession or a person convicted of family (domestic) violence from being prohibited from carrying, they added assault with injuries, terroristic threat or disorderly conduct with a firearm (if within the previous 5 years) from lawfully carrying. 4. Removed the House prohibition from having an officer question a person based solely on the open carried handgun. 5. Kept the Senate amendment of the wording of trespassing on a business property... "Pursuant to Section 46.03, Penal Code (places weapons prohibited), a person may not carry a firearm or other weapon on this property". This doesn’t leave it to the discretion of an officer but spells out what a warning is So basically almost all of the Senate amendments stayed if I read the correct final version. The bill also changed the language of a shoulder or belt holster like under the LTC to simply a “holster”.
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Why can’t people just obey Police Officers orders?
tvc184 replied to Realville's topic in Political Forum
Awesome. It is always great to see someone make it to the finish line!! -
Why can’t people just obey Police Officers orders?
tvc184 replied to Realville's topic in Political Forum
I wish these big cities would completely do away with the police or that the office themselves would walk off the job. I have talk to police officers all over the country and most of them would however obviously, they need a paycheck. I have been on a forum with almost 60,000 police officers and just say there was an attempted mass exodus from certain areas would be an understatement. Most of the officers have families and obviously cannot simply quit but if we don’t think they are looking to go elsewhere, we are sorely mistaken. Officers in Washington, Oregon, California and other places are looking to go to the south or the west I am doing so in droves. we might have all seen news articles where a particular police department has lost so many officers in the last year for retirement and resignations. What the news reports do not cover and they simply cannot find out the truth (because individual officers aren’t making it public) is how many ounces would leave if given the opportunity. I know at my police department and I’m sure most, there is always information on which officers are seeking employment elsewhere. At certain times it can be a fairly significant percentage. The officers are not wanting to give up the job but the location and public support of a particular location. So I wish that the cities that claim they don’t need the police or need way fewer of them, get their wish. I am positive that they are not going to like the results. Some cities have already found that out. -
The problem is that there is no inherent right to information. It has to be written into the law. The federal government and each state has its own laws on freedom of information. They are definitely not the same. In Texas there are things that must be released upon request, things that may be released upon request but not mandatory and things that cannot be released. i’ll give you an example on Texas law. Under Texas civil service law The only thing that the state recognizes as punishment for police officers is a suspension. Punishment (suspension) is part of a public record. All of the corrective actions are sealed and private. Even when a police officer is terminated it is called an indefinite suspension. So if an officer gets a letter in his file of a reprimand, it is not public. If he has his duty assignment changed or the shift that he works changed because of a discipline issue, it is not public and is protected information. If it rises to the level of a suspension, then it becomes public. That is an example where the law says you cannot release information but under certain conditions you must release the information. Another example under Texas law is the making of a police call for service. If a person calls the police, if the police make a traffic stop or any other type of official police contact, it is public record. How far that public record goes is the issue however. The fact that a person called the police is public including the person’s name (if known) and the address the police went to and the general complaint. An example would be a person calling the police to report his home had been broken into over the weekend. What the police did there if they made a police report can be protected however. If the police made a report or investigation, the public part would be the location, the accused crime or incident and the victim’s name. The details of the report however can be protected. That is why the news media in many cases cannot give details of a crime being reported by them because the police do not have to release the information and in most cases will not. Releasing such information tends to hamper the investigation and by law can kill a confession or the information used at a criminal trial. So while it is not illegal to release the information to the public, it could make the investigation very difficult particularly in the area of confessions. Those are just examples of how the law differs according to where you were at. Apparently the federal law covering Washington DC has not yet required the police release that information. I am sure that media sources have filed legal issues in reference to this to see if the government is complying with the law. I know in my Police Department (and probably all) we get freedom of information requests all the time and turn it over to the legal department to see if The information can be released.or if we have the option of privacy. I don’t see how policy is protected but without knowing the law in Washington DC, I simply do not know.
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This was all orchestrated in the old smoke filled room scenarios from the old days to get Harris into the presidency.
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But getting away from the media’s misrepresentation which is normal, they are interesting articles.
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Headlines and reporting… The subheadlines in their first article says that the Spanish flu did not originate in Spain. Then you read the article and it says… Well, it may have originated in Spain but we don’t know. If you don’t know, why the headlines? could the headlines have read… Spanish flu is of uncertain origin? Nahhhh..... that might get less clicks..
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I am not going against your opinion which is OK but the current license to carry law has no firearms training either. If the premise of this bill being bad is it there is no training, well… there is none before this.
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Statewide Ban On Homeless Encampments Approved By Texas Senate!
tvc184 replied to Reagan's topic in Political Forum
It is an interesting deal but reading it, it would be hard to enforce or will not be enforced in most cases. -
But again, the current LTC has no firearms training. While training may not be a bad thing, it is currently not required and a couple of million Texans have the LTC and most have no firearms training. What does this law change other than the tax to carry?
