tvc184

I got the joke.... that's why I followed up with mine.  :D

It is simple, the best team won. To think that Crosby yawned its way through the game though is ludicrous. Nederland gave up about 300 yards on the ground... but Crosby gave up 300 yards in the air. Is there a difference? Crosby gives up 3 touchdown passes to the 4th string quarterback that is really the starting defensive end and wasn't the quarterback until 4 games ago. While some may mistakenly claim that Crosby had its second string in near the end of the game, Nederland came into the game with half of its second string on the field. The best team won and should be congratulated but Nederland put up a valiant effort. All that you can do in any endeavor in life is to give it your best and the Bulldogs gave it their best. For that, they should be congratulated.

[quote name="YankeeDawg" post="708688" timestamp="1258292197"] Isn't that vehicle profiling??   Call a lawyer!!   ;D [/quote] And what? The vehicle has the right to remain running, if the vehicle gives up the right to remain running it has the right to a mechanic, if the vehicle does not pick a mechanic then one may be appointed for it and the vehicle can stop the repair at any time.

[quote name="smitty" post="708336" timestamp="1258252671"] Whats was the yardage gained by Neds offense?  And what was the yardage gave up on defense?  Anyone have any figures? [/quote] According to the Houston Chronicle: 308 yards of total offense 17 first downs

[quote name="scooter!" post="700163" timestamp="1257571166"] i hate to say this cause i picked WO-S to win state this yr. Coldspring by 7 hope i'm wrong but....we'll see [/quote] Pretty good call.

Defensively, Nederland gave up an average of 371 yards a game in the first 5 games and 298 yards a game in the second 5.

[quote name="EX-Ceauxch" post="707295" timestamp="1258187041"] Maybe if we had stats in REDZONE effencity and turnover ratio that might explain it. [/quote] If I counted correctly, Nederland is -9 on turnovers for the year. They key though is which games and it was a huge difference between the first 5 games and the second in both turnovers and offense. First 5 games Nederland had a 1-4 record. They were -12 in turnovers and had an average offense output of 175 yards per game. In the second 5 games Nederland had a 4-1 record. They were +3 in turnovers and had an average offense output of 313 yards per game. It was definitely a tale of two seasons but the averages are brought pretty far down by the dismal showing in the first half of the season.

[quote name="ranchhand 79" post="705908" timestamp="1258127381"] [size=10pt][b]I do understand where you are coming from spoonbill. A lot of public and private lands will be hurt for possibly several of years until the herd as a whole matures[/b][/size]. I hunted for years growing up on a lease where if you see horn, shoot. Not only that, the pressure was intense (too many hunters, overkills, poaching, etc.). If you killed something around 16", it was a "Monster". Well, when they finally let some walk, they kill 18-20" regularly now, by putting age on them. That is the point of this regulation. Additionally, Public or private, poaching will always be a problem. I have family that have done it in the past, and still for the life of me can't figure out why, I have a family of four, and we barely can eat 2-3 deer a year and we eat it a lot. BUUUUUTTTTTT, I guess I get my opinion on all this due to the fact, if I don't kill something for meat, I can always go to market basket. I take pride in watching a herd mature. I always say, I am a hunter, not a killer. But again, I can see many people's frustration on this, because for some, it could take years to get a mature group, and we all no, a lot of places in east texas seem to be missing genetics, or they haven't gotten old enough for us to see them. [/quote] The whole herd that is at least yearlings, will mature in two years. That is assuming that every deer older than 1.5 years old has been killed. A normal buck fawn should be outside his ears within three years. Got to start somewhere.

[quote name="sportshustler" post="705430" timestamp="1258075407"] okay honestley i think yall are all dumb.. and if i had to chose and ones side on this it would be happyhour4's.. i understand where he is coming from and why is Bucof2010 acting like he knows everything? [/quote] So you think that antler restrictions were only put in so they could find another reason to give tickets? They walk among us.............

AK's are okay for deer if they are as wide as a barn or less than 30 yards away.  :D

.... of course, being a peace officer, you know that...right?  :D

[quote name="happyhour4" post="705374" timestamp="1258072250"] actually i am a game warnerand those tickets get written all the time and i think its dumb..... so quit acting like you no everything  :-* [/quote] Right.... and I have the Statue of Liberty in my back yard for sale. Also, impersonating an officer is against the law.

[quote name="happyhour4" post="705344" timestamp="1258071124"] i would like to no how is it stupid [/quote] It is stupid to think that the new law was put into only certain counties in order to get game wardens to write more citations. To disagree with a law is no big deal. To think that the only reason a law is enacted is to issue tickets is living a silly argument.

[quote name="bearbryant" post="705316" timestamp="1258068299"] I don't know a single hunter other than outlaws that practice the "kill everything that moves".  Most leases here (every one I've been on) have had some sort of management program on it.  Some people here act as if people in East Texas don't know a thing about hunting at all. A bit arrogant. East Texas isn't south Texas which is littered with high fences, tame bred deer, and canned hunts.  [/quote] Kill everything that moves is an oversimplification of, kill anything that is legal... which usually means the first deer that comes across your path. I have friends that hunt on such leases and I hunted on such a lease (the same one I am on now but we quit that four years ago) and I can guarantee that a substantial percentage of public hunters use such practices. If it is a buck, it is legal per lease rules. Notwithstanding some bucks are culls, a majority of them are not and need some kind of protection that they aren't getting now.

