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[quote name="LamarFanatic" post="992211" timestamp="1301796066"] O just curious unlv who are you wanting to be the next coach. [/quote] 1. Abatemarco....The best combo recruiter and tactician with a  boat load of experience of the bunch...NBA, WNBA, NBA-DL,etc etc.. Yes he screwed up as a young coach, but you shouldn't hold that against him when he is the best of the bunch. He has matured in the last 22 years, dumb business sense to hold a grudge. I can see him bringing in players from the east coast LU could never other-wise get. 2. Tucker...seems like a great tactician but I don't know if he can recruit. 3. Skelton...I think he can at least win at LU, But I don't see sweet 16 from him. Expect few years of building. 4. Cross...same as 3. Brooks, Price, Knight, Evans...Dumpster.

[quote name="AggiesWeAreNot" post="992165" timestamp="1301781540"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82332.msg992102#msg992102 date=1301768917] This coaching hunt is turning into a circus. We won't get anyone good. Evans is an idiot. If he had the job, he should have taken it. He will be assisting for a long time. Anyone for Abatemarco Yeaaaaaaaaaaaah? [/quote] The only thing worse than Abatemarco would be Knight or Tic Price.  If we hire Tic Price I may give away all of my LU possessions and walk around with bag over my head. [/quote]Yet this forum is making excuses for Knight. So what does that tell you?

[quote name="LamarFanatic" post="992128" timestamp="1301774103"] Ok it was a tough situation for his first HC job probably too much too early alot of pressure taking over for Bobby let him start his own chapter at Lamar. Roc beat Rose (byu) coach as well so whats ur point' [/quote]The point continue to be that no one wanted a proven loser as coach, yet  now most want and making excuses for a proven loser.

Pat Knight lost to Roc and has a losing record. Does that matter?

It seems now that Evans is out, the job will go to Knight. I'd like to point out how many of you said you don't want a proven loser to be hired. Will I hear a consistent message or excuses for Knight?

This coaching hunt is turning into a circus. We won't get anyone good. Evans is an idiot. If he had the job, he should have taken it. He will be assisting for a long time. Anyone for Abatemarco Yeaaaaaaaaaaaah?

[quote name="puddin tane" post="991585" timestamp="1301691576"] [quote author=Javelina link=topic=82535.msg991383#msg991383 date=1301668507] Other boards talk about not wanting Lamar into the WAC and Idaho has got to be the #1 opposer of Lamar to the WAC. Team                 games   Attendance      Avg. Game              Enrollment Louisiana Tech      6         116,908            19,485                  11,289 Utah St.              6         107,265            17,878                   25,065 [b]Lamar                    6           96,471               16,079                     14,386[/b] New Mexico St.     6          95,433            15,906                  17,198 San Jose St.         6          86,842            14,474                  32,746 [b]Texas St.               6            76,827              12,805                     32,586[/b] Idaho                  6          76,379            12,730                  11,957 [/quote] Nope..I AM THE NUMBER 1 opposer of moving to the WAC! look at that conference..a who's who of "who gives a dang" [/quote]Same for the SLC.

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[quote name="coachacola" post="991400" timestamp="1301669836"] I always thought Roc was trying to run his program like Calipari but he couldn't get those types of players to Lamar.  He couldn't adjust his coaching to match his players. [/quote]I agree. It takes a different style to run a SLC vs Big 12.

