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[Hidden Content] Interesting move by the CAA. Invites App st, COC, and Davidson.

[quote name="puddin tane" post="1230608" timestamp="1339696078"] [quote author=kingkat99 link=topic=100496.msg1230544#msg1230544 date=1339679480] Good luck if its true.  Youll need more than Umphrey money to make that travel schedule work.  A conference that essentially spans the US is DUMB... [/quote] agree kingkrap69 i thunked UNLV was over his WAC phase............. [/quote]As usual you thunk wrong. Lamar's new AD needs to make everything clear. If Lamar is staying FCS and SLC, then say it.

[quote name="kingkat99" post="1230553" timestamp="1339681907"] La Tech didnt do it.  They went West only.  In this new WAC teams would span from the East Coast to Idaho.  HUge difference. [/quote]If Lamar was in WAC-East, there would be a minimum of games played in the west. This would be part of the wac-east deal as stated. It would be like Lamar is in the SBC or CUSA with a few games out west. Not a bank buster.

La Tech did it and all they got was a CUSA invite. The WAC-East would be an extremely risky move for any school. Once in, everyone would be looking for the escape unless the long term goal is to split into 2 separate conferences in 4-5 years. Hmmm, could work.

Anyone care to speculate? [Hidden Content]

[quote name="kingkat99" post="1230362" timestamp="1339593363"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=100496.msg1230097#msg1230097 date=1339518434] What many don't understand is SHSU and Lamar are the same distant from downtown Houston. Huntsville micro-statistical area was added to Houston CSA. I am actually surprised BPT MSA has not already joined the Houston CSA. There is no SHSU advantage to claim Houston over Lamar and vise-versa. However both schools can make the case for being located close to Houston. Lamar's advantage is the half-million people in all southeast Texas. [/quote] For what its worth per mapquest Huntsville is 17 miles closer to Houston than Beaumont. ;)  I really dont want SH to make this kind of move, but Lamar is in a better position facilities wise and population wise.  Since these moves are based on the football program only thing Lamar really needs at this point is some sustained success to turn some heads. [/quote]Instead of highlighting our pro's, our fans would rather sit in the corner with their heads down, "we could never do it...sigh." A loser mentality.

[quote name="coachacola" post="1230300" timestamp="1339555092"] Seems like we keep having this conversation over and over and over again.  CUSA passed on App. State that averages 25K a game and took Charlotte who is still away from starting their football program only because of location.  LAMAR isn't getting invited to the CUSA.  But as I've stated before, LAMAR to the Sun Belt will probably happen in the near future because the Sun Belt will probably lose a few more teams and large conferences are becoming the norm.  UNLV, I know you love to blame the locals but us fans have no bearing on who CUSA or any other conference invites. [/quote]Let CUSA decide not to invite Lamar. Not you or Lamar or anyone else. Lamar should be trying to get the invite instead of playing the passive game. I was here when the locals kept quiet while Lamar dropped football and dropped down to the SLC. Now that Tubbs is gone, the "can't be done, Lamar needs to stay in the lowly SLC, Lamar can never be more than what it is, this area needs to support LSU or Texas instead" crowd is trying to regain power again. I'll shut up when I am banned or Lamar decides to stay in the SLC for good.

[quote name="NorthoftheBorder" post="1230255" timestamp="1339550607"] [quote author=wbfan link=topic=100496.msg1230246#msg1230246 date=1339547214] LU isn't ready for this kind of move... [/quote] Maybe not CUSA, but Sun Belt yes for sure. [/quote]The old CUSA gives the new CUSA the perception it is better than the Sunbelt. The reality is new CUSA and the Sunbelt are evenly matched and will be evenly matched for at least several years. One possibility, CUSA might try to expand by inviting the best 2 Sunbelt schools to get a leg up on the Sunbelt. Now do you see why I said the Sunbelt leadership is the moron club.