[quote name="spoonbill" post="705240" timestamp="1258062406"] so..what happens to those basket rack bucks? do they just go away? they stop breeding? any moron should be able to tell a 1 1/2 yr old 4 pt from a 4-5 yr old basket rack buck. this rule is to protect the deer from the people that shoot everything that walks by. well....guess what? those people weren't that ethical before. what makes you think they will be now? they're gonna do what they do no matter what. this is just another liberal rule/law put on people because they can't take care of themselves. let the government make decisions for us like healthcare. the only people that it affects are the poor people that hunt on free land because that's all they can afford. most people on leases have been using their own management practices for some time. we pay the money and want to see the payoff for it. i can't stand it when the government makes decisions for the people because they think the people are too dumb to make decisions for themselves. this topic splits directly based on paid leases vs. public land. people on leases like it because they were basically doing this anyway. people on public land were already limited by rules and now are limited even more. how can you kill does, does, does if you don't have a permit on public land? it doesn't affect me, but i know it does affect some friends on public land. [/quote] You can never stop poachers or idiots. If that is a standard to set laws by then lets do away with seasons and bag limits. To compare AR to those people is foolish at best since they go by no rules anyway. Yes, this rule is to protect the deer from the people that shoot everything that walks by but a majority of hunters go by the rules. They might not like them but they go by them even if the only reason is to keep from being caught. I completely disagree with people using their own management practices for some time... that is unless you call kill anything that moves as a management practice. You say that you can't stand the government making decisions for you. Great but everything we catch or kill is a decision made by the government assuming you want to hunt or fish legally. Specks have to be 15" to keep. I would bet there are a lot of people that wish it was 13". Well the government has made a decision. The limits you have on deer each year, regardless of AR, is a regulation where the government has made a decision for you. Your lease might be overrun with deer but the only way to take more of them off than you are allowed on your license is to get more hunters or go to a management program like MLD. I agree with the does on public land deal. Of course, unrestricted killing of does on public land might result in them going the way of the buffalo. I think the state should do their surveys and issue doe permits, if even by drawing. As far as bucks on public land, the reason they only see and kill 1.5 year old deer is because they are in competition with the guy 400 yards away that is going to kill whatever is legal. You might as well shoot the 1.5 year old 4 point because if you don't, the guy on either side of you will. Public land is where this will have the biggest impact. A couple of years from now, maybe the public land hunters will have something to look forward to other than a spike.

[quote name="rollinac" post="704997" timestamp="1258044310"] No one know's who's fault it was but you see the news jumped all over it and has already declared the "guilty" party.  From the news report, I never would have known the history of the kid involved or the FACT that there are inconsistencies with the ISD cop.  Who has more to lose??  The cop who beat the kid or the coaches who are "covering for one of their kids?" [size=10pt][b] Makes you wonder who has the greater incentive to make sure the tape was deleted...[/b][/size] [/quote] Maybe it is all of them and it is a conspiracy. The cop covers up the beating, the coaches cover up the stabbing and they all cover for each other.....    ;D

[quote name="Lefty99" post="703476" timestamp="1257874173"] [quote author=bearbryant link=topic=61839.msg703265#msg703265 date=1257855031] Thats weird because in my opinion its just starting to heat up.  [/quote] I feel the same way.  No sigh of rubs...scrapes or seeing any chasing yet. [/quote] I have been seeing a lot of scrapes (even more than usual) for about three weeks now. I haven't seen any chasing does or even following them. According to the TPWD (by their surveys over a number of years) the south area of the Pineywoods should be peaking in the rut around 11/10 or right now with the more northern parts peaking around 11/20. The rut will go from mid-October and into January though so it would not be unusual to see deer rutting for quite a while. The peak is what you are looking for. That is also one of my complaints about not killing enough does. They will usually go into estrus again and again until they are bred. When there are so many does to chase down, not all of them get bred at all and the ones that do get bred over several weeks. I know that we see fawns on our lease that are four or five months apart in age. We see 40 pound fawn bucks with 1.5 inch spikes and then we have fawns with spots on them when the archery season starts.

[quote name="westend1" post="704921" timestamp="1258040505"] Game wardens have a tough job.  I am glad that we have some that really get serious about enforcement.  Newton County has horrible poaching problems.  If this guy makes some difference, I am all for it.  I don't know about the 'ponytail' reference, but if the guy found a deer killed out of season, close to your camp, then I think he has a duty to investigate.   JMO [/quote] You aren't kidding about that area. You start hearing banjos when you get to some areas around Newton County. I am glad the wardens are out there and I wish there were a lot more of them. Their jobs in some respects, is worse than other law enforcement in that they are often vastly outnumbered and a majority of the people they deal with are armed and they are a long way from any backup. I would love it if they could catch a huge percentage of the poachers. That doesn't justify some of the outright rudeness that some of them show to people up until the point that people deserve it. When any officer starts the contact from a point of being angry, it usually goes downhill from there.

