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When people start showing me trail cam or hand taken pictures of 4-5 year old deer that are 150+ pounds, thick neck, large hindquarters, etc., and are consistently less than 13", I will believe that it doesn't work. I was in south Texas two years ago at a bowhunting only day lease and a guy from east Texas killed a 1.5 year old basket rack and pencil horned 8 point. The deer still had perfect teeth with a very thin neck and was obviously a very young deer. The guy had to pay a $500 fine for the underage deer. He swore and was angry that his "mature" deer was an old deer and he had been hunting for umpteen years and could age them and this was obviously a mature blah blah blah. I'll bet that he would be glad to tell you that it was a prime example of mature deer that just won't make the 13" rule. The only thing that it is a prime example of is that he can't age deer on the hoof or even dead for that matter. The 13" is not perfect but the old rule of shooting anything that moved was hardly effective. In lieu of a better way to judge mature deer, the 13" rule is the easiest to visually see and enforce. The obvious best answer is for all hunters to do right thing while managing a deer herd. Can anyone venture to guess what the compliance rate for killing mature deer would be if it is left up to hunters? I think the truth that we routinely kill baby 4 pointers should quickly answer that question.

The "monster" bucks are also smarter which is how they get to be monsters. A 3.5 year old deer should be right at or greater than the 13" rule. That is the intent of the rule to let them grow up and not kill them at the typical 1.5 year old 4 or 6 point or basket rack 8 point at 2.5 years old. If you put all buck fawns in a pen, in three years all of them will reach maturity or at least as far as the rule goes and each year after with a good growing season should be bigger up until maybe after the 7th year. If the rule has been in place for 4 years, there are a bunch of deer that are now mature that would not have been. They did not disappear off of the earth at 3-5 year old. In fact there are a lot more of them now than there were 2 years ago. A bad year because of the drought or inabiltiy to find them doesn't mean that they aren't out there or that the rule doesn't work. The 13" rule sure didn't make them shrink but yes the deer are smarter at that age and harder to hunt. The older ones don't come waltzing in like does or young bucks.

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[quote name="PNG Proud" post="1130615" timestamp="1322277592"] ..................[b]I wish the wind would lay so I could go get some trout tho.[/b][/quote] A couple of decent cold fronts come in and it will lay down for more than 4 hours.

[quote name="dustoff03" post="1129519" timestamp="1322208659"] [quote author=tvc184 link=topic=92166.msg1129517#msg1129517 date=1322207087] It makes me wonder what their predictions were for the first two playoff games. I am sure they had Vidor over BH and Ozen over Brenham. [/quote] Vidor beat Crosby and Montgomery. Ozen beat BH and Brenham. [/quote] Yeah but it doesn't change the intent. Predictions are great but what was the predictions from this site for the first two weeks?

It makes me wonder what their predictions were for the first two playoff games. I am sure they had Vidor over BH and Ozen over Brenham.

I don't think that the autopsy reports that were recently in the news were the "complete story". I haven't see the Vidorian article but I would venture to say that it is more than the recent completed autopsy.

Unless the Beaumont Enterprise and the Vidorian are owned by the same company, it is highly unlikely that an article from one will be in the other unless it is from an outside source such as the AP or Reuters.

That is a very poor angle to age a deer from. You don't get a good look at the neck and brisket, you can't see the face, a good shot at the belly, the back and the hind quarters. At least 3.5 years old but the neck looks too developed from that angle but more likely in the 5.5-6.5 range.

[quote name="westend1" post="1128317" timestamp="1322069031"] So,  how old is this buck? [Hidden Content] [/quote] Yearling.

[quote name="palincoln4life" post="1125427" timestamp="1321807614"] No "Trap Games" in the playoffs!!!1 [/quote] As stated from a Brenham fan?

It's okay. I am about to combine all 52 threads into 1. 8) GO PIRATES!!

Drop to kneeling and take him out.

I would check Walmart for 100 round boxes of whitebox ammo.