[quote name="Javelina" post="991383" timestamp="1301668507"] Other boards talk about not wanting Lamar into the WAC and Idaho has got to be the #1 opposer of Lamar to the WAC. Team                 games   Attendance      Avg. Game              Enrollment Louisiana Tech      6         116,908            19,485                  11,289 Utah St.              6         107,265            17,878                   25,065 [b]Lamar                    6           96,471               16,079                     14,386[/b] New Mexico St.     6          95,433            15,906                  17,198 San Jose St.         6          86,842            14,474                  32,746 [b]Texas St.               6            76,827              12,805                     32,586[/b] Idaho                  6          76,379            12,730                  11,957 [/quote]Should be posted on the WAC and La Tech board.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="991373" timestamp="1301667434"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82332.msg991371#msg991371 date=1301667319] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=82332.msg991362#msg991362 date=1301666564] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82332.msg991348#msg991348 date=1301664544] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=82332.msg991341#msg991341 date=1301664126] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82332.msg991250#msg991250 date=1301622744] [quote author=AggiesWeAreNot link=topic=82332.msg991245#msg991245 date=1301622277] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82332.msg989089#msg989089 date=1301272468] [quote author=puddin tane link=topic=82332.msg989082#msg989082 date=1301270381] They hire Abatemarco  and I will turn my back on LU forever....they can have my tickets and passes and tailgate spots..I'll burn my LU flags..they will never get one cent from me again....... [b]GO Pokes?...[/b]thats hard, but I can do it if he comes back....... btw...Bob West is a boob........... [/quote]What did Abatemarco do that was so bad? [/quote] Are you serious? NUMBER 1:  HE IS AN OBNOXIOUS NORTHEAST YANKEE KNOW IT ALL THAT TOOK GREAT PRIDE IN BASHING BEAUMONT.  NUMBER 2, THE ONLY PLACE HE HAD ANY SUCCESS WAS HERE. [/quote]With exception of being from the northeast, can't we say that about 70 percent of the population. I'm willing to forgive if he can win here. [/quote]Dude, why do you continue to hold this guy's nuts? [/quote]22 years....  I say go with experience this time.   NBA,WNBA, NBA-DL, NCAA National Championship. [/quote]Sorry, you need a coach who will recognize, recruit, and get the talent of players who can compete at a mid-major conference. The talent pool ain't that great out there once you start looking at the 100-200 players in the lower rankings. [/quote]Roc was a coach who could recognized and recruit. Lamar needs a tactician. A tactician wins the SLC, a recruiter wins the big east. [/quote]Wrong!he could not put into play what he had recruited and instill a belief system in his players. [/quote]Exactly, Roc is not a tactician.

Hmmmm, it seems Terry can't control his mouth much like a young Abatemarco did. "Evans would consider a move to Lamar to be a step down."  Lamar is below a DII is very insulting.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="991362" timestamp="1301666564"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82332.msg991348#msg991348 date=1301664544] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=82332.msg991341#msg991341 date=1301664126] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82332.msg991250#msg991250 date=1301622744] [quote author=AggiesWeAreNot link=topic=82332.msg991245#msg991245 date=1301622277] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82332.msg989089#msg989089 date=1301272468] [quote author=puddin tane link=topic=82332.msg989082#msg989082 date=1301270381] They hire Abatemarco  and I will turn my back on LU forever....they can have my tickets and passes and tailgate spots..I'll burn my LU flags..they will never get one cent from me again....... [b]GO Pokes?...[/b]thats hard, but I can do it if he comes back....... btw...Bob West is a boob........... [/quote]What did Abatemarco do that was so bad? [/quote] Are you serious? NUMBER 1:  HE IS AN OBNOXIOUS NORTHEAST YANKEE KNOW IT ALL THAT TOOK GREAT PRIDE IN BASHING BEAUMONT.  NUMBER 2, THE ONLY PLACE HE HAD ANY SUCCESS WAS HERE. [/quote]With exception of being from the northeast, can't we say that about 70 percent of the population. I'm willing to forgive if he can win here. [/quote]Dude, why do you continue to hold this guy's nuts? [/quote]22 years....  I say go with experience this time.   NBA,WNBA, NBA-DL, NCAA National Championship. [/quote]Sorry, you need a coach who will recognize, recruit, and get the talent of players who can compete at a mid-major conference. The talent pool ain't that great out there once you start looking at the 100-200 players in the lower rankings. [/quote]Roc was a coach who could recognized and recruit. Lamar needs a tactician. A tactician wins the SLC, a recruiter wins the big east.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="991341" timestamp="1301664126"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82332.msg991250#msg991250 date=1301622744] [quote author=AggiesWeAreNot link=topic=82332.msg991245#msg991245 date=1301622277] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82332.msg989089#msg989089 date=1301272468] [quote author=puddin tane link=topic=82332.msg989082#msg989082 date=1301270381] They hire Abatemarco  and I will turn my back on LU forever....they can have my tickets and passes and tailgate spots..I'll burn my LU flags..they will never get one cent from me again....... [b]GO Pokes?...[/b]thats hard, but I can do it if he comes back....... btw...Bob West is a boob........... [/quote]What did Abatemarco do that was so bad? [/quote] Are you serious? NUMBER 1:  HE IS AN OBNOXIOUS NORTHEAST YANKEE KNOW IT ALL THAT TOOK GREAT PRIDE IN BASHING BEAUMONT.  NUMBER 2, THE ONLY PLACE HE HAD ANY SUCCESS WAS HERE. [/quote]With exception of being from the northeast, can't we say that about 70 percent of the population. I'm willing to forgive if he can win here. [/quote]Dude, why do you continue to hold this guy's nuts? [/quote]22 years....  I say go with experience this time.  NBA,WNBA, NBA-DL, NCAA National Championship.

