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Your point?????

I am narrow......I'm on that narrow path to the straight gate that leads to salvation.....you feel free to remain with the crowd, I'll do what God said to do..... Matthew 7:13-14English Standard Version (ESV) 13 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy[a] that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are

I know what you mean......I've gone to my iPad.....lol.... I never said Grace had to be earned......it is a gift from God, and God has told us what to do to receive His free gift......doing what God commands isn't earning Grace, it's what He expects us to do if we want His freely offered gift...... Luke 17:10English Standard Version (ESV) 10 So you also, when you have done all that you were commanded, say, ‘We are unworthy servants;[a] we have only done what was our duty.’” And he told us we must HEAR His Word and BELIEVE His Word...... Romans 10:17English Standard Version (ESV) 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. we must CONFESS publicly our belief that He Is The Messiah.... Matthew 10:32English Standard Version (ESV) 32 So everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven, and the the passage from Romans you have quoted also shows we must believe and confess.........we must REPENT of our past sins...... Luke 13:3, Acts 2:38........... and we we must be BAPTIZED, immersed in water to have those sins washed away........I have quoted all of the relevant passages several times for this one......this is how we are born again, of water and of The Spirit..... John 3:3-5English Standard Version (ESV) 3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again[a] he cannot see the kingdom of God.”4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. Then we must live faithful lives until we die.......Revelations 2:10....... THAT is the Gospel.......THAT is how we accept Gods freely offered gift of Grace........

If the Holy Spirit didn't want it, it wouldn't be accepted......my example is the fictional version the Jehovahs Witnesses made......if the Holy Spirit didn't want anything 'ripped from the Bible" it would not be...... i dont know know what happened on my previous post to garble it up......I was quoting Titus 3:4-7 Titus 3:4-7English Standard Version (ESV) 4 But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

How does one receive the free gift of Grace???? You ne must DO WHAT GOD SAID TO DO......Hebrews 11 and James 2 show us several examples of this......Noah was saved by Grace, Noah was saved by works......God told Noah what to do to be saved from the flood, and Noah DID what God told him to do.....Noah would not have been saved if his faith had not led him to obey God......and there are others in those chapters.......we are saved by Grace along with with faith and obedient works......your sins are washed away in the waters of baptism because that is the point your faith has led you to obedience......baptism is where you come into contact with the Blood of Christ and are cleansed...... Mark 16: 15-16....Acts 22:16..... Colossians 2:8-15English Standard Version (ESV) 8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits[a] of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. 11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. 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So for the third time, you must be a member of The Church founded by Christ to be saved......no man made denomination fits that definition......many congregations with church of Christ on the front door don't fit that definition.....so just going to a church of Christ does not save you.....DOING WHAT GOD SAID TO DO is what saves you.......

I will answer you with God's own Words...... Isaiah 55:8-9English Standard Version (ESV) 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

We judge them by their fruits.....what they are studying obviously led some of them to see nothing wrong with homosexual behavior or pedophilia......the problem lies with their lack of understanding of Gods Word.......there is nothing in our modern Bible that the Holy Spirit doesn't want in there......there is nothing left out of the Bible that the Holy Spirit wants included.......I don't care what uninspired men have to say about it......

Nothing about Grace in that passage, either.......so in your view, since belief and confession are all that's required, where does Grace come in????? I answered the question.........no one is saved that DOES NOT DO WHAT GOD COMMANDED........they must be baptized to have their sins washed away (scripture in earlier posts) and they must live faithfully until death (revelation 2:10)......living faithfully means worshipping in the manner God showed us to worship.......the only people doing that gather together with like minded believers in congregations called churches of Christ........so no, baptists,Methodists, or any others in man made denominations are saved........THAT is taught clearly in The New Testament.......