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For the people that you speak of, and they definitely exist, do you think a four hour gun class will actually change anything? The current mandated training doesnot cover the handling or shooting of firearms.
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This is just my opinion from talking with police officers face-to-face and on social media. An overwhelming percentage of police officers are for gun rights, period. An overwhelming percentage of police administrators (sheriffs, chiefs, etc.) are against gun rights.
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For the last several legislative sessions (once every two years) at least one member of the Texas legislature has submitted a bill commonly called “constitutional carry” or basically carrying a handgun without any kind of license required. It normally does not get much traction however it has pushed Texas from the no handgun allowed to open carry with a license. Going back in history, basically since the Civil War Texas has not allowed the carrying of handguns in public. In the early 1990s the Texas legislature passed a concealed handgun license bill however Ann Richards vetoed it. That was significant. The significance of it was that she was defeated in the next election because of that and it ushered in the era of George W. Bush. That in turn propelled him to the presidency. Thanks Ann!! But back on topic… I believe in 1995 the legislature again passed a concealed handgun license and this time George Bush, as promised, signed the law. Texas for the first time since The Civil War allowed civilians to carry handguns in public. That original law required about a 16 hour class and a $240 license which like a drivers license had to be renewed every few years. The handgun had to be concealed and there were other limitations on locations such as not in hospitals, large amusement parks, racetrack, etc. For the most part however, a person wishing to take the class and pay the fees, could carry a handgun for protection. Over the years they have slowly eased up on the requirements and fees. Then they passed the license to carry which now allowed open carry a handgun as well as concealed. They have eventually reduced the licensing fee to I believe $40 now and reduce the class from two days to only four hours. Basically if you had four hours and a very few dollars, you could openly or concealed carry a handgun in Texas. The Texas legislature is back in session which began in the first week of January and ends in about 10 days. Like normal for the last few sessions, a bill was submitted to carry a handgun without a license or constitutional carry. It is just my opinion but I believe this year was different because of the national Democrats making such a move to get rid of gun rights. I believe that spurred some legislators to move forward where in past sessions they have not. The Constitutional carry bill (HB1927) went through the House of Representatives fairly easily (with no Dem support) and was then sent to the Senate. There it met some opposition even from the Republicans. It wasn’t so much opposition as it was wanting to tweak the bill by adding amendments. The Texas Senate then passed the bill however they added several amendments to it. I’m sure everyone knows the procedure but when the two houses pass similar bills, it cannot become law. Both houses must pass a Word for Word same bill for it to go to the governor. What happens if they are not exactly the same? It then goes to a committee and has conferees from both houses to see if they can work out a compromise that both will support. So the Senate Bill with its amendments went back to the House and they rejected Senate version of the bill. Eight days ago it was sent to the conferees to try to work out a compromise however the session is going to end in a few days. Well, late yesterday afternoon they reached an agreement that they believe they can get through both houses. I have not seen the final version yet because they have not posted it but I am assuming that some of the Senate amendments will remain (and having read them, I think that is a good thing). HB1927 is scheduled to be brought to a vote next week in both houses and I believe there’s about a 98% chance of it passing. The bill can still be killed but I think this is the year it will finally pass. The governor has already said that if the bill passes, he will sign it. Meaning?? Probably on September 1 of this year, people in Texas who are at least 21 years of age and have not been convicted of a felony or domestic violence or are ian illegal alien, can carry a concealed handgun or openly carry one as long as it is in a holster and can do so with no license, permit or school required.
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Why can’t people just obey Police Officers orders?