[quote name="coachacola" post="991283" timestamp="1301625937"] According to the Beaumont Enterprise, Tom Abatemarco wasn't interviewed and he's not in the top 8. [/quote]LU is keeping tight lipped on it's star interview.

[quote name="AggiesWeAreNot" post="991245" timestamp="1301622277"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82332.msg989089#msg989089 date=1301272468] [quote author=puddin tane link=topic=82332.msg989082#msg989082 date=1301270381] They hire Abatemarco  and I will turn my back on LU forever....they can have my tickets and passes and tailgate spots..I'll burn my LU flags..they will never get one cent from me again....... [b]GO Pokes?...[/b]thats hard, but I can do it if he comes back....... btw...Bob West is a boob........... [/quote]What did Abatemarco do that was so bad? [/quote] Are you serious? NUMBER 1:  HE IS AN OBNOXIOUS NORTHEAST YANKEE KNOW IT ALL THAT TOOK GREAT PRIDE IN BASHING BEAUMONT.  NUMBER 2, THE ONLY PLACE HE HAD ANY SUCCESS WAS HERE. [/quote]With exception of being from the northeast, can't we say that about 70 percent of the population. I'm willing to forgive if he can win here.

[quote name="stevenash" post="991208" timestamp="1301616127"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82500.msg991190#msg991190 date=1301613317] Tom, nobody cares about Terry.  >:( >:( [/quote] I heard that he was in Beaumont enjoying some fine Italian food. [/quote]I sure hope we can please him this time around.

Tom, nobody cares about Terry.  >:( >:(

Anyone see Tom on campus?  maybe shaking hands with Tidwell?  maybe wearing a Lamar shirt? Anyone?

[quote name="SabineRavine" post="990043" timestamp="1301444669"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82332.msg990019#msg990019 date=1301443105] Ok you want to take it there. I'll take it there. Lets talk about dumb for 22 years. Lamar has picked coaches using this forum mentality. He is such and such son, he was assitant under X, he is from this area, he has a great record coaching sub DI, a great record vs piney tree college, he played for Lamar. Now that is dumb. No one is talking true coaching skills. We can debate Abatemarco coaching skills all day and disagree. But here is what my man brings to the table NYIT Iona Davidson St John under Lou Carnesecca North Carolina st under Jim Valvano...1983 National Championship Lamar Drake Sac st Colorado Virginia Tech Maryland under Lefty Driesell Utah Rutgers NBA-DL WNBA NBA I call that EXPERIENCE. Abatemarco would bring to Lamar that east coast style that got Butler and VCU to the final four. Abatemarco could bring NBA tactics that would kill all SLC or challenge USU in the WAC. What your guy has? [/quote] OK, I'll bite. NYIT, Iona, Davidson, St. Johns, Virginia Tech, Maryland, and NC State were all prior his first stint at LU, so that pretty much excludes them as all that "experience" showed no effect when he was at LU. You mentioned that he coached under Lou Carnesecca and Jim Valvano, but in your description of this forum's mentality, one of the problems with previous coaching hires is that "he was assitant under X".  So those two points you emphasize are by your own admission a reason against hiring him.  Sac State and Drake . . . .well . . . That leaves CU, a year at Utah, and Rutgers for college experience.  Middle-of-the-pack finishes at best. NBA-DL as an assistant, WNBA, and management in the NBA.  Could easily be said he wasn't sure exactly what he wanted to do. I have to agree, I think you fail to make a compelling argument as to why this is supposed to be the guy.  I would bet there are 100 college assistants with more experience.    [/quote]Which one of those 100 is in LU list?