[quote name="Ty Cobb" post="1122197" timestamp="1321651812"] Thanks for the info guys.  What is the best ammo to shoot that isn't too expensive? [/quote] UMC by Remington, American Eagle by Federal or Winchester "whitebox". The Winchester doesn't have a catchy name for its practice ammo like UMC or American Eagle but is an all white box, hence the name it is called in shooting circles, Winchester White Box.

[quote name="Ty Cobb" post="1122160" timestamp="1321649961"] [quote author=tvc184 link=topic=91779.msg1122121#msg1122121 date=1321648146] [quote author=Ty Cobb link=topic=91779.msg1122041#msg1122041 date=1321644227] I'm not a huge gun guy so I don't know the in's and out's.  I just enjoy firing off a few rounds when I get the chance.  I bought it in 2001 so I'm assuming that it would be considered fairly modern. [/quote] The M&P came out in 2005 so it isn't one of them. Is it a polymer/plastic frame like a Glock or an all metal gun? Any of them should be feeding most ammo okay but the polymer Sigma is not the most reliable thing on the market. Do you know what kind of ammo you used? If it didn't feed into a Beretta correctly then it is probably just the ammo. [/quote] My gun has a plastic frame.  I can't remember the exact name of the ammo.  Monarch, i think.  I went through mine pretty quickly so my uncle let me shoot some of his.  I had never heard of the name brand before.  He told me they were just a cheap shell.  Hopefully the problem is in the shells not the gun. [/quote] That sounds like the S&W Sigma which isn't their best pistol on the market but should still work okay. Monarch ammo is generally considered as trash. I think it is made in Russia or Serbia. There are problems at times with some of their loads being squibs or underpowered. That doesn't blow the slide back far enough to eject the spent casing or far enough back to pick up the new round from the magazine. In some pistols and some of their rifle ammo it works okay though and is generally some of the cheapest ammo on the market. I would not want my life to depend on it but if it feeds good enough to practice I might shoot some. Usually it is plenty dirty though and makes for a bigger cleanup job. If I had a malfunction or two a box it might be okay. It is was hanging up every magazine then I wouldn't shoot it.

But isn't he guaranteed to win?

[quote name="TexasMinuteman" post="1122127" timestamp="1321648427"] I hunt the Mertz 09 out in Central West Texas.We went out there last weekend and didnt see to much of anything.The deer didnt come to the feeders or the watering holes.There were no deer on the game cams.Its like they disappeared. Ive been going out there for 13 years and never seen it this bad. [size=10pt][b] I need some smoked deer sausage!!![/b][/size] :-[ [/quote] I just put 70 pounds in the freezer and 10 more pounds of pan sausage. ..... and about 40 pounds of ground meat, 30 pounds of steaks/cutlets...........

I've never been a fan of Ruger pistols and they generally have no following in the police market at all. I think they have completely stopped making the P series pistols. They really made a dent with the little LCP and LC9 pocket pistols though and almost changed the market with the rest of the industry coming out with LCP clones. They have recently come out with the new SR series which is basically a Glock clone or striker fire type pistol. I have never fired one but they look like a very nice gun and might be a player in the market. With the slightly smaller handle they might actually get some traction among strike fired pistol market (since striker fire and similar pistols are the current and future of handguns). 

[quote name="Ty Cobb" post="1122041" timestamp="1321644227"] I'm not a huge gun guy so I don't know the in's and out's.  I just enjoy firing off a few rounds when I get the chance.  I bought it in 2001 so I'm assuming that it would be considered fairly modern. [/quote] The M&P came out in 2005 so it isn't one of them. Is it a polymer/plastic frame like a Glock or an all metal gun? Any of them should be feeding most ammo okay but the polymer Sigma is not the most reliable thing on the market. Do you know what kind of ammo you used? If it didn't feed into a Beretta correctly then it is probably just the ammo.

