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[quote name="WOSgrad" post="989257" timestamp="1301326575"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82332.msg989212#msg989212 date=1301321253] You can't look at record as a coach only[/quote] Yes, you can.  You can talk about X's and O's, you can talk about recruiting, but ultimately, it is whether a coach wins, which is something documented by your own words below. [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82332.msg989212#msg989212 date=1301321253] Tubbs was a huge failure in his second stay at Lamar. Abatemarco was the last coach at Lamar to win 20 games. [/quote] All the more reason not to bring back Abatemarco back.  Tubbs actually built a winner at Lamar, at Oklahoma. That 20 win season at Lamar is the only season Abatemarco has had a winning record as a head coach at 3 different stops, why bring back a losing coach?  Abatemarco couldn't recruit well enough or do enough x's and o's to keep Lamar above .500 and he had some players left from Foster's stay.  I like you, UNLV, I think you are a smart person, but I think you are overrating Abatemarco's skills. [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82332.msg989212#msg989212 date=1301321253] I remember how excited I was to see his 3rd year. [/quote] I think you might have been the only one. [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82332.msg989212#msg989212 date=1301321253] Abatemarco got ran out of town because of his mouth. He went to Drake and he became a coach that is known for verbally abusing players, just like Bobby Knight. The difference between Knight and Abatemarco is Knight was tolerated. [/quote] You are absolutely correct that Knight got away with things that Abatemarco (and many others) could not get away with.  And you know why that is?  Because Knight won basketball games and consistently lead his teams to Big 10 championships and NCAA title appearances!  As dumb as the comments were that he made about Beaumont, had Abatemarco repeated the 20 win season at Lamar, I am quite sure that Billy Franklin, the buffoon that he was, would have found a way to keep him at Lamar. For Abatemarco to be considered amongst the top candidates leads me to believe that Lamar needs to KEEP LOOKING. [/quote]That is not true. Caldwell and Jackson were Abatemarco recruits. Lamar ran him out of town following a 20-11 season. Drake ran him out before he could rebuild a bad program. It was over for him when he got to Sac st. He did it to himself. However holding a grudge does not make good business sense and won't get LU wins. Lets not get carried away with this.  I think he is best on the list in X and O's and experience. I seriously doubt LU would be bold enough to give him a second chance.

[quote name="becktobigs" post="989264" timestamp="1301327040"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=82332.msg989115#msg989115 date=1301276197] [quote author=geezer link=topic=82332.msg989111#msg989111 date=1301275568] The biggest thing Abettamarco did at the time that I am familiar with was he said that Patrizi's was a poor excuse for an Italian resturant.  The other thing was jump ship to what he believed was a stronger basketball conference after only two years. [/quote]I asked  puddin because I believe he didn't know and his opinion was just a follow the crowd. Abatemarco basically said he didn't like the City of Beaumont because we lacked Italian restaurants. Keep in mind this was long before Dowlen we know today. He was also a bit overbearing. But that's it. His crime of the century; bad mouthing Beaumont. Let he who has never spoken negative about Beaumont cast the first stone. [/quote]Those Italian resturaunts were run by members of the Italian-American community who welcomed him with open arms.  They felt betrayed when he started trashing them in Eastern newpapers.  He also signed up to do commericials where he would throw away the script and say whatever came into his head--not the best way to treat sponsors.  I usually agree with the guy who does his homework, Bob West, but it's beyond me why Bob thinks Tom was such a good Xs and Os guy.  The Cards spent the better part of two seasons in gimmick defenses, box and one, triange and two, to the point where you wondered what the base defense was.  [/quote]Because he is a great X and O guy. Stop confusing his basketball skills with his speaking before thinking.

I also think we can pay Abatemarco less until he can prove his worth and prove he can keep his mouth shut. He needs Lamar more than Lamar needs him.

