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[quote name="player66" post="864171" timestamp="1286053380"] [quote author=oldschool_50 link=topic=73711.msg863915#msg863915 date=1286035718] [quote author=mfd814 link=topic=73711.msg863722#msg863722 date=1286004326] I have been with the Bulls since 04. It has always been 1st come, 1st served.  never try out,   We were never told why the Senior team could not play in 05, and why only them. They went and played up in jasper that year, and the rest played here.  We were told after that, they wanted the teams seperated by schools in the West end, could not get enough kids from 2-3 schools to form one team, the kids were from all over Beaumont. Having been Bulls for 2 - 3 years, it would not have been fair to tell them you cannot play this year, because your at the wrong school. So BUlls moved to TIFI.  [/quote] Sure you were told!!! I myself, clyde, and muck had about a two hour conversation with Jay about it, he then freaked out and resigned as your leader. then we had the same conversation with the new guy that took over "the FBI guy". sorry if your own people didnt let you in own things!! [/quote] I was told that the SR Bulls team dominated all the teams in jamboree and yall kicked them out... but allowed the other teams to stay because they were not as strong. Dont you recall??? [/quote] Sorry Player, I don't exactly recall it that way.  The details were much more complex, as a matter of fact, if my memory serves me correctly, one of the bull's junior teams won the superbowl in lonestar that year.  Not only did they win, they won it with class.  It all had to do more with agreements made between lonestar, and the then president of the bulls.  When we realized that those agreements were breached we took appropriate action, and like muck stated, it was one of the harder decisions that we have had to make.

[quote] Thanx, my son and his fellow team mates work really hard...Just so you know, that team was not hand picked, or select, etc...we have sign ups just like everyone else does....how would anyone even be able to select kids for a football team?  football is a sport of character and heart(for the successful teams)....you can't just waltz in to a school and pick that.....we had a great coaching staff and a great group of kids, you all know as well as I do, [color=red]every once in a  while a special group of kids come through and grow up together[/color]....that is one of those special groups. nobody recruited or went out and scouted....[color=red]as a matter of fact, that was the first year those kids had played together[/color]....they have been reunited at WB as of this year. Just because Clyde hadn't seen a team execute plays the [color=red]QB had been running since he was 7,[/color] means absolutely nothing.... Well, now I know, and the reason is as I suspected..... ::).... [/quote] So, that was the first year that these kids played together or not?  Hmmm.  The other reasons were that the agreement we had with Jay was that your kids were to come from four different elementary schools, and Jay understood this from the beginning, thats why Jay resigned, he did not want to face you guys with what he had done.  And like Mary said on this thread already, your kids came from all over Beaumont that year. Good luck with the rest of your season, I hear you guys are doing well.

??? ??? ???...Clyde...there it is again "Clyde" to funny...lol

[quote name="HORNS R #1" post="864035" timestamp="1286046744"] No i dont think we lost any body to the Bulls in the past [/quote]my bad!!

[quote name="HORNS R #1" post="864025" timestamp="1286046120"] I want some beaumont bull players ( can i have some can i have some ) [/quote]didnt you loose one of your better athletes to the bulls a couple of years ago????

[quote name="mfd814" post="863722" timestamp="1286004326"] I have been with the Bulls since 04. It has always been 1st come, 1st served.  never try out,   We were never told why the Senior team could not play in 05, and why only them. They went and played up in jasper that year, and the rest played here.  We were told after that, they wanted the teams seperated by schools in the West end, could not get enough kids from 2-3 schools to form one team, the kids were from all over Beaumont. Having been Bulls for 2 - 3 years, it would not have been fair to tell them you cannot play this year, because your at the wrong school. So BUlls moved to TIFI.  [/quote] Sure you were told!!! I myself, clyde, and muck had about a two hour conversation with Jay about it, he then freaked out and resigned as your leader. then we had the same conversation with the new guy that took over "the FBI guy". sorry if your own people didnt let you in own things!!

[quote name="player66" post="862736" timestamp="1285967936"] [quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=73711.msg861171#msg861171 date=1285807710] What league will be considered "The Best" if there's 1?? Or how would ya'll rank them 1,2,3 [/quote] This is ridiclous post in my opinion. All leagues rank 1 for the simple reason they all provide an oppurtunity for kids to play ball & cheer. Also, there is no way anyone can say their league is more competetive than the other. Every league at every age division talent changes from year to year. Besides all the league have different age and weight requirements.  [/quote] good post!!!!

[quote name="MoFo" post="862333" timestamp="1285936512"] Yes trashman I agree, you will have to let me know how to hide my out of town players better. I spoke with my friends from Silsbee yesterday to make sure I had my info correct, and I was spot on lived in Silsbee played in Lumberton, do tell how you do it.... By the way they also informed me of several Lumberton kids that played in Silsbee ...oh my what a wicked web we weave.....I feel sure the FBI is probably all over this by now... [/quote]Dont let them get to you Mofo, ur doing a good job out there.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D you just wait until I see old Clyde...lol

Good to see a kid in this area doing well, especially in a league as strong as TIFI.  Good luck to little C and the rest of the bulls.

