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I don’t think those are even towns or cities as Texas calls them..

I asked that in the other thread… is Beaumont a small town?

And it certainly is not a dumb question. The Facebook lawyers have about 12 different answers though. 🤪 Yes… Witnesses, statements, a statement by the person accused, video or photographs, fingerprints or anything else will determine the outcome. Just for a point of law and I would not want to be there, you do not have to prove self-defense. If you make a claim of self-defense and bring up any evidence allowed into court to support that claim, the state (DA) then has the burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was not self-defense. It is called a defense to prosecution.

There are so many what if questions. A single sentence can change a justified shooting into Murder or vice versa. The law is specific in what crimes justify deadly force in order to recover property if the suspect is actually fleeing with the property. Those crimes are Burglary (breaking into a residence or building), Robbery, Aggravated Robbery and Theft if the theft occurs in the nighttime. Those four crimes alone, justify deadly force to stop a person from getting away with property. It is not to be confused with other crimes where deadly force could be used to stop the crime from being committed such as Arson or Sexual Assault. I am talking just running or driving away with the property. For example, if somebody steals your kid’s bicycle from the front yard in the daylight and there are no other facts (like he threatened to kill you), can you lawfully use deadly force to get the bicycle back? In my opinion and the way I read the law, absolutely not. That would likely be Murder. So while we are playing what if, what if you chase him and as you get close to him and he still has the bicycle, he pulls a pocket knife out and threatens to kill you? At that point the misdemeanor Theft during the daylight, just became an Aggravated Robbery. Aggravated Robbery is one of the four specific crimes that possibly justify the use of deadly force to get property back….. IF… IF, you reasonably believed that the property could not reasonably be recovered by other means OR…. an attempt to get the property back would expose you to an unreasonable risk of serious injury or death. That is the problem with making blanket statements but if you want to get on Facebook, get ready for the blanket statements. So not legal advice but generally what the law appears to say to me about using deadly force only to protect property after doing it for 38 years… IF a person is committing one of the four specifically mentioned crimes AND IF the person is escaping with property AND IF a person reasonably appears that he would get away without recovering the property OR IF attempting to recover, the property, would expose you to serious injury or death…. Then it is likely justified. All of the AND and AND IF situations must be covered. They are not mutually exclusive. 1. 4 crimes and, 2. escaping with property and, 3. not reasonably likely to recover the property by other means or, The recovery would expose you to serious injury or death. Clear as mud? We could probably sit here and think up of 100 different situation.

As we can imagine, the 17-year-old being shot in Beaumont has caused quite a stir on the Facebook forums. As the usual routine, there are complete misstatements of the law on both sides of the equation. This kind of goes into the thread I started about laws but were there any justifications to use deadly force? Of course, the problem is, we really don’t know what happened. For my two cents, it could be completely justified or it could be completely unjustified and murder. I wish I had the facts of the case….

Does Beaumont qualify as a small town? I see people asking on Facebook…..

I worked at that event with the Secret Service. Specifically I had to guard Hillary Clinton’s car.

That doesn’t have anything to do with any other genre. It is a comparison of lyrics. It’s also called an analogy. For example… A guy sings a country song and at some point the lyrics say, “don’t mess with me or I’ll hurt you”. Someone who listens to rap is outraged at such violent lyrics. At the same time we find out that his favorite rap song has a verse that says, “don’t mess with me or I’ll hurt you”. That is selective outrage. Every person absolutely has the ability and right to be selectively outraged. We are just calling it for what it is.

Who said it had anything to do with hip-hop?

Good thing I never mentioned dictating feelings. All I said was that there is almost no way that someone saw that video and went, OMG! A guy was lyched there 100 years ago. That would mean that someone was actively looking at different aspects of the video and doing a Google searches to try to find a reason to be offended.

Bob was at the top of his chosen profession. To a lot of extent, he is from a passing era in sports writing. Few sportswriters and editors have had the excellent longevity and following of Bob West. How many people work for a single newspaper for almost 5 decades? He called ‘em like he saw ‘em. A few times I definitely would not agree on his perspective on an issue or player but the proof of his skill was that I always came back to read what he had to say on his next article. He definitely has left a legacy of events that he has been involved with from roasts, to celebrity golf events, to contests and I believe that he was instrumental in creating and bringing the Bum Phillips Trophy to Mid-County Madness which I think was thought up by members of his staff. I had spoken to West on a couple of occasions, mostly from working security at events. I have known his wife Genie for probably about 40 years from her work as a nurse at St. Mary Hospital and me being a police officer. The likes of Bob West don’t come along often in a lifetime. Condolences to his family and friends.

That again, is reaching for an answer. Who watched that video for the first time and immediately said, oh my gosh, that is a courthouse where a person was lynched 100 years ago. Likely no one Who would recognize it? Probably a better question would be, who did the research to find something in the video to be offended by? Why would anyone try to google something in the background in a song? Was this courthouse some well known symbol of racism? If so, why was Hannah Montana mostly filmed not only in that city, Columbia, TN, but at least one scene shot at the very same courthouse? Maybe Mikey Cyrus was pushing a hidden agenda on racism in front of that apparently well known symbol of hate…. that no one would recognize unless they were told to do so. If a person are looking for that nail, he will find it. Not that I would expect most people to view this 34 minute clip from Candace Owens. If a person is so inclined, scroll to the 8 minute mark and see Hannah Montana coming out of the same courthouse. Then go to around the 15 minute mark and look at some of the lyrics of current top 40 music.

Extremely selective outrage.

What a great appeal tactic. My argument was so good that you are compelled to believe me! The court needs to order you to believe me! The court says…. uhhhhh, no.

It’s called looking for something to be offended by.

Only if you are a hammer looking for a nail…. I have already said it, but if this was a rap song, it would be hailed as brilliant.

What is wrong with his statement? How does that show he committed assault?

Ouch!! …admitted his claims of election fraud were all lies. CB

In prison…. If true.

I think the people that are bothered by it, are told to be bothered by it. If the same lyrics were out in a rap song, it would be hailed as brilliance.

No kidding. The mentality ….. You didn’t say it but I know what you were thinking!!

That is ridiculous. It is the rationalization of the left. “They must be doing this because…..”. Trump supporters like what he does. Almost no Trump supporters likes the way he acts or who he supports.

You’re equating a desire to have a winning ticket with love. There are no conservatives that think JFKjr is their answer other than an election. If people could look into a crystal ball and see that Trump was going to win no matter if he picked DeSantis, JFKjr, Ramaswamy, Cruz or Scott…. JFKjr would would almost certainly be last on the list. If the crystal ball said that Trump could only win with JFKjr, guess who conservatives are going to pick?

There is no love for JFKjr. There is am appreciation for a reasonable Democrat for a change and after a long wait. Maybe it’s not so much if an appreciation as it is a shock. That if the confusing part for the Democrats. They are mistaking “he isn’t such a bad guy” with, “will Trump allow us to like him”. Feel free to point out any conservative that is willing to vote for him over the Republican nominee to be named later.

He is still a liberal with liberal beliefs. Would he be the best Democrat in the last 20 years? Without a doubt…. but we haven’t seen a full blown campaign yet. Maybe if the GOP lost in 2024 to Kennedy, we could get back to mainly arguing over how much money to split between welfare programs and the defense budget. By far and away however, I think the Republican candidate on the ballot will be a better option. JFKjr at this point seems like a much more acceptable leader than Biden, Harris and their likes.