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[quote name="biaplayer" post="825444" timestamp="1281822237"] Sounds like to me Silsbee needs a QB?????? two scores to nothing i wouldnt call dominating sounds like the tigers are headed for a losing season [/quote] Yep. If they can't outscore Kirbyville in a scrimmage, the season is over.

I really can't imagine very many people around here wanting an area wide stadium or complex. Home field is home field and a nice pressbox or new turf won't change that.

Yep, been there, seen that. I could tell you similar stories and they aren't rumors because I was the one putting on handcuffs. Sometimes the cover ups go deeper than you may think.

[quote name="bullets13000" post="823506" timestamp="1281156893"] "arrest" and "conviction" are two different things.  if i'm arrested, but proven innocent, or at least not prosecuted, i shouldn't be punished outside of the law considering i wasn't even punished BY the law. [/quote] I agree if the charges are dropped or you are found not guilty.

[quote name="PN-G bandkid" post="823439" timestamp="1281129448"] [quote author=tvc184 link=topic=71445.msg823345#msg823345 date=1281104580] They should all be the same no matter that activity. I am not sure about the being held to a "higher standard" though. They should just live to the standard of other students, not higher. The standard for society and students should be that you aren't out breaking the law by robbing the local store, selling dope, etc. If other students need to be to class on time, UIL participants should not be made to be there 10 minutes early. No need for the "higher standard", just "the standard". [/quote] I disagree. Extra-curricular activities require a huge amount of time and dedication. Band, football, volleyball, drill team, and cheerleader practice all start 2-4 weeks before the first day of school. UIL Academics groups and other sports teams all have regularly scheduled practices before and after school. Sponsors and students alike don't like putting in all that work just to be embarrassed by one person. Besides that, these students represent the school and ultimately the community behind it. I don't know how things work at other schools, but at PN-G, that is taken VERY seriously. I have seen students sent home from UIL meets for being five to ten minutes late and band members run ten or more laps for things that most people would consider miniscule. It's simple. If you put on the uniform, you live by a higher code. If you choose not to live up to those standards, you will be disciplined and possibly cut from the program. Now obviously, small things like a speeding ticket aren't going to get you into trouble with the school, but I wouldn't get into too much trouble beyond that. [/quote] Maybe we are saying the same thing in a different way but I don't call that being held to a higher code. That is just the rules of the organization. Obviously a non-athlete doesn't have to be to football practice early as he is not playing. If a football player violates that rule, it is an organization rule violation. A "higher standard" is when you do something that is not a rule of the school or organization but of life in general. It is like maybe having a teacher fired for having an extra-marital affair and it going public and embarrassing the school. It is not illegal and it doesn't really have anything to do with the school per se. That is being held to a higher standard. A teacher that is fired for not showing up for work on time is not being held to any different standard than any other worker and is simply violating a school rule. If a student showed up 10 minutes before a meet and is removed, that was punishment for a team rule. That would be like a football coach telling me to go run some bleachers and I tell him to take a hike. That is not a higher standard but a team rule that I will do what the coach says as long as it is not illegal. A higher standard is not involved or at least not the way I look at a higher standard. As a police officer I can be fired for things that are not specifically against our policies, that are not illegal and not immoral. THAT is being held to a higher standard. If I break a known rule, that is just breaking a rule. I think the "higher standard" phrase is sometimes tossed around for a feeling of importance and maybe a way to gain compliance. We athletes or UIL competitors are different because we are held to a higher standard. So is it really a different standard or just team rules?