[quote name="coachacola" post="1230121" timestamp="1339522202"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=100496.msg1230097#msg1230097 date=1339518434] What many don't understand is SHSU and Lamar are the same distant from downtown Houston. Huntsville micro-statistical area was added to Houston CSA. I am actually surprised BPT MSA has not already joined the Houston CSA. There is no SHSU advantage to claim Houston over Lamar and vise-versa. However both schools can make the case for being located close to Houston. Lamar's advantage is the half-million people in all southeast Texas. [/quote] So you're saying the school presidents in the CUSA don't know this information?  I bet once they become aware of this an invite for Lamar will be coming shortly. [/quote]I don't know if they know this information. It is Lamar's job to inform them. However, they may believe Rice sufficiently covers Houston and Southeast Texas. This makes Lamar a long shot for CUSA but a near slam dunk for the Sunbelt. That is if Lamar wants FBS. The attitudes among this area is so backwards thinking.

What many don't understand is SHSU and Lamar are the same distant from downtown Houston. Huntsville micro-statistical area was added to Houston CSA. I am actually surprised BPT MSA has not already joined the Houston CSA. There is no SHSU advantage to claim Houston over Lamar and vise-versa. However both schools can make the case for being located close to Houston. Lamar's advantage is the half-million people in all southeast Texas.

This article mentions SHSU and SFA as the next 2 SLC that might move to FBS. No mention of Lamar. [Hidden Content]

[Hidden Content] How much anyone wants to bet that Lamar does nothing to sale itself.

[quote name="coachacola" post="1228560" timestamp="1338905660"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=100313.msg1228550#msg1228550 date=1338903605] [quote author=Green Menace link=topic=100313.msg1228544#msg1228544 date=1338902628] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=100313.msg1227968#msg1227968 date=1338568073] When you measure distants between 2 cities, use the downtown's and not the suburb. Using the Suburbs puts Beaumont 43 miles from Houston. 2nd, 1.9 million people makes round trips PER YEAR between Beaumont/Port Arthur MSA and Houston MSA. 29th busiest in the nation between MSA's. TX-Dot has the Crosby freeway, highway 90, as the second freeway that will eventually link the Beaumont area to Houston. [b]Ya know DFW, the future will bring a HBP, Houston-Beaumont-Port Arthur CSA.[/b] [/quote] Wow!  That's a stretch.  Bmt-Pt Arthur is an afterthought in the grand scheme of things.  Houston doesn't need us.  Hell, we can't even support an airline!  I'm a PA boy, lived there half of my adult life.  Pt Arthur died 40 years ago and nothing will bring it back. [/quote]Forth Worth doesn't have an airport with commercial flights. The point is, TX-dot has put a stop to Houston growing westward. Houston is now growing eastward. You need to check out the growth around Crosby and east of Mont Belvieu. When the Houston east growth catch up with what the west is today, Anahuac will be the east Katy. That population spill over will affect BPT. I think it already started. [/quote] Houston has been growing westward because it's nicer on that side of town.  East Houston is more industrialized so that tends to limit growth, but it's growing nonetheless.  Tx-Dot is slowly improving highway 90 and eventually it'll be a major highway between Beaumont and Houston. The BPT metro area population is at a all time high according to the 2011 census data at over 390K.  With more projects on the way I expect to see the population exceed 400K by the end of the decade.  I-10 between Beaumont and Winnie is next to be widened to 6 lanes, and the interchange at I-10 and Cardinal Drive will be redone, probably extending it to Washington Blvd and eventually Dowlen. Lamar will benefit from this growth, and as they develop the campus and the surrounding area will improve.  I doubt we'll see ever 30K students at Lamar but 18K to 20K would be good, especially if Lamar concentrates on engineering and business, producing graduates who will make good money. [/quote]The area is already above 400k, unofficially ofcourse. Areas with high minorities are under counted. The Water dept. would put Beaumont population at 135,000 instead of the census 118,000. In Houston, TX-dot bought up the land west of Katy to stop the westward growth. They didn't want to see a lopped sided Houston. They want downtown in the center. Once you get past the industries east of Houston, that land around the trinity river and Anahuac to Dayton will grow. Let me point out a con job by TX-Dot. In every category from DMA, MSA, etc etc Liberty and Chambers county and eastern Harris county is part of Houston. However TX-Dot has put those same areas in the Beaumont District. So when TX-Dot says the Beaumont district is getting millions for projects, that money is really a con to give Houston more money. The expansion of 146 in Baytown is a Houston project right? WRONG, all Beaumont. This is why needed projects in our area takes decades while Houston gets immediate service.