Jesus said one MUST be baptized to be saved...... Mark 16:15-16English Standard Version (ESV) 15 And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. the Holy Spirit backed that teaching up........Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, Romans 6:1-11, I Peter 3:21........ there is no denomination called "Church of Christ "......one must be a part of the Church that Christ established, the one He died for, and the one that is His bride....one is added to that Church by God when one becomes a Christian in the way God Commanded in the New Testament.......so yes, one must be in what is called in Romans 16:16 the Church of Christ to be saved....... Romans 12:4-5English Standard Version (ESV) 4 For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function, 5 so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.

Judge them by their fruit.......I guess all the pedophille and homosexual priests were putting those years of study and understanding to use???? I notice that you give a lot of opinion, but you have yet to give any Scripture to back it up.......

I am a Christian who follows the teachings of Christ and His Apostles which were laid out for us in the pages of the New Testament......I worship and work with a group of like minded Christians at Colmesneil church of Christ......

So then, according to you, all one has to do to be saved is believe and confess???

Matthew 7:21-23English Standard Version (ESV) I Never Knew You 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Please provide Scripture to support that........

Yet pointing out their sins is exactly what we are told to do......if someone does not recognize that they are a sinner, they are not able to repent......a gathering of God's people in isn't a touchy feely group therapy session......it is to worship God in the manner He told us to worship Him, and to challenge anyone not penitent to repent...

If you don't believe what God says and aren't willing to hear and obey His Word, you are wasting your time anyway.......just a cursory study of His word shows clearly that God wants obedient disciples, and if you aren't willing to be an obedient disciple, believing His Word, then you are right, you don't want to worship with a congregation of Gods people......that's your choice, though......

You are correct.....West Hardin won 5 - 4.......

We are to be prepared and we are expected to defend The Word anytime and anyplace....... 1 Peter 3:14-16English Standard Version (ESV) 14 But even if you should suffer for righteousness' sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled, 15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, 16 having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame God gave the commands it is our duty to obey Him.....if Romans 9 is a stand alone Scripture, then where does Grace enter the picture??? The thief on the cross lived under the Mosaic Law, plus Christ had already made the claim that He could forgive sin while on Earth if He so chose.... Matthew 9:6English Standard Version (ESV) 6 But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—he then said to the paralytic—“Rise, pick up your bed and go home.” According to God's Word, if you aren't baptized believing that baptism is the point where your sins are washed away, you are not saved.......your argument is with God, not me.....

They are not works on our part.....They are commands from God which must be obeyed if one is to be given the free gift of God's Grace.......you have taken one verse to show your false belief while ignoring the Scripture that shows you to be in error.....Acts 22:16 and I Peter 3:21 show clearly that baptism is required right along with Luke 13:3 and Acts 2:38 showing repentance is required......if you ignore the commands from God that you don't like, you are an unbeliever by definition as well......

You left out repentance and baptism.......God included them in HIS Plan of redemption.......Luke 13:3.....Acts 2:38....Mark 16: 15-16......I Peter 3:21.......Acts 22:16...... you also left out living faithful lives until our death....Revelation 2:10.......

I use the English Standard TRANSLATION.......

Yes it is, when all they have to do is study His Word and DO WHAT HE SAID TO DO.....

I looked that up....sounds like a good read......I'm going to order it and read it WITH an open Bible to make sure that he's teaching The Truth.....(Acts 17: 11)........

YOU said that......I said that I am a member of the Lord's Church that worships and works at Colmesneil church of Christ.....we make sure we are properly applying God's Word by doing what he commended the Bereans for doing in Acts 17: 11.......not all people who are in congregations of the Lord's Church are properly using and applying His Word, either.......in fact, very few will be saved, and those few are the ones who follow God's Word and DO WHAT HE SAID TO DO........ Matthew 7: 13 - 14; 21 - 23

If someone understands Scripture and applies it properly, they would not BE a catholic priest.........those "fundamentalist Christians" are not understanding or applying Scripture properly if they are members of man-made denominations and not of the Church founded by Jesus.......