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I can see a not guilty or at the most some kind of manslaughter.

Yet again you play the "yall" game. Judge everyone by a single or a few but do not want to be judged by the same standard. I have seen so many people video me and other officers that I probably can't count them all. I have stopped other officers that have tried to keep people from filming by moving them far away. Most officers that I work with now know that they can be videoed at any time and simply accept it. As a supervisor I am the first one to get complaints and many times the first thing that the officer says is look at my video.

Or not happening more and maybe less but with the 24 hour news cycle, political agendas and social media........

It is all media driven. Unfortunately many people watch unending news coverage of some incident and are led to believe that we are in the midst of an epidemic. The sad part is that this sometimes bogus, overhyped and outright fabricated coverage actually convinces some people or validates their opinion.

According to the FBI, there are more than 12 million arrests per year. That is not merely public contacts which might be around 200-300 million. If only 1/10 of 1% of all arrests are wrong by police officers by using too much force (meaning 99.9% are okay), that comes out to more than 12,000 cases per year or more than 30 per day. If it is a full 1% of arrests then it is more than 300 per day. To put those figures more in perspective there are an average of about 33,000 arrests each day. With police cameras, jail video, citizens videoing and exterior videos such as store cameras you can bet a majority of them are on some kind of visual documentation.

First off, there are several policies in PA that deal with this and two specifically about computer usage of which one is about social media. Then you use an article from another state to show a similar incident. In that case it has the officer referring to the mayor as a gorilla. I think you will find no such posts that even imply race in the PA news article. Of course people are trying to be mind readers and guess what someone is thinking. I suppose next we will not only lose free speech but free thought as the thought police will move in. In the most recent article last night from KBMT they went back almost a year and found one officer messaging another officer on how many fights would happen after a basketball game. Racial slurs were not used and in fact race was not mentioned at all. So we have one officer asking another about the number of fights they will have and nothing more and it is racial? I guess if you are looking for an issue you can find it in almost any statement. What I like are some of the comments and conclusion drawn by Facebook commenters. One was from a person that "researched" the last four years and there were no fights. I can only assume that the research was googling for news articles. This week in PA in the time frame of 10pm-6am on Thursday-Sunday there were about 300 patrol units dispatched or rolled up on crime scenes. Many were felonies and I think it was Saturday night officers took five illegally carried handguns off the street. On Sunday afternoon in broad daylight there was a drive by shooting in a crowded apartment complex. See how many of those cases you can find on the media sites. Because you don't see it or read about it doesn't mean that it didn't happen but people come to that conclusion.

Great but your simple explanation did not address the post that you quoted. I asked what punishnent or policy violation existed (or I will add, a loss of rights) because of a "higher standard". You went off on an explanation of how the media identifies someone first like a football player or cop. That has always been true. What does it have to do with a higher standard?

Something sounds fishy to me........

Let me get this straight, you have been pulled over and even though angry you complied with the officer and were always able to drive away? Strange how that works out.......

True and she could have driven away with a warning. She chose to escalate a minor traffic stop.

True. She did not have to argue, she did not have to refuse to put out the cigarette, she did not have to refuse to get out of the car, she did not have to resist arrest and she did not have to assault the officer. All of which were lawful requests and actions by the officer.

What higher standard? Do you know of any policy violation or if any punishment has been or will be handed out because some people have no clue how to read complained?

​Yes. Mental illness in the form of anti-social and sociopathic behavior has nothing to do with intelligence and the person may be extremely intelligent. I think mental illness is sometimes confused with insanity where the person has no clue that the action was wrong.

........ and the police officers that were already moving in to kill him and cut off his avenue of escape, foiling his plan. That is when he killed himself to keep officers from claiming the kill.

Let's see, if you say the word racist then you are racist. So I wonder if the person that complained about these comments being racist, makes that person a racist? In another example listed, a white woman makes fun of a white woman who lied about her race and that is claimed to be racist. I have also found that apparently only police officers use profanity on private pages on Facebook.

From Trump, an expert in police use of force, procedures and laws.........

What a crock. There was nothing wrong with the posts but some people are offended. The last time I checked, freedom of speech applied to everyone. While a person can be terminated for speech that is not against the law, there were no racial slurs or any such language in their text. Some people need to get a life.

​Nonsense. So if the high school football team you support finds out that their star player has committed a felony, let's judge all the players as felons? We have already had several guilty pleas from BISD employees and within this last year. Do we judge them all as criminals? Sorry Bullets, you are a felon as you are judged by the group that you represent. While it is true that people in many categories represent a group but we aren't judged by the group. Which group(s) do you want representing you and you will be held accountable for every member of that group(s)?

The very little previews I saw of it gives me no idea that I want to see it. I hate apologists and crybabies.

Yep, standard intake questions and usually medical exam.

​Stunning. He did it for hate. I am glad the feds came to that conclusion and I am surprised that it came so fast. Now what changes when SC is likely to give him the death sentence and if not, life without parole?

​They still do. You say "they" because one officer was too rude for some people. The head of the agency suspended him with pay however so "they" are still worried about image. I always find it interesting that no one wants to be judged as part of a group rather as an individual but is more than willing to do the same to others.

​Also, doing something wrong.... We have more rules to follow than almost any other job. An officer in my department can be suspended for crossing an imaginary line in the city (district) without permission from a supervisor. DPS has already said that this officer violated their "courtesy" policy. Okay, he was rude. Normally he would not have been suspended but most such cases are not on the national news. We handle those kinds of complaints all the time. Could he have handled it better? Sure. Did that make him violating the law? No. She almost certainly did however on several counts. If rudeness in the heat of the moment was an automatic firing offense, we would have 800,000 cops in this country with less than 1 year of experience.

Why on leave? ​1. It is DPS and they do not like to be in the spotlight. 2. Just in case there is anything to it, they are not taking any chances or at least the appearance of not taking chance. 3. Policy can be anything that the boss wants. In some agencies an officer can follow state law and simply arrest for any offense. Some for example might be more restrictive (usually because they are a very busy department) and it requires a supervisor approval to make a minor traffic arrest. Heck, in Jefferson County we simply cuff people and head to jail. In Harris County the officers have to call the DA direct, explain the case and then get approval for charges being filed. If an officer violates policy (like when I started, not wearing your hat when you got out of the car was a violation), he can be held accountable just like any other employee. If a person is a secretary at a local company and shows up late, the person can be fired (or likely just because the boss doesn't like the person). It has nothing to do with the law or what is legal and everything to do with the boss not liking something. Taping? It is legal to tape. It is not legal to be close enough to be a threat to officers and it can be a crime, circumstances depending.

​If the medical examiner did the autopsy and ruled homicide, it is very unlikely that there was any questionable brain trauma that might have caused death. Any three day old wound would likely still show up but if there was a struggle, there was almost certainly minor wounds to both the officer and her.