shorttexas1

Honestly it is MORE embarrassing to have your game stopped for MERCY than to compete until the clock reads 00:00!

You guys talk like Yates recuits!  They have the same opportunity to get kids as good as they have or as bad as Lee has.  The playing fields are level, they both play by UIL rules, and they both suit up to COMPETE!!! WIN or LOSE!

[quote name="GCMPats" post="739942" timestamp="1262891085"] [quote author=shorttexas1 link=topic=64409.msg739906#msg739906 date=1262888495] [quote author=GCMPats link=topic=64409.msg739894#msg739894 date=1262887230] [quote author=shorttexas1 link=topic=64409.msg739870#msg739870 date=1262885990] [quote author=GCMPats link=topic=64409.msg739858#msg739858 date=1262885281] [quote author=shorttexas1 link=topic=64409.msg739847#msg739847 date=1262884371] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=64409.msg739826#msg739826 date=1262882987] [quote author=shorttexas1 link=topic=64409.msg739732#msg739732 date=1262870574] [quote author=Kountzer link=topic=64409.msg739687#msg739687 date=1262838538] There are lots of poor and working class immigrants living near Lee High School.   Basketball is not the sport of choice in that area.  it is probably soccer.  It is an old and run down school.  There are some affluent families in that area.  They send their children to expensive private schools.   Yates running up the score on Lee is classless.   That would be like one of the big suburban schools beating Yates by 10 runs in baseball.  It is too easy to do, and therefore not that big a deal. [/quote] What does class have to do with basketball?  Nobody cries when teams beat the Jags by 20 goals in soccer or when Lake Travis beats teams 50 to nothing!  I have seen the suburban baseball teams drag these same inner city schools by 20+ runs!  I guess since these are inner city black kids, this big wins is a definition of class?  All these kids play one way, and that is all they know.  A lot of what they do wont even transfer to the college game, but that is what they know.  Even if you back them down to the half court they would swarm and play aggressive!!! What's classy is how these kids represented themselves in Hawaii and Alabama.  What’s class is how these kids have positioned themselves to attend college academically and financially.  What's classy is how this is the ONLY ranked team with no kid listed in any scouting polls top 100 (first time it has occurred in history of ranking high school players!)  Do me a favor, go sit at one of these high school soccer game and baseball games and call those kids classless too!!! Other than that.. You need to check yourself! [/quote] Short, nobody is calling the kids "classless" or at least I am not. They just played how the coach instructed them to do. Wise on the other hand, that's a different story. He could have done something to keep it from getting like this but he CHOSE to allow it to continue. I have seen many 60-70 point blowouts, those games just happen. But you'll never convince me that Wise did not go out of his way to get a 135 point win. That score was forced, it didn't just happen that way becasue they were that much better than Lee. They proved that they were better before the game really started. But if you are up 100-12 at half, do you think the game has been decided already? ::) [/quote] ok... aLL i AM SAYING IS THAT IT DOESNT MATTER HOW HE RUNS THE SCORE UP.  THIS IS SPORTS, NOT FOR BABIES, IF YOU CANT  STOP ME WHY SHOULD I STOP MYSELF?  THIS IS A BIG BOYS GAME AND I SAY PLAY OR QUIT...  I HAVE SEEN MACK BROWN UP BY 30 RUN A FAKE FIELD GOAL ON RICE AND NOBODY CALLS HIM CLASSLESS!  MIKE LEACH BEATS D2 SCHOOLS BY 70 FAITHFULLY... IS HE CLASSLESS?  HE IS JUST RUNNING "GAME TIME" SCHEMES TO SEE IF THEY WORK, RIGHT! MACK BROWN BEAT TEXAS PAN-AMERICA 104-42 THIS YEAR, IS HE CLASSLESS?  COACH k WHIPPED PENN 116-55, IS HE CLASSLESS?  I AM JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE SOME DOUBLE STANDARDS! WISE PLAYED ALL OF HIS PLAYERS, JUST LIKE ALL OF THE ABOVE COACHES.  NONE OF THEM CHANGED THE GAME!!! THEY PLAYED AND PLAYED HARD DOWN TO THE 3RD STRING!