[quote name="ShlyKBMT" post="1228449" timestamp="1338839749"] Houston covers Rice and UH when things are slow or it's a major event. There are times we've called for footage and are told they didn't get it. Since we're ABC/NBC we have the option of getting video from Ch. 2 or 13. I showed the Sam Houston highlights because KTRK (ABC) was covering the Houston Regional. Houston doesn't cover Lamar or Sam Houston. Nor will Houston Baptist get much love when they join the SLC. KBTX 3 in Bryan sponsors Sam but isn't always there. Beaumont by far covers a SLC school more than anyone else. When we cover the tournaments the joke is when LU is eliminated media vanishes. [/quote]This type of media attention is what a CUSA could use. Sending of footage to each others market and espn.

[quote name="Green Menace" post="1228544" timestamp="1338902628"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=100313.msg1227968#msg1227968 date=1338568073] When you measure distants between 2 cities, use the downtown's and not the suburb. Using the Suburbs puts Beaumont 43 miles from Houston. 2nd, 1.9 million people makes round trips PER YEAR between Beaumont/Port Arthur MSA and Houston MSA. 29th busiest in the nation between MSA's. TX-Dot has the Crosby freeway, highway 90, as the second freeway that will eventually link the Beaumont area to Houston. [b]Ya know DFW, the future will bring a HBP, Houston-Beaumont-Port Arthur CSA.[/b] [/quote] Wow!  That's a stretch.  Bmt-Pt Arthur is an afterthought in the grand scheme of things.  Houston doesn't need us.  Hell, we can't even support an airline!  I'm a PA boy, lived there half of my adult life.  Pt Arthur died 40 years ago and nothing will bring it back. [/quote]Forth Worth doesn't have an airport with commercial flights. The point is, TX-dot has put a stop to Houston growing westward. Houston is now growing eastward. You need to check out the growth around Crosby and east of Mont Belvieu. When the Houston east growth catch up with what the west is today, Anahuac will be the east Katy. That population spill over will affect BPT. I think it already started.

If the fans had ranted up a storm, Lamar may not have dropped football and dropped down to your beloved SLC. BTW, where is Dr Simmons office?

[quote name="kingkat99" post="1228135" timestamp="1338605646"] Bein as I live in Little Cypress I couldn't tell you if they covered it or not... [/quote]Take a guess...

[quote name="kingkat99" post="1228014" timestamp="1338576311"] [quote author=puddin tane link=topic=100313.msg1227964#msg1227964 date=1338567553] [quote author=kingkat99 link=topic=100313.msg1227951#msg1227951 date=1338566444] Well if we you use the drive times youve posted on here stating that Beaumont is only an hour from Houston that would make Huntsville like 30-45 minutes tops and Huntsville is apart of the Houston media market along with the Sports Director and his side kick from at least one major TV station in Houston are SH alumni and follow the team closely already they very well could feasibly send a crew each week.  Also the Bryan College Station channel is at every home game so they could easily do what the Beaumont stations do.  As for the other reasons our Alumni base in the Houston area is bigger than Lamar's, We are closer in proximity and we have a satelite campus in The Woodlands, the houston media is saturated with Sam grads who are more than willing to cover things going on with the school. Those are just a few simple reasons without much thought as to why it would be easier not neccessarily reasons why it would happen as I agree neither school will ever "Carry" the market unless UT and the Aggys fall off the planet. [/quote] y'all crack me up...Houston coulg give a rats arse about Lamar or Sam... [/quote] Never said they did, just said if you were using the media market argument, I'd say Houston being apart of their footprint makes more sense for SH than Lamar at this point.  I could care less really as I perfectly happy where SH is at the present time.  Trust me Im not delusional. [/quote]Today our news showed highlights of the SHSU baseball game. Sorry you guys lost. BTW, did Huntsville news cover Lamar Golf?