[quote name="Tigers9" post="823435" timestamp="1281127208"] .................................I dont have issues with the cheerleader being removed (it was the rule)[size=10pt][b] just cant figure out how the ISD allows the football players to play with arrest records, or why the AD should allow it either![/b][/size] By the way, these issues have been taken up with reps from the ISD, basically I was told the Cheerleaders have a constitution and athletics does not! So the next step would be? Public forum (with names and paperwork to prove it) Local paper....how do you stop this double standard? [/quote] Arrested for what though? You can almost literally be arrested for anything in Texas. If you are picking up your mail early one morning and have to cross the street and there is no traffic but a cop sees you jaywalking, he can arrest you and bring you to the county jail. So you have an arrest record and for what? Jaywalking. As far as group rules or constitutions, I guess to some extent, each can make his/her own rules. if the head coach for the girl's volleyball team has a rule and the girls know it, then that is a rule. Does the football team have to follow the same rules? I don't think so. I also think that each head coach can issue punishment as he/she sees fit for that team. I do think that the district needs a blanket code of conduct for UIL sanctioned events/teams however and those should not be deviated from. Get caught with illegal drugs for example and you need to lose you UIL eligibilty for at least that year. Get arrested for a felony and the same results. I think the UIL needs to have some basic rules of eligibility and conduct that is some cases takes the school out of it. Just like no pass-no play is a UIL rule, not an individual school district rule. If you can remove them from competing for grades, I don't see how or why you couldn't for drugs or felonies.

[quote name="Tigers9" post="823417" timestamp="1281122953"] [quote author=thetragichippy link=topic=71445.msg823372#msg823372 date=1281112301] [quote author=tvc184 link=topic=71445.msg823367#msg823367 date=1281111110] [quote author=Tigers9 link=topic=71445.msg823365#msg823365 date=1281110734] I understand and agree with your description of "higher standard" I guess my point was more along the lines of....the school still has an obligation to provide an education to you even if you are out robbing stores or selling dope, after the law has released you back to the public.[size=10pt][b] If a kid has proven to be a "robber" or a "dope seller" should they be allowed to participate in extraciricular activities?[/b][/size][/quote] [b]No.[/b] [/quote] HAIL NO! [/quote] Obviously I have specifics, just trying to make sure I'm not the one reaching with my belief! So to clarify your opinions a little more. If a kid is arrested for theft, or passession of drugs, gone to jail for truancy, they should not be allowed to participate........period! There should not be a form of punishment by the coaches, then allowed to play in ANY of these examples....correct? [/quote] Truancy is a school issue like acting up in class or a discipline problem. That should be up to the school and the coach. While it is true that you can be arrested for truancy, you can also be arrested for disrupting the classroom or failing to signal a turn while driving to school. In fact, every citation issued by an officer is an arrest but you are released on your own recognizance. I don't think kids should lose UIL privileges for citations. Those are not serious issues and are between the schools and coaches. I was talking about (and thought that I said) robberies, selling drugs, using drugs and other serious crimes. If you are selling dope, you should not be allowed the privilege to play sports or UIL sponsored events. If you are committing armed robberies... same answer. Breaking into homes? See Ya!

[quote name="Tigers9" post="823365" timestamp="1281110734"] I understand and agree with your description of "higher standard" I guess my point was more along the lines of....the school still has an obligation to provide an education to you even if you are out robbing stores or selling dope, after the law has released you back to the public.[size=10pt][b] If a kid has proven to be a "robber" or a "dope seller" should they be allowed to participate in extraciricular activities?[/b][/size][/quote] No.

They should all be the same no matter that activity. I am not sure about the being held to a "higher standard" though. They should just live to the standard of other students, not higher. The standard for society and students should be that you aren't out breaking the law by robbing the local store, selling dope, etc. If other students need to be to class on time, UIL participants should not be made to be there 10 minutes early. No need for the "higher standard", just "the standard".