[quote name="mwmuck" post="862408" timestamp="1285943004"] I was told I should get on here and see what is going on. I'm Mark Muckleroy. I was one of the original Founders of both of the leagues here. I now hold the positions of Coaches Representative for Lonestar and I am the founder and president for the Silsbee Association.  One of the original rules that we set down concerned ages. Five to twelve years old would be allowed to play. It is that simple. We do not distinguish between a 12 year old sixth grader or a 12 year old seventh grader. We leave that to the other league. The reasons that originally became an issue within the league that existed at that time had nothing to do with too much practice, homework, pediatricians, training or puberty. It had EVERYTHING to do with who could have 7th graders and who couldn't based on the school programs. Some schools, because of their athletic administration, will not allow anyone involved in their programs to be involved in any other program. Other programs feel that the more work the kid gets in that sport the better they will become. Those issues are outside the realm of what Lonestar considers. Since our inception as Southeast Texas Junior Football during the winter of 1999 we have only dealt with the idea of providing a service to the kids and parents of the area. We do not now, nor did we then, want to challenge the school systems that our kids feed into. Rather we wanted to help prepare and groom kids for greatness in their chosen sport. We respect the guidelines set down by our associated school districts but at the same time we are not going to turn away kids from one district that has no problem with a 12 year old playing in our league just because 12 year olds in another district are restricted by that district. We also do not decide what and how much is on the plate of the kids we serve. That is now and has always been the responsibility of the parents of those kids. They make those decisions. We hold firm to the idea that a 12 year old IS a 12 year old. We do not recognize puberty by association with a grade in school. On the contrary, we recognize that hormones have no respect for age, social status, placement in school or color of uniform. Lonestar Junior Football has no rules governing puberty, hormone displacement or hair on chest. By our rules, we accept anyone within our associations between the ages of 5 and 12 and anyone outside our league that has no league to play in. See how simple that is. No concern of the details. 5-12 years old qualifies. On the issue of the kids that play in this league that aren't within the districts in question. Every child playing in our league has been cleared and sanctioned by the administration of the league to the best of our ability. Those on here and elsewhere that squeal about cheating and recruiting and false records insult the work done to try and make this as honest and transparent as possible. Answers about this situation were given to the folks that came to us and asked like adults. We have had kids from Lumberton come and play with us before this season and it has never been an issue. Those that would like to become private investigators that would check into the truth on birth certificates, school report cards and utility bills should apply to work for the league at the same rate of pay that we all get for doing this. In fact, by the power invested in me as the Coaches Representative of Lonestar Junior Football I can guarantee that I will see to it that you get DOUBLE what each of the Board members and officers of the local Associations gets. How can you refuse an offer to work your tail off, endure lots of gripes with few thank-you's and dedicate every weekend for months on end. If this sounds like something that you have been itching to do then please apply today and become part of the solution.... ....or sit in front of the computer squirting out stuff you know nothing about and be part of the problem.   I am easy to find. My contact info is all over our website. I am always available to answer any question concerning any issue that may come up from anyone associated with any league. If I don't know the answer, I will find it. If there is a problem I will deal with it. Give us a chance to do that before spouting out rumor, innuendo and total BS about people doing volunteer work for the kids. That's why I came on here to set the record straight. Mark Muckleroy Coaches Representative Lonestar Junior Football and friend of Clyde     [/quote] ;D ;D ;D ;D...Clyde...to funny...

[quote name="Scalabrine" post="861551" timestamp="1285864685"] [quote author=mfd814 link=topic=73711.msg861516#msg861516 date=1285862901] I don't think you can say one is better then another. They all serve their purpose for the family's in them.  They all have good athletes, because they all teach their kids about more then just football. I believe they all put the kids 1st.  One kid maybe a superstar in one league and not in another.  They all have plus and minus reasons to join, depending on if you talk to a happy parent or a unhappy one.  [size=10pt][color=red]The biggest downfall for TIFI is the travel to Houston area for at least 5 games. [/color] [/size] The Bulls usually make it a all day thing, traveling together by teams, some even go up the night before. They also get to see other talent out there, they might come across in high school playoffs, instead of just local talent.  Lone star and STJFL are local and easier on the travel.  Just depends on what is best for you and yours. [/quote]I wouldn't consider that a downfall. Don't you think its better to play some of the future 5a players rather then staying local and only playing against 1-4a schools. [/quote] I wouldn't consider this a downfall eather but its like she said "just depends on what is best for you and yours."