[quote name="coachacola" post="1227891" timestamp="1338563010"] My prediction is that the Sun Belt will invite Lamar and New Mexico State next year.  All the chatter has been about adding App. State and Georgia Southern but I think there's going to be a power struggle between the east and west schools in the Sun Belt. This Mississippi is the dividing line between east and west.  Just looking at the football schools, there's 4 in the west and 6 in the east.  Adding App. State and GaSo and would really isolate Texas State.  Adding Lamar and NMSU would balance out the divisions.  I don't think it matters that much where UTA and UALR are located. Of course, they could add NMSU and App. State, or some other combination, or nobody at all.  I don't think it matters one bit what we say on this and other message boards, the schools presidents are going to do what they want to do. [/quote]I say 14-16 schools. App st for sure just help the SBC weak perception. I don't get the foot dragging.

When you measure distants between 2 cities, use the downtown's and not the suburb. Using the Suburbs puts Beaumont 43 miles from Houston. 2nd, 1.9 million people makes round trips PER YEAR between Beaumont/Port Arthur MSA and Houston MSA. 29th busiest in the nation between MSA's. TX-Dot has the Crosby freeway, highway 90, as the second freeway that will eventually link the Beaumont area to Houston. Ya know DFW, the future will bring a HBP, Houston-Beaumont-Port Arthur CSA.

[quote name="WOS95" post="1227804" timestamp="1338528903"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=99866.msg1227772#msg1227772 date=1338516996] When Tubbs met with CUSA 2 years ago, I was thinking no way. Today, CUSA is made up of schools just like Lamar. It would be mad awesome to restart that Lamar/La Tech rivalry again. Lamar, Tech, Tulane, UTSA, Rice, UNT, would put lots of traveling fans into each other stadiums and arenas because of the driving distant. [/quote] im all for being in a conference with those schools..but ill believe it when i see it... 8) [/quote]Not a bet I would take either. Fans need to put pressure on Lamar to try. MTSU is extremely loud about wanting to join CUSA.

[quote name="kingkat99" post="1227830" timestamp="1338556582"] [quote author=wbfan link=topic=100313.msg1227811#msg1227811 date=1338550530] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=100313.msg1227765#msg1227765 date=1338516507] [quote author=wbfan link=topic=100313.msg1227541#msg1227541 date=1338481644] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=100313.msg1227481#msg1227481 date=1338473788] [Hidden Content] They would rather have SFA or SHSU. I agree. [b]Put SHSU into that low academic dukes of hazard conference[/b]. Did Lamar destroy ULL in MBB last season? [/quote] As I recall, aren't you dying for Lamar to get into that "low academic dukes of hazzard conference"? You also have to be realistic, Lamar does not look like an attractive option to those on the outside epsecially. Otherwise, I would've went there after I graduated high school. This is just how a lot of people perceive LU. [/quote]No, I am not a SBC lover. I prefer the SBC over the SLC because of the FBS. Take away the SBC FBS, the SBC is another SLC. 2nd, you obvious can't see the flaw in your thinking. Lamar wasn't good enough for you yet you oppose Lamar bettering itself. That is called the SETX mentality. Opposing new schools, opposing new beautification projects, etc etc then telling the world how this area sucks is the SETX mentality. [/quote] I'm all for Lamar bettering itself. I just don't think LU is ready for FBS. There's not enough funding or support for it, [b]plus the Houston market is better carried by SHSU[/b]. [/quote] Let me first say that I in no way want SHSU to make a move, and I dont feel like we are in competition to see who can get there first, but SHSU would carry the Houston market light years before Lamar for a number of different reasons. [/quote]Neither Lamar or SHSU could carry Houston. UH couldn't carry Houston. Beaumont's Media has beamed over highlights of Lamar's games to be aired on the news in Houston. ESPN has received highlights. Where is the Huntsville tv stations to do the same?  Are you saying Houston will send a crew to cover all SHSU games?  please post your number of different reasons.