tvc184 replied to Realville's topic in Political Forum
Yes it is. Almost 4 decades of almost unimaginable sights that the public can only guess at and a frequency most most people did not know exists. In a department that averages 8-9 officers per shift, I have been to over 1,000 death scenes from all causes (several children), in the hospital maybe 6 times in the line of duty, 5 shooting incidents where I shot at someone, was shot at up close enough to actually see the gun pointing at me or my partner killing a guy about 10 feet from me, talked to people as they were dying, a few high speed chases including drive by shooting suspects, undercover operations, probably over 50, 000 contacts with the public, participated in more than 10,000 arrests, 10 years on swat, 30 years of teaching at the police academy............. I could go on but yes it becomes ingrained. A couple of weeks before I retired I ran into this post on Facebook. It was completely accidental but almost appropriate. Another officer in a police only forum was asking what it was like to retire because he had a couple of days to go or something like that. I was only a few days behind him and there were plenty of usual responses such as congratulations, you will love it, it will take a while but you will “eventually” wonder why you didn’t do it earlier, welcome to the club and so on. One said this however and I saved it..... >>>>>Author unknown; When Cops Retire When a good cop leaves the 'job' and retires to a better life, many are jealous, some are pleased and yet others, who may have already retired, wonder. We wonder if he knows what he is leaving behind, because we already know. We know, for example, that after a lifetime of camaraderie that few experience, it will remain as a longing for those past times. We know in the law enforcement life there is a fellowship which lasts long after the uniforms are hung up in the back of the closet . We know even if he throws them away, they will be on him with every step and breath that remains in his life. We also know how the very bearing of the man speaks of what he was and in his heart still is. These are the burdens of the job. You will still look at people suspiciously, still see what others do not see or choose to ignore and always will look at the rest of the law enforcement world with a respect for what they do; only grown in a lifetime of knowing. Never think for one moment you are escaping from that life. You are only escaping the 'job' and merely being allowed to leave 'active' duty. So what I wish for you is that whenever you ease into retirement, in your heart you never forget for one moment that 'Blessed are the Peacemakers for they shall be called children of God,' and you are still a member of the greatest fraternity the world has ever known. There are those that think they understand. And then . . . There are cops.<<<<< -
Why can’t people just obey Police Officers orders?
tvc184 replied to Realville's topic in Political Forum
Thanks. It is tough to walk away from. -
Why can’t people just obey Police Officers orders?
tvc184 replied to Realville's topic in Political Forum
I appreciate it. -
Why can’t people just obey Police Officers orders?
tvc184 replied to Realville's topic in Political Forum
Thank you. I just ended my run two weeks ago, 37 years and (almost) 4 months. The things we see..... -
Why can’t people just obey Police Officers orders?
tvc184 replied to Realville's topic in Political Forum
The toughest part was waiting so long to shoot. I think legally the officer could have simply opened fire while the guy was holding her at knife point. There is no legal requirement to wait until he starts the motion forward with the blade, a requirement to negotiate or anything else. The threat was made, the weapon was displayed and he was standing in position to carry out the threat. The officer used good tactics in trying to de-escalate the situation but is my opinion it put the woman in more danger by allowing the man to possibly carry out the threat under the mantra of political correctness . Now officers have to risk their own lives and of victims by trying to talk a guy down who is in position to carry out a deadly threat. Here is a question I would like to ask for people that think the police such as this situation, handled it wrong. At what point should the police hold back from using force at the risk of an innocent person being killed? it is a sad position that some groups and some politicians have put the police in the position to not protect innocent victims. Overall it was an awesome job by the police officers on scene and particularly the one leading in front. They followed all of the current wishful thinking protocol to try to talk to person into surrendering, which is great, but in my opinion should not be done when it risks an innocent person‘s life. Is one thing for the officer to be in danger but their job is to protect the innocent first. This woman was obviously the victim. Way to go, Thin Blue Line. -
This guy started off making bogus claims. Then he went on to make statements that did not exist in the ruling and completely misrepresent authorities of the police. Again, this is political spin. It absolutely was not a 2A case and had nothing to do with gun rights. In fact, the police could have legally seized the guns in a different manner but chose what they incorrectly saw as an easier solution. Basically you had a couple of officers that lied to the woman to gain entry into the house. According to the SCOTUS ruling, the police told the woman that her husband said they could go in to retrieve the guns. She said okay thinking that her husband had given consent. In fact it was the opposite and he told them NOT to take his guns. The officers’ lie tripped up their easy plan. They were stupid. A unanimous Court said so. There is nothing landmark about this decision except to uphold several previous decisions which have said there must be an emergency. In this case there was no emergency. They guy was in the hospital and his wife was home alone asking for no assistance. Where was any emergency? There wasn’t and that was all this ruling. This is a quote in the opening paragraph (not buried later in the decision) from the actual decision by Justice Thomas: “The question today is whether Cady’s (prior SCOTUS decision) acknowledgment of these “caretaking” duties creates a standalone doctrine that justifies warrant- less searches and seizures in the home. It does not.”. Notice that it does not mention firearms. Why? As the quote states, it is about warrantless searches and seizures.... not firearms. ANYTHING seized by the officers in this case would have been thrown out as the entry was unlawful. The police could have seized a Twinkie stolen from a local convenience store and it would have been unlawful. It wouldn’t then be a Twinkie case. The headlines in the spin media wouldn’t proclaim, “Supreme Court rules that Twinkies cannot be seized as the Court upholds pastry rights”. Because... it wouldn’t be about Twinkies but unlawful entry. The guy in this video (like the original article in the OP) started off by talking red flag laws Yet again, this decision doesn’t mention or decide any red flag law. Unfortunately this guy on the same side of the aisle as me is either suffering from very little legal knowledge or he is so eaten up with his own rhetoric that he is intentionally making false statements. Either way......