[quote name="mfd814" post="861516" timestamp="1285862901"] I don't think you can say one is better then another. They all serve their purpose for the family's in them.  They all have good athletes, because they all teach their kids about more then just football. I believe they all put the kids 1st.  One kid maybe a superstar in one league and not in another.  They all have plus and minus reasons to join, depending on if you talk to a happy parent or a unhappy one.  The biggest downfall for TIFI is the travel to Houston area for at least 5 games. The Bulls usually make it a all day thing, traveling together by teams, some even go up the night before. They also get to see other talent out there, they might come across in high school playoffs, instead of just local talent.  Lone star and STJFL are local and easier on the travel.  Just depends on what is best for you and yours. [/quote] Good post!!!!!

[quote name="HORNS R #1" post="858174" timestamp="1285517817"] yes warren is bigger but H-J with the lumberton backs are faster you are right [/quote] Hahaha see what you started... ;D ;D ;D

[quote name="trashman" post="859609" timestamp="1285642038"] [quote author=HJRocks link=topic=73335.msg859563#msg859563 date=1285639530] [quote author=trashman link=topic=73335.msg859213#msg859213 date=1285616148] [quote author=Yep link=topic=73335.msg858934#msg858934 date=1285594298]   Just for everyones information.  There are 2 kids from Lumberton on the Hawks team  one running back and one lineman only. There are 2 other Lumberton kids that now live and go to school in HJ. I talked to the coach this weekend to check the facts on that. The game went into rain delay that went into a make up...HJ leads 7 to 0 midway through the first quarter, and was every bit the game everyone expected 2 really good squads going at each other. [/quote] Wow! its amazing how some areas play with the talent they have and build programs and even more amazing that some would go and recruit from other places to build their program! Did we forget these are kids and the morals you teach of how to be a winner can be tainted by cheating! I know for a fact that there are several kids on HJ junior and senior team that are students at Lumberton and do not attend HJ! I know the QB from HJ Jr. for sure goes to school in Lumberton but the parents have an old address in sour lake  ::)! Wow! So say what u like, the board should reevaluate how they let kids play from other areas that are not attending those particular schools. If that is the case everyone should recruit and build a team, but what are you saying to the kids of your own community? Are they not good enough to teach and build? Wow! U know it would be fair to say that Warren wins even if they lose because they are playing with kids from their community! Oh by the way my kids go to school with some of these kids on HJ team that is how I know they attend Lumberton school! [/quote]  Lonestar Football board makes up certification guidelines. I'm sure they'll give you a copy if you wish. How exactly do you "know" the HJ Jr. QB's family?  Someone is feeding you false information, & you are falling for it hojavascript:void(0);ok, line, and sinker. And, honestly, it's making you look kinda silly to the people that really know the facts about these kids, their living, family, & school situations. Just my opinion...  :o [/quo Well lets see if u know someone in the school like perhaps inside friend you can get a falsified report card and place that kids name on it! wow! Does that strike a bell! Well no need to discuss this any farther Its just unfortunate to the other teams in the league that people would go to this level to win a pee wee game! OMG!  Good luck to you HJ! Meaning the kids not the adults who have all this twisted for your kids! HF you r right he is a Lumberton kid by far! Maybe Lonestar should borrow my kids yearbook! Maybe I should send it to Clyde!   :o [/quote] Lol... who is Clyde...lol

oh geez here we go... somebody got their feelings hurt because little johnny's team got beat.  so let the rumors, half-truths and innuendo's fly.  Thie crap never ceases to amaze me.

[quote name="NPC" post="851054" timestamp="1284902380"] Here is my opinion: I think we can relate the state of the world's economy to this particular sitiuation.  All the bailouts were needed because someone was [b]GIVEN[/b] something because it was politically correct. Athletes and parents in today's time expect the samething, equal time and treatment. Unfortunatley, when these mislead kids get into the real world they want the same treatment but mom and dad can't intervene.  Point in hand, school and athletics play a key role in training our children for their future and I am not talking just academics. Adversity, challanges, failures and discontent are things that build character but some parents do not want there children to experience these things.   What happen to the day where it was prideful to just to be a part of a the team, get a uniform and [b]HAVE A CHANCE TO PLAY.[/b]  Bottom line when your child goes to work for his first time and he is not getting enough hours, working in the wrong department, feeling as if they are not being treated the same as the others they have 2 options: quit are pull up the bootstraps and grind to be noticed.  If I am not mistaking this is what used to be refered to as climbing the ladder of success.  Too many want to jump from the bottom to the top but you miss all the important steps in between.  Enough said!!!. By the way NPC stands for Never Politically Correct. [/quote] Great post!!! ;)

