tvc184

Yep

I never much considered racism up until now. I thought it was a vigilante trying to take the law into his own hands. I loon at these things in black and white and I am not taking about race. I read and teach the law and frequently read laws from other states. I try to avoid the emotional side and simple ask, what evidence do we know about and then compare that to the law. Every time new information is released, I reevaluate my opinion. On another forum I posted on l before this one, I called it Murder based on what I read and saw and on reading GA law. That was before any arrests were made. That was subject to change with new information. All of the new information kept my original opinion in place.

I have never heard of using a knee to the head or neck as a means of controlling a person. I am not saying in a fight you won’t use any means available up to deadly force if necessary but as a trained technique of control, I have never heard of it and in my 37th year.

I don’t think the knee got him in much trouble for a minute or so. Several minutes after Floyd had quit moving? Animosity or not......

Fight with him 3 minutes after he was unconscious... in handcuffs... with at least 4 other cops with him?

This was your post on the opening comment on this thread.... “Once again, the narrative has turned to the epidemic of unarmed young black men being gunned down by racists. I've gotta cry foul on this one”. I believe that we have recently learned that the video guy actually used his pickup to help cut Arbery off so was directly involved in the incident. Then the video guy gave a statement that has McMichael calling Arbery the ultimate racial slur AFTER killing him. Then McMichael tells the police that he didn’t know if Arbery stole anything but basically he looked suspicious. McMichael’s justification to the police was that he had a “gut feeling”. The third post in the thread I pretty much called it BS. I think that I will stick with my original stance. Perhaps the most troubling thing is that the local DA almost saw nothing with investigating. I saw enough from behind an iPhone screen. Things that make you go hmmmmm.....

Yeah but you equate s civil rights organizations with not having the best interest of all students but dismiss an NRA member as not a factor. Every time there is a school shooting, the NRA catches grief of putting too much pressure on lawmakers to maje guns to easy to access. No matter how you look at it, many people blame the NRA rightly or wrongly for shootings. You are doing the same for the NAACP.

If a board member is a member of the NRA, is that a conflict of interest and is he against stopping gun violence in schools?

Our phone (like all attaches to a cord and had a rotary dial) was RAndoph 2-0747 in Nederland. i think my father’s work number in PA was YUkon 5-2394.

No. We don’t offer sacrifices. Assuming that his lawyers can show that there is no crime proven beyond a reasonable doubt, he should walk and will. I don’t think that will happen (I think there will be enough to show that the officer at least contributed) but it is how it should be.

I watched him tell obvious lies on national television. His conclusion was, it can’t be determined. Well... yes it can and was. Baden said that from the angle of the bullets it could have happened 3 direct ways. That is true.... if you ignore the rest of the scene. To not tell the entire story in order to stir up controversy is a lie. Baden lied.

Baden will say what you want him to say. I saw him on FNC say that he couldn’t tell if Michael Brown has his hands up. He could tell because the crime scene diagrams and photos should what happened. Baden ignored what didn’t fit his case. Be cherry picks what he needs to make bus case.

Going by Texas law, there are specifically stated uses of deadly force for protection of property only. A person “may” be able to use df for property however the statements that looters can be shot because they are committing theft is not correct. officer: why did You shoot him? shooter: he was stealing. OOPS!!

I read all 20 something witness statements from that case and I think one person backed up Whitehead’s side of events. The others either agreed with Arnold or didn’t agree with him but gave information that backed his version. Like, the officer was wrong and he.. then went on to describe the incident which backed the officer. Those statements were like, I disagree with the officer, because he is a cop or shot my friend... but this is what I saw. I have taken two statements against officers in my career where the witnesses literally said, the officer was wrong, then went on to state facts that made the officer correct.

It depends on where you work and what reporting requirements they have. Is it a “complaint” or just a use of force. Our current use of force (called response to resistance) is documented any time we use any force other than just the suspect submitting to being handcuffed. If that was in place when I first started (36+ years ago), I would have had a use of force almost every week and sometimes more than one a night. Or are try taking about an actual complaint like a person or officer actually filed an excessive force complaint. I have been involved in more than one shooting incident and been to the hospital multiple times in the line of duty and think I have had one complaint that I used to much force. Strangely, in that case I used no force but made what I thought was a reasonable threat. His complaint was roughly, the officer told me that if I tried to hurt him (me), he was going to hurt me worse. Yes, that was the actual complaint... kind of cleaned up for language. So in this case, that is a lot of outside complaints if it is for improper force. It doesn’t mean that he didn’t use lawful force but it would beat looking into.

Yanez shot a man who was reaching for a gun and still got indicted for murder. Noor shot ac woman who called 911. As she was walking up to the police car without any provocation she was shot and killed. You are comparing apples to something other than a fruit.

Where is this that looters can be shot?

That is something that I questioned. At the very least, sit him upright. I have been involved in thousands of arrests including some very violent incidents. I agree with you, go straight to a car. On occasion we leave them outside but never restraining them to the ground. If they continue to be violent, off to the car they go.

It takes care of votes… Not the needy.

A contract can guarantee almost anything however I worked for several years without a contract. Police have been placed on administrative leave for decades before contracts even existed , first because they were not convicted of anything or In some cases even accused and also for public safety and/or perception. In other words, for safety we are not going to take any chances and put the officer on the desk. Many Police Departments do not have contracts and some states might deny them. In Texas only the police and firefighters can have contracts. In some states any public workers can have a contract however Texas is not like that. What happens in New York might have absolutely nothing to do with what happens in Texas. For the most part, contracts guarantee s fair heating and do not dictate rules and regulations. Most agencies have an appeals process but the appeal is back to the people that disciplined the officer in the first place. Ours is to an outside/out of state arbitrator by contract.

Wait, a school board member is in a civil rights organization???

No. The union is a private entity and not government funded. In fact this kind of incident is exactly what the union lawyer (or any lawyers) are for.

I was chastised for listing my experience.....

Here is my pondering about the incident. A man is killed and within 24 hours of it happening, Before any investigations is anywhere near complete, the chief apparently has fired officers that were even standing there. They might have had no involvement in the death but they didn’t step in. The president called for a stepped up FBI investigation and the one officer will likely be indicted for murder. Exactly what do the rioters want? This has been the quickest action that I ever recall for any officer involved death and it was sweeping with every officer being terminated immediately. What would the protesters think should have been a better response?

You can speak less than life sustaining breath.