[quote name="wbfan" post="1227811" timestamp="1338550530"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=100313.msg1227765#msg1227765 date=1338516507] [quote author=wbfan link=topic=100313.msg1227541#msg1227541 date=1338481644] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=100313.msg1227481#msg1227481 date=1338473788] [Hidden Content] They would rather have SFA or SHSU. I agree. [b]Put SHSU into that low academic dukes of hazard conference[/b]. Did Lamar destroy ULL in MBB last season? [/quote] As I recall, aren't you dying for Lamar to get into that "low academic dukes of hazzard conference"? You also have to be realistic, Lamar does not look like an attractive option to those on the outside epsecially. Otherwise, I would've went there after I graduated high school. This is just how a lot of people perceive LU. [/quote]No, I am not a SBC lover. I prefer the SBC over the SLC because of the FBS. Take away the SBC FBS, the SBC is another SLC. 2nd, you obvious can't see the flaw in your thinking. Lamar wasn't good enough for you yet you oppose Lamar bettering itself. That is called the SETX mentality. Opposing new schools, opposing new beautification projects, etc etc then telling the world how this area sucks is the SETX mentality. [/quote] I'm all for Lamar bettering itself. I just don't think LU is ready for FBS. There's not enough funding or support for it, plus the Houston market is better carried by SHSU. [/quote]Lamar today already has a budget higher than a few FBS. Lamar already has ticket sales and attendance higher than a few FBS. Lamar could join the SBC today and compete at the top of the SBC commissioners cup. Don't be fooled into thinking the SBC is a big jump over the SLC. It's not. The minimum Lamar needs to do is add about 4,000 seats to the stadium, up the coaches pay, add about 17 scholarships, Lamar would not be the lowest FBS school in numbers. Ofcourse I want to see more than 4,000 seats and a better effort but the point is jumping to FBS is not as difficult of a task based on where Lamar stands today.

When Tubbs met with CUSA 2 years ago, I was thinking no way. Today, CUSA is made up of schools just like Lamar. It would be mad awesome to restart that Lamar/La Tech rivalry again. Lamar, Tech, Tulane, UTSA, Rice, UNT, would put lots of traveling fans into each other stadiums and arenas because of the driving distant.

[quote name="wbfan" post="1227541" timestamp="1338481644"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=100313.msg1227481#msg1227481 date=1338473788] [Hidden Content] They would rather have SFA or SHSU. I agree. [b]Put SHSU into that low academic dukes of hazard conference[/b]. Did Lamar destroy ULL in MBB last season? [/quote] As I recall, aren't you dying for Lamar to get into that "low academic dukes of hazzard conference"? You also have to be realistic, Lamar does not look like an attractive option to those on the outside epsecially. Otherwise, I would've went there after I graduated high school. This is just how a lot of people perceive LU. [/quote]No, I am not a SBC lover. I prefer the SBC over the SLC because of the FBS. Take away the SBC FBS, the SBC is another SLC. 2nd, you obvious can't see the flaw in your thinking. Lamar wasn't good enough for you yet you oppose Lamar bettering itself. That is called the SETX mentality. Opposing new schools, opposing new beautification projects, etc etc then telling the world how this area sucks is the SETX mentality.