[quote name="643" post="823062" timestamp="1281009895"] [size=10pt][b]Legally, I don't see how the guards can[/b][/size], also I have been run off from the bulkhead at the CG station, in the yrs past I have always picked up a few flounder against the bulkhead, now they run you off and I do leave cuz their 50cal trumps my Glock... [/quote] I don't know if they can or can't in this situation but I think it is possible for the law to allow them to do that. Navigable waterways are controlled by federal law and they can set what waters are used for. The feds can set all rules for the rights and uses of those waterways, even if contained entirely within a state. The states have the right to make laws that control the use of such waterways also just like with other laws. In other words, you can have dual jurisdiction however, either one can make something against the law and the other generally cannot trump that law. Now the feds could make a specific law that overrides state law such as if the feds said something like, "A state cannot make new laws regarding blah blah blah". An example of dual jurisdiction is that the federal government does not have laws on armed robbery (called Aggravated Robbery in Texas) but they do have laws on bank robberies because they are federally insured. Texas naturally has those Agg Robbery laws. In a bank robbery, they appear to conflict as Texas law on a bank robbery does not match federal law on bank robbery. In such a case the feds can prosecute under their laws or the state can prosecute under their laws or both can prosecute. They have dual jurisdiction with different statutes. Texas law cannot stop federal bank robbery laws and federal law cannot stop Texas's right to make their own robbery laws. It is the same in navigable waterways. Even is something is not against the law in Texas (using navigable waterways), that does not stop the feds from making a more restrictive law. The United States Code are all laws in the USA or the equivalent of the Texas Penal Code, Parks and Wildlife Code, etc. The US Code gives the federal government control over all federal waters which is all navigable waters. It has been upheld in court under the Commerce Clause part of the Constitution. The federal law is restrictive enough in use that there is even a federal law dealing with the Sabine Ship Channel. That's right folks, the federal government has a law that specifically names Port Arthur and Sabine Pass in navigable waterways, which coincidentally is the very waterway that we are talking about. There are also laws pertaining to safety zones around military installations and other vital infrastructure of which Sabine Pass has plenty. Here is part of the law from the USC. It says the waterways are free to be used by the public BUT Congress shall have control to make laws pertaining to protection, maintenance, etc. [size=10pt][b]United States Code TITLE 33 > CHAPTER 1 > SUBCHAPTER I > § 12 § 12. Port Arthur Ship Canal After there shall be conveyed to the United States, free of cost, a valid title to the line of water communication between Taylors Bayou and Sabine Pass, in the State of Texas, known as the Port Arthur Ship Canal,.......................the said waterways shall thereupon become free public waters of the United States, and be subject to the laws enacted by Congress for the maintenance, preservation, protection, and regulation of navigable waters: [/b][/size] The reason for federal control is obvious if you think about it. If it did not have such laws, Texas could for example, stop the military shipments from Beaumont to the Iraq and Afghan wars or all oil. The feds have to have control over such waterways. The words maintenance, preservation and protection gives the Congress wide latitude in making laws. Back to the main question about navigable waterways and fishing in Sabine Pass. The federal government has the right to control all navigable waterways in general and specifically has a law anyway for portions of the ship channel. Texas also has navigable waterway laws that says a private entity cannot block a navigable waterway from the public if that waterway has public access. That came up a few years back in this area when some people that owned land on either side of some local bayous and tributaries tried to block access to duck hunters by using barbed wire. They were under the assumption that since they owned all land on either side of the waterway, they could block it. Texas laws says no, it has to remain open. That law however has nothing to do with federal law restricting use for safety or commerce purposes. Clear as mud?

Since crossbows are now legal to use during whitetail archery only season, I figured that a few more people might be trying them out and maybe even hunting archery season for the first time. For now, I am still using my compound.

[quote name="PNG Proud" post="822630" timestamp="1280802032"] [quote author=tvc184 link=topic=70019.msg822357#msg822357 date=1280662981] I could use a boatload of sand trout. Some people don't like them but I do. [/quote] I love too.  Some say that they turn mushy after freezing, but I never found that to be true. [/quote] Maybe if they make sushi out of them.  :D Fried they are great.

[quote name="westend1" post="822499" timestamp="1280760794"] Question for you offshore guys.  I'm looking at a 2005 Robalo r240 with twim yamaha 150's.  What is your impression of this boat for light offshore(Maybe up to 50 miles) [/quote] I have been out to about 30 miles in an 18 foot with a single 135 Merc on the back (not that I was intelligent). I would think the R240 with two Yamahas would be easily a good offshore boat.