[quote name="bmrm" post="845871" timestamp="1284342210"] [quote author=VNUPE link=topic=72803.msg845393#msg845393 date=1284301599] Strongend, I hate to disagree with you. But what do you mean by limited coaches? The same coaches that work with the A team work with the B teams. And as far as sites and officials, are you saying we don't have enough money for that? Please.  [/quote] Thank you VNUPE - it is the same coaches & what does it matter if they coach four games one night or two games on two different nights.  Also the officiating excuse doesn't fly either - I work with two officials that have each officiated for over twenty years a piece & they said that's how it used to be - games on both Tuesday & Thursday night.  I know nothing is going to change this year since the schedules are already in place, but my son has told me this is his last year of playing school ball because he is tired of having to participate like everyone else and not getting the same treatment as the A teamers.    [/quote] Im not making excuses for the officials, im just saying "look what you get now" start having games on every Tuesday and Thursday and see what you get. '

[quote name="VNUPE" post="845393" timestamp="1284301599"] Strongend, I hate to disagree with you. But what do you mean by limited coaches? The same coaches that work with the A team work with the B teams. And as far as sites and officials, are you saying we don't have enough money for that? Please.  [/quote] Believe it or not, there are not enough officials to do that. Just look at what you get now!

[quote name="A Bear's Bear" post="822252" timestamp="1280586164"] Little Cypress's 8th grade team is supposed to be really good.  Both of Mauriceville's teams, ironically, are not predicted to do very well.  Unfortunately, it seems that the north part of LCM is undergoing a cultural change...people around the Middle School will understand what I'm talking about [/quote] come on bear...spell it out???

[quote author=Bucof2010 link=topic=69086.msg797146#msg797146 date=1272855016] Mayweather will handle Pacquaio when that time comes his record isn't an accident [/quote You might be right, Mayweather might just beat Pacquaio. We dont know and we may never know. and yea his record is no accident, there is no way to dodge that many good fighters on accident! even the commentators at the fight made refrence to his padded record, Larry Merahant even made fun of him and called Mayweather the "Artful Dodger".

[quote name="baseball25" post="794858" timestamp="1272291861"] I see Mayweather stifling Mosley’s offense enough to win a [b]115-113 [/b] or [b]116-112 [/b] unanimous decision. Mayweather will limit Mosley’s output, begin landing counter shots and straight rights and start putting some rounds in the bank in between 5-9, and then then 10-12 the championships rounds will be about who wants to be known as the greatest PFP in the WORLD!!!!! I can't wait for this fight, I am getting chill bumps just talking about this fight.  WOULDN'T be SUPRISE if SUGAR SHANE has one more big win up his sleeve. [/quote]By the time they get to the championship rounds shane will need a ko to win, but i sure would like to see mosley win!!!!!  I see it 116-112 are better for mayweather.

[quote name="JoshD" post="793572" timestamp="1271966419"] [quote author=oldschool_50 link=topic=68807.msg793571#msg793571 date=1271966258] [quote author=JoshD link=topic=68807.msg793464#msg793464 date=1271953063] [quote author=oldschool_50 link=topic=68807.msg793401#msg793401 date=1271943720] well...I once bumped into a guy at the mall whoes uncle's cousin's s stepbrother was a boxer...so i know ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ote author=JoshD link=topic=68807.msg793035#msg793035 date=1271881059] [/quote] I see, so u DO know about boxing!!!  :D [/quote]Yep......i been watching it all my life, so i know  ;) [/quote] my pappy was a golden glove boxer, so i know a thing or 2 myself [/quote] ??? ??? I thought your pappy flew the space shuttle ??? ???

[quote name="JoshD" post="793464" timestamp="1271953063"] [quote author=oldschool_50 link=topic=68807.msg793401#msg793401 date=1271943720] well...I once bumped into a guy at the mall whoes uncle's cousin's s stepbrother was a boxer...so i know ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ote author=JoshD link=topic=68807.msg793035#msg793035 date=1271881059] [/quote] I see, so u DO know about boxing!!!  :D [/quote]Yep......i been watching it all my life, so i know  ;)

[qu well...I once bumped into a guy at the mall whoes uncle's cousin's s stepbrother was a boxer...so i know ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ote author=JoshD link=topic=68807.msg793035#msg793035 date=1271881059] [quote name="baseball25" post="793002" timestamp="1271877203"] been watching it my whole life, and my brother is friends with ronnie shields so I have talked boxing with him, so I know a little bit about boxing, I haven't missed a big fight in 15 yrs, and I went to go see pacman vs clottey, taylor vs hopkins, and I am going to go watch mayweather vs pacman if the fights happens  8) so I feel I know some boxing and prob know more than you. [/quote] if you will notice i was talking to oldschool not you.... but you definitely DO NOT know more about boxing than me because you've watched it and talked to ronnie shields.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  I can watch the space shuttle take off 100 times and ask the astronauts how they liked the ride but it doesn't mean I know anything about it [/quote]