Ok you want to take it there. I'll take it there. Lets talk about dumb for 22 years. Lamar has picked coaches using this forum mentality. He is such and such son, he was assitant under X, he is from this area, he has a great record coaching sub DI, a great record vs piney tree college, he played for Lamar. Now that is dumb. No one is talking true coaching skills. We can debate Abatemarco coaching skills all day and disagree. But here is what my man brings to the table NYIT Iona Davidson St John under Lou Carnesecca North Carolina st under Jim Valvano...1983 National Championship Lamar Drake Sac st Colorado Virginia Tech Maryland under Lefty Driesell Utah Rutgers NBA-DL WNBA NBA I call that EXPERIENCE. Abatemarco would bring to Lamar that east coast style that got Butler and VCU to the final four. Abatemarco could bring NBA tactics that would kill all SLC or challenge USU in the WAC. What your guy has?

[quote name="stevenash" post="989672" timestamp="1301409020"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82332.msg989651#msg989651 date=1301407471] [quote author=badndn link=topic=82332.msg989397#msg989397 date=1301340879] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82332.msg989283#msg989283 date=1301328279]That is not true. Caldwell and Jackson were Abatemarco recruits. [b]Lamar ran him out of town following a 20-11 season. [/b] Drake ran him out before he could rebuild a bad program. It was over for him when he got to Sac st. He did it to himself. However holding a grudge does not make good business sense and won't get LU wins.[/quote] Pretty sure he left on his own accord. Didn't he jump to Drake because he thought it was a better opportunity? [/quote]He did but it was a mob at his door. He won't get hired but I put him as my pick if I was boss. [/quote] Sure- and is it because he is such an X & O genius?  Or is it his communication skills? [/quote]Because LU don't have the umph to bet big. I lived in Las Vegas many years. It is the small time betters that built that city. The big betters are the big winners.

[quote name="badndn" post="989397" timestamp="1301340879"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82332.msg989283#msg989283 date=1301328279]That is not true. Caldwell and Jackson were Abatemarco recruits. [b]Lamar ran him out of town following a 20-11 season. [/b] Drake ran him out before he could rebuild a bad program. It was over for him when he got to Sac st. He did it to himself. However holding a grudge does not make good business sense and won't get LU wins.[/quote] Pretty sure he left on his own accord. Didn't he jump to Drake because he thought it was a better opportunity? [/quote]He did but it was a mob at his door. He won't get hired but I put him as my pick if I was boss.

[quote name="SabineRavine" post="989290" timestamp="1301329001"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82332.msg989269#msg989269 date=1301327509]he is a great X and O guy[/quote] Any college basketball coaching staff member in America will be called "a great x's an o's guy" if you ask the right people.  IT'S THEIR JOB. Maturity?  Well, even hardened criminals seem to find remorse when it comes time for parole eligibility.  If anything, Abatemarco is the "safe" hire given his prior time at LU.  The risky hire comes from thinking outside box such as selecting from coaches who have proven they can win consistently with fewer resources.  Evans and Cross move up in my book.  Oh well; I guess I'm not a "forward thinker". 70-121.  'Nuff said.  Move along . . .      [/quote]No. You have it backwards. The safe bet would be Cross or Evans do to their records. So if Cross and Evans is a flop, then everyone can still understand why they were hired. But if Abatemarco is a flop, oh boy.

[quote name="stevenash" post="989271" timestamp="1301327762"] I am very curious how someone "declares" that Abatemarco is some X and O genius.  Wouldn't you have to be pretty knowledgeable about X's and O's in order to be qualified to evaluate that same ability in others?  My guess is that most of us on this board and those in the media are NOT qualified in any way to say(with credibility) who is good and who isn't with X's and O's.  It sounds good when you say it but most of those statements are empty words.  Reminds me of "shovel ready projects" -  Plenty of appeal but absolutely no substance.  It's great if you  know how to run this play or that play but if you don't have the right players and then, if those right players aren't properly motivated, how great is the value of that alleged X and O knowledge?  Additionally, if one lacks the skill to effectively communicate with the public, how can you assume one has the skill to do the same with his players/staff? [/quote]Bobby Knight cough cough