[quote name="Ty Cobb" post="1121941" timestamp="1321637050"] Does the type (brand) of shells matter to how well a hand gun performs?  I have a Smith & Wesson 9mm that keeps jamming when I shoot cheaper shells.  I clean my pistol on a regular basis so I don't think this has anything to do with it.  I started thinking my gun sucked but I saw a Berreta 9mm do the same thing with the same shells.  Any information will be helpful and appreciated. [/quote] Yes, it matters for some guns. Some guns will eat anything you feed it and others will run premium brands and some are even more selective. Some ammo is just plain crap. We have shot some cheap stuff while qualifying with our pistols and had a significant number of different brands of pistols malfunction. Normally the good brands though will feed but some of the really cheap (usually foreign) stuff is just nasty. What kind of S&W do you have? If it is a more modern one like an M&P then it shouldn't be having misfeeds except with some really crappy ammo.

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[quote name="AirForceDad" post="1120660" timestamp="1321496455"] [quote author=tvc184 link=topic=91617.msg1119235#msg1119235 date=1321398314] [size=10pt][b]In 2000 in a 6-3 vote the US Supreme Court in Santa Fe (TX) Independent School District v. Jane Doe [/b][/size]ruled that a policy "allowing" student led prayer over the PA system violates the Constitution. [/quote] [size=10pt][b]The current make up of the court would probaly dissagree with the 2000 court.[/b][/size] [/quote] I don't know. It was a 6-3 vote so you would need to swing two votes. The majority vote in 2000 was Stevens, O'Connor, Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg and Breyer. The dissent was Rehnquist, Scalia and Thomas. Of the dissent, Thomas and Scalia are still there and Roberts replaced Rehnquist so no change in those votes. O'Connor was replaced by Alito so that is likely a changed vote in favor of the dissent. Still on the court from the 2000 ruling are Kennedy, Ginsburg and Breyer. That is three votes. Of the ones that retired, Stevens was replaced by Kagan so no change and Souter was replaced by Sotomayor so no change there either. That leaves it at a 5-4 instead of a 6-3 vote but with the same outcome but a closer margin.

[quote name="invictus" post="1121113" timestamp="1321556549"] [quote author=tvc184 link=topic=91398.msg1121109#msg1121109 date=1321556411] [quote author=invictus link=topic=91398.msg1121100#msg1121100 date=1321555765] I don't get all of the love for Hamburger Depot.  It's ok, but it isn't great.  Not something I'd drive for or anything.  Fuddrucker's is just as good, if not better. [/quote] Because it is just a basic truly home style cooked burger. The meat is hand made and not pressed like all fast food burgers including my favorite fast food Whataburger. The meat then takes on the kind of charred around the edges of a skillet cooked burger and not a flat pressed one on a stainless steel grill. It is then a basic choice of lettuce, pickles, tomatoes, onions and mayo or mustard for condiments. It is comfort food. It isn't a buffalo meat burger or one stacked with sauteed mushrooms and onions and Swiss cheese on top. [/quote] But, I can make that at home and then it will actually have flavor and it'll be a fraction of the cost. [/quote] You can make everything at home at a fraction of the cost. I can grill a steak at home a lot better than what I can get locally and feed the whole family for what it cost me for one dinner out and I can cook 6 shrimp at home a lot cheaper than $20. But we pay for convenience and time. We don't eat out because it is a good deal or always better food.

[quote name="invictus" post="1121100" timestamp="1321555765"] I don't get all of the love for Hamburger Depot.  It's ok, but it isn't great.  Not something I'd drive for or anything.  Fuddrucker's is just as good, if not better. [/quote] Because it is just a basic truly home style cooked burger. The meat is hand made and not pressed like all fast food burgers including my favorite fast food Whataburger. The meat then takes on the kind of charred around the edges of a skillet cooked burger and not a flat pressed one on a stainless steel grill. It is then a basic choice of lettuce, pickles, tomatoes, onions and mayo or mustard for condiments. It is comfort food. It isn't a buffalo meat burger or one stacked with sauteed mushrooms and onions and Swiss cheese on top.