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That is great however the current administration is doing everything they can to take the guns out of the hands of the people. So by state law you can legally carry in IA but I would not doubt if soon, it would be illegal by federal law There are people in this forum and the others that say, the Democrats are not trying to take your guns. if anyone believes that, I just acquired the Statue of Liberty and somebody can make me an offer.

It was a vote for the rule of law. I envision the way it is being talked about like it is William Wallace screaming “FREEDOM!!!”. The governor from what I have read, exceeded his authority. It doesn’t matter what political party he is in, he did something that his state law did not allow. I am glad that the Supreme Court of Wisconsin upheld the law as it is written. That is the way it should be. When a state does have a law unlike Wisconsin, which gives the governor unlimited powers to extend an emergency, I think the same people that cheer the Wisconsin Supreme Court upholding the law will want the Supreme Courts in those states to not go by the law. That is kind of contradictory.

And the article states exactly that. In his state he can only issue a 60 day mandatory order without legislative approval. He did not get that approval so even though he had the authority to order masks, that expired 60 days later. Texas for example does not have that law. I believe the wording of the Texas law says that the governor can renew it until he decides otherwise. Now a mayor in Texas under the same emergency chapter, must have approval from the city council after the initial order.

Actually it was a vote for the law. Apparently in that state the governor has limited authority on what he can declare an emergency. I would be willing to bet that it is addressed almost immediately or whenever they have their next legislative session. The Supreme Court only ruled on statutory law. It was not a vote for freedom.

It has been compared to the flu probably 1 million times. We know the death rate from the flu or supposedly. So the same question, how many millions of people a year get the flu and never get reported? I can just about guarantee that I have had the flu at least twice and I never went to the doctor.

A different bank at a different location. Why do some restaurants have a dress code and others do not? Surely this concept is not that hard to understand.

😂 I was thinking the same thing....

I have not taken the vaccine yet and probably will not. But I might contemplated it in the future. My wife has already taken the first dose and needs to go back next week for the second round. I normally get the flu vaccine every year and then one year I missed it because I was out of the area when they gave it free at work. I got the flu that year during hurricane Rita. This was when the entire area was evacuated and there were no medical facilities open yet. That was possibly the most sick I have ever felt in my life.

Years of lying allows a person to do that with a straight face.

Got to love that he was arrested for..... Criminal Trespass.

The CDC odds of catching anything from licked ice cream is 0.00001%.

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The sheep are the people spitting out mind numbing rhetoric about stats on masks or covid. They should all go graze and go baaaaaa.. baaaaaa... They need to open a thread about do we believe the CDC or do we need to ignore laws so we can have anarchy.

They can refuse service. There is federal civil (United States Code) law that protects people from discrimination if for sex, race, national origin, religion, pregnancy, disability or age.

That does not exempt her from the rules/law.

They would have..... had she simply stepped outside or mask. She had two good choices but she chose the third less than desirable choice.

Yet again, The governor under state law chapter 418 of the government code has the authority to declare an emergency and to require masks or businesses restricted. You do not have to agree but it is within the law. When I just cut your statement to, I don’t like the law. I think the governor for his own political pressure decided to put whether people want to mask on the businesses. It kind of takes the monkey off of his back. But again, it does not matter. That is his lawful decision and he made it. I cannot read his mind but you can feel free to if you wish.

And you ask a hypothetical question, what if more people did the same thing or all at once. I don’t know I’m not the manager of that bank. Maybe they would have the masses against them and they would give up or maybe they would lock the door and let one person in at a time if they were a mask. You would have to ask the bank manager what he would do, not me.

You keep making political arguments and I have not played politics. On page 2 of the governors executive order he specifically said that a private business could enforce mask and trespassing laws apply. You can say it’s fake news, you can say it’s fear mongering or you can call it anything you wish. It is legal, it is a routine trespassing call for police officers for everything else and she was given multiple warnings. She stated there and she stated on the news media interview that her intent was to uphold her rights per the governors order. For one she has no such right and the second thing is, that is not what the governor said. Because she chose to get her news off the Internet, she is in this trouble. I can just about assure you that if this was anything except a mask, you would not be on her side. All we would do is have to change the new story to she came in topless or she was making threatening comments or she was being loud and obnoxious and some of the same people would say good, arrest her. They toss it the word mask and all of a sudden it’s something else.

Her contract with the bank doesn’t mention masks. It probably doesn’t mention clothing either. What does that have to do with anything? I will answer this again since a couple of times doesn’t seem to be enough. There is no contract that allows her access to the bank lobby with no rules. The Americans with Disabilities Act says that you can deny access if it is for safety of other patrons of the business but even in this case, she made no such claim of a disability. Her only stance was and is, I don’t have to. If they denied a person access because the person was in a wheelchair or walked with crutches, that would violate the ADA because it cannot have an effect on someone else. She was denied for not wearing a mask which is a health concern for other people. The bank is required to make reasonable accommodations. That could be walking up to a drive through since she claimed to be pulling a rig or they could have brought the papers outside to her. But again, she never claimed that she couldn’t wear a mask, only that she didn’t have to comply. Her response should have been to leave and discuss it outside. She chose instead to violate the law, which she already had before the officer arrived. Even on the police body cam, she was making no contractual demand. She said the governor told her through his executive order that she could stay. She was wrong, the officer told her she was wrong and she could have stepped outside to discuss it. She chose to stand on her ignorant of the law ground. There is no constitutional or Texas legal grounds for her to demand being on that property. But I can feel the response that coming.... what if you don’t like the law...

I haven’t skated anything. I have answered the same question twice in the previous page. I will answer it again. She did not violate any law prior to trespassing. There is no legal requirement to justify telling someone not to be on your property. There is no requirement to tell the person, officer or DA the reason.

That part always seems to go over the heads of some people. I have seen so many threads on this topic and people get emotional about “liberty!”..... Yet completely ignore the liberty of private property. Conservatives/libertarians that claim to want less government intervention (and I agree) in this case want the government to step in and force a private property owner to not control access to their own property. I wonder if they believe it should be that way at their home. Anyone that wants to come in, can and you cannot stop them or set rules.

Not in his world. If some people don’t like laws, it is a slippery slope. I see quite a few slippery slope comments on various forums. Many of the claimed ss situations happened many years ago. One like the SCOTUS decision that agrees with a state’s right (10th Amendment) to force vaccines is over 100 years old. That ss must take a while to gather momentum...

Ok, in your opinion l it is an overreach, they are all laughing in the back room, nobody’s wearing masks, the cops don’t lose their jobs over draconian rules, the governor is a rino… And she has likely about to do time in the county jail. You might call that a fantasy.

I can only think of one law that requires you to break another law before the first law comes into play. That is failure to identify. The law in Texas says that you do not have to give your name, address or date of birth to a police officer unless the police officer has arrested you. In order to lawfully take you in custody for failure to identify under refusing to give information, the officer first had to be arrest you for another crime.