[quote name="ForeverADog" post="989161" timestamp="1301296438"] UNLV, I'm confused on why you think Abetamarco is the right coach? He has proven at multiple stops he is not a good coach at all. He doesn't win. Where does he get this reputation as a great coach? [/quote]You can't look at record as a coach only. Tubbs was a huge failure in his second stay at Lamar. Abatemarco was the last coach at Lamar to win 20 games. I remember how excited I was to see his 3rd year. Abatemarco got ran out of town because of his mouth. He went to Drake and he became a coach that is known for verbally abusing players, just like Bobby Knight. The difference between Knight and Abatemarco is Knight was tolerated. Abatemarco went on to coach in many places including the WNBA and NBA. He has grown up and is wiser. At least that is what I saw in an interview. Cross, Evans, and Skelton look very good on paper. However I am very nervous about them. I am sick of  losing at Lamar and do not feel like waiting 3-4 years for a new coach to build a program AND on the job DI training. Lamar should be dominating the SLC. I'm am 99.9 percent sure Abatemarco could in his first year. You can't say he lack experience. [Hidden Content]

[quote name="geezer" post="989111" timestamp="1301275568"] The biggest thing Abettamarco did at the time that I am familiar with was he said that Patrizi's was a poor excuse for an Italian resturant.  The other thing was jump ship to what he believed was a stronger basketball conference after only two years. [/quote]I asked  puddin because I believe he didn't know and his opinion was just a follow the crowd. Abatemarco basically said he didn't like the City of Beaumont because we lacked Italian restaurants. Keep in mind this was long before Dowlen we know today. He was also a bit overbearing. But that's it. His crime of the century; bad mouthing Beaumont. Let he who has never spoken negative about Beaumont cast the first stone.

[quote name="WBbear" post="989087" timestamp="1301271996"] I don't believe Abatemarco will get enough votes to be the next coach. [/quote]I wouldn't bet on it either. However I would like the next LU MBB coach to be hired for skills and not because he is popular, fan favorite, safe, or who he knows.

[quote name="puddin tane" post="989082" timestamp="1301270381"] They hire Abatemarco  and I will turn my back on LU forever....they can have my tickets and passes and tailgate spots..I'll burn my LU flags..they will never get one cent from me again....... [b]GO Pokes?...[/b]thats hard, but I can do it if he comes back....... btw...Bob West is a boob........... [/quote]What did Abatemarco do that was so bad?

The last time Tubbs/Simmons picked the forum favorite, we got Roc. I say go outside the box of picking the good SAFE guy. You all worry about what others thing so we end up picking the safe guy instead of the best basketball brain. Lamar didn't choose Floyd because he was nutts and proved it the last 20 years. I honestly believe Abatemarco is nutts enough to get Lamar to the sweet 16. As a Lamar fan, I am tired of losing with the nice safe coach. If you want LU to win this upcoming season, Abatemarco is the guy. I'm not saying the others can't, I don't know. I do know what an Abatemarco can do with the current talent and SLC. Win it all.

I rarely agree, if ever, with Bob West but he is right on this "For those who roll their eyes when Abatemarco is mentioned, Lamar could do much worse.  He’s easily the best basketball tactician and in-game strategist to sit at the end of the LU bench since Pat Foster, and that was 20 plus years ago when he was young and immature." Abatemarco is the best X and O guy on the Lamar list...End of Story. Abatemarco can out recruit Roc. However his negative is his mouth. He reminds me of Mike Tyson or Ali. with the mouth. Great talent but runs off at the mouth. In a interviewed done a few years ago, you can  see he has humbled up. But I think he can still rub many the wrong way. Cross would be a good coach too. Abatemarco and Cross would produce first year good results because Lamar already has the talent, experience, and style that fits Abatemarco and Cross style. I am worried but willing to give the benefit to a Sutton or Knight or Evans. I still say no to Brooks.

Abilene Christian and Central Oklahoma would be the best option.

Anyone know if the Southland plan on replacing UTSA and Texas st. If so, what are they waiting on? 2012 schedules need to be ready soon.

Outside the box, Todd Triplett: international men's basketball coach, owner Las Vegas Aces.