[quote name="spoonbill" post="704949" timestamp="1258041799"] he's talking about deer that have genetics that cause them to never grow a rack bigger than "basket racks". i've seen 4-5 yr old deer that have the real tight racks. they will never get bigger. their genetics have them predisposed to have this type of rack. for "real" game management these need to be culled along with the spikes. you don't want these deer spreading their inferior bloodlines through breeding. i think tpwd had good intentions, but as usual when the government tries to make a good decision, something gets lost along the way. [/quote] Whitetails have been here for thousands of years (at least) and with absolutely no restrictions yet we still have basket rack deer. Why is that? I figured we would have culled all of them out with the great management styles in east Texas. The notion that this program is going to somehow cause an inferior deer herd doesn't seem to hold any rationality to it. The inferior deer have been hunted and killed with no restrictions for hundreds of years but they are still here. The deal is that is some areas of the state, people kill everything that moves. If they managed their own areas, the state would not have stepped in. If the people will just kill does, kill does, kill does and let the herd grow up somewhat, nature will take care of itself. Once you get some truly dominant bucks, you won't have all these 4.5 year old basket racks breeding the does with their 7/1 ratio in some areas of east Texas. The inferior bloodlines are spread because there are so many does that 1.5 year old spikes and 4.5 year old baskets are breeding them. Kill the does like crazy, kill the spikes and let the herd grow up. Also, we are not talking about some 15 year plan to harvest deer. A fawn this year should be outside of his ears within three years from now. This season's yearlings will be there in two and so on. I've talked to people that hunted in some AR counties and their success was easily seen. I hunt on a little less than 1,000 acres outside of Chester. We started self managing the deer four years ago. We have killed more than 60 does in the first three years. For two years we did not take any bucks. Last year we took a couple and one measured at 138 inches which is by far the biggest we have ever taken. This year so far, we have taken a 141 and two other bucks probably in the 120-130 range. We have killed no basket rack deer and this year killed the only spike (twin 11" beams) in the last several years yet we are now taking more and bigger deer than we have ever seen. Since we are not killing basket rack deer, why are we seeing more and much larger bucks? Nature does a pretty good job of letting the strongest survive. We/people are the ones that thrown a wrench into that plan by killing every buck that walks and not thinning out the does with equal fervor. Aging would be a better way to manage than simply horn width but it is too arbitrary and would be abused more. Physical measurements are easier to understand, to see with your own eyes and to check.  I think that two or three years from now, most of the people that are complaining will not want to go back to letting everyone kill everything that moves.

[quote name="Bucof2010" post="704688" timestamp="1257996451"] [quote author=tvc184 link=topic=54675.msg703587#msg703587 date=1257882153] [quote author=happyhour4 link=topic=54675.msg703564#msg703564 date=1257880543] i think this is just a money deal so the wardens can write tickets its dumb if you ask me [/quote] ::) [/quote] You gotta be joking or retarted please tell me it isn't the latter. [/quote] I was responding to the supposition stated by happyhour that the antler restrictions are nothing more than a new reason for game wardens to issue more citations. If he thinks the AR's are stupid then great. To each his own opinion. To think that this was nothing more than a reason to get more citations is ridiculous. .

[quote name="Roughrider" post="704409" timestamp="1257974664"] Yea you right....and no [size=12pt][b]turbine[/b][/size] restrictions either.. ;D [/quote] No restrictions on the size of jet engines?

[quote name="bullets13" post="704661" timestamp="1257995291"] my season opens this weekend.  it's my first time to hunt since i was 10.  i'm hoping to get a shot at something, [size=11pt][b]but last year i sat in a stand for a few times with my dad and really just enjoyed being out and watching what walked past[/b][/size]. [/quote] That right there sounds like a great hunt. Anything else is just a bonus.

[quote name="biggen" post="704664" timestamp="1257995395"] you people need to climb out of your ivory tower and get over yourselves.......these two made an error in judgement, but we should not judge them until they are found guilty of something. I am not from cleveland, and don't know the situation except what was on the news, . again they should not have put themselves in that situation, but let it go, and celebrate your teams and coaches who are getting ready for the playoffs [/quote] Let's see.... secretary fired, two coaches suspended and ivory tower. Hmmmm............ On the other hand, to call what they were accused of an error in judgment is an understatement.

[quote name="sports fan 4ever" post="704579" timestamp="1257990549"] One word describes those two....STUPID! [/quote] No kidding. I know that they haven't even been charged in a crime, much less convicted but it is a felony in most cases to tamper with evidence. I would hate to spend time in the penitentiary for trying to cover up for something stupid a student did.

[quote name="westend1" post="703568" timestamp="1257880798"] So, did the new restrictions cost anybody a deer that they really wanted to shoot this weekend? [/quote] I wanted to shoot that fairly good size doe that walked out an did.  ;D