[quote name="baseball10" post="822458" timestamp="1280716646"] [quote author=tvc184 link=topic=70019.msg821671#msg821671 date=1280380962] Went to the channel tonight with another guy and we got one keeper in an hour and a half. Almost no bait seen in the water. [/quote] where'd you try to get some bait at?? [/quote] Where we fished under some of the lights near downtown PA. I think the heavy rains from the last week have killed the fishing for now. I work with a guy that guides on the weekends and they fished a tounament today and caught three keepers in several hours of hard fishing on the south end and at the jetties. Another guy that I work with that fishes all of the time did not catch a keeper gamefish of any kind in the same tourney. A few days and it will probably be back up and running full force if we don't get any more heavy rains.

[quote name="liltex" post="822444" timestamp="1280711172"] I'd post some pics if I knew how.I can barely do this w/a computer.My grandkids could shame me when they were 4 lol. [/quote] Go to photobucket or imageshack. They are free services (although they all try to sell you something) that allow you to upload photos or videos to your personal media page. Each photo or video has its own webpage and you can post that webpage on here but putting [img][/img] around the page. I know on photobucket, you click on the post photo option below the picture and it adds that automatically for you. I use photobucket. Go to that and sign up for the free account much like signing up for this forum. Then start posting away.

I could use a boatload of sand trout. Some people don't like them but I do.

[quote name="PNG Proud" post="821927" timestamp="1280455505"] is the water muddy? [/quote] As bad as I have seen it this year in the channel.

[quote name="baseball10" post="821670" timestamp="1280380841"] went on the neches last saturday, got 5 keepers all Spec's saturday morning and then my buddy went back sunday to the same spot and got 4 more Spec's...gunna go again this weekend  but probably wont get the same result with the hard raining all 3 days this week [/quote] Went to the channel tonight with another guy and we got one keeper in an hour and a half. Almost no bait seen in the water.

[quote name="rykerx144" post="820961" timestamp="1280243794"] [quote author=tvc184 link=topic=70019.msg820949#msg820949 date=1280242865] [quote author=rykerx144 link=topic=70019.msg820922#msg820922 date=1280240212] went bank fishing last night.  Couldnt find trout any where.  Caught a few red and flounder but no a single trout!! GRRRR [/quote] After I caught them twice in a row the last few days, a couple of friends went out Saturday night and only caught two keeper trout. I guess the last few days of rain have again pushed them south. We sure have been getting a lot of rain in the last month. I like rain as much as the next guy but a break would be nice or maybe some small showers and not these gushers that we have been getting. [/quote] i went to the terminal next to the coke dock and worked my way along the channel at any light i can find.  Saw a lot of movement and bait fish but couldnt find any trout [/quote] They are with the bait but we are having a hard time finding bait right now. Four weeks ago you could wade across the ship channel on shad. Now I have a hard time finding any. That is why I want the rain to stop.

[quote name="rykerx144" post="820922" timestamp="1280240212"] went bank fishing last night.  Couldnt find trout any where.  Caught a few red and flounder but no a single trout!! GRRRR [/quote] After I caught them twice in a row the last few days, a couple of friends went out Saturday night and only caught two keeper trout. I guess the last few days of rain have again pushed them south. We sure have been getting a lot of rain in the last month. I like rain as much as the next guy but a break would be nice or maybe some small showers and not these gushers that we have been getting.

In November.

[quote name="hatethatpurple!" post="820230" timestamp="1280005871"] I think we should wait a few weeks before making this prediction, just so we know what each team is bringing to the table! [/quote] It's only 4 and a half months until they play.  ;D

[quote name="rykerx144" post="820155" timestamp="1279978568"] dont know yet!  any suggestions [/quote] Anywhere that you can find lights at night. We have been killing them in the ship channel.

[quote name="PNG Proud" post="820211" timestamp="1279999116"] [quote author=tvc184 link=topic=71181.msg820137#msg820137 date=1279958918] [quote author=PNG Proud link=topic=71181.msg820126#msg820126 date=1279945300] Got my 1st one, and 2 on the same day!   Trout, red, flounder.....SWEET! [/quote] A three base hit is a grand slam?  ;D [/quote] I have been catching a bunch of baby sand trout in a cast net.... and the specks have no problems eating their cousins. If I throw in the croaker and sand trout too maybe?   :/ [/quote] I

[quote name="rykerx144" post="820139" timestamp="1279965073"] Im going tonite hope they still around! [/quote] Where at?