[quote name="sleepy" post="987331" timestamp="1300890862"] If LU hires back Abatemarco they have literally lost their minds! [/quote]Unlike the last 20 years of hires. Either we get the best coach or get use to losing just to be PC.

[quote name="coachacola" post="987307" timestamp="1300888567"] Here's the list from Bob West: Pat Knight Sean Sutton Don Skelton Matt Cross Tom Abatemarco Steve Green Alvin Brooks Glenn Cyprien [Hidden Content] [/quote] Pat Knight-NO Sean Sutton-NO Don Skelton-YES Matt Cross-YES Tom Abatemarco-YES Steve Green-I know little about him Alvin Brooks-NO Glenn Cyprien-NO Of the 3, Abatemarco is the best over all in recruiting and coaching. But he has issues, his mouth. And will the community accept him back? Cross style fits the current team so some succes could come quickly. However he is a gamble, DI is very different from the lower Divisions. Skelton style could work in the SLC or WAC. However I think it would take him 2-3 years to build.

[quote name="JJWooten" post="986701" timestamp="1300808716"] [quote author=coachacola link=topic=82053.msg986668#msg986668 date=1300804738] Without the SLC tourney then no conference games would be on ESPN.  Besides, if the best team in the SLC can't win the conference tourney then I doubt they will be able to win a game in the NCAA tourney.  The SLC is a weak basketball conference so it really doesn't matter what they do. [/quote] Before anyone jumps on the WAC bandwagon, just know that the Weak A$$ Conference isn't any better at basketball. Their start team, Utah State (who went 30-4 over the season) landed the WAC's only bid to the NCAA tournament at a 13 seed and got to lose to Kansas State in the 1st round (well, technically second if you ask the NCAA). Let's just say SLC basketball isn't the only bad basketball conference. [/quote]It is still better to be in a weak WAC basketball than a weak Southland. FBS hint hint

Mike Dunlap (St. Johns assistant) would be good for LU.

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Basketball season is over. It is time for LU to move to the WAC. After announcing the WAC move, this should attract a higher caliber of coaches applying for the MBB job. It would also help in finding a good WBB coach if Tidwell step down. Get right Lamar.

Alvin Brooks, Willis, I would cry and hide.

[quote name="Cat79" post="983027" timestamp="1300214517"] [quote author=NorthoftheBorder link=topic=81226.msg981326#msg981326 date=1299877276] [quote author=Cat79 link=topic=81226.msg981214#msg981214 date=1299866680] [quote author=bigred360 link=topic=81226.msg980309#msg980309 date=1299722283] I support a move to a FBS conference if we have the money and resources to be competitive in all the sports in which we compete. I'll reframe for any other comments because I'm sure a lot of people will disagree and I honestly don't have the time for a debate. [/quote] I hope you guys are in the WAC. Here is what the Texas State 2012 schedule will look like: @Houston 9/2012 Rumored to be our home opener-Texas Tech  or Missouri 9/2012 Nevada in San Marcos 9/2012 UTSA La Tech San Jose State UTAH St Idaho New Mexico State @Navy  11/2012 Still have 2 dates to fill-Lamar could be one of them [/quote] I'd say that is a pretty strong schedule! [/quote] Texas Tech has been confirmed to open the Expanded Bobcat Stadium in 2012 [/quote]Yeah, katfans are fuming near riot angry AKA jeolous of this news. I only wish it was Lamar. Texas Tech at Lamar would would be unbelievable news and send katfans into myocardiac infarction. If Lamar don't jump to the WAC, Lamar 2012 opening game might be Montclair st or Mary Hardin-Baylor.

It is winnable. However the last time the Lady Cards played Arkansas in the post season, Lamar handed it to them

Lamar Ladies play Arkansas.

I didn't say anything about the WAC at the press conference. It was a tv report explaining the Roc firing.

Someone in the media made an oops on live TV by saying [I'm paraphrasing] Roc performance was not good enough as Lamar prepare for the Western Athletic Conference.

Any word on the WAC?  WAC news would be far more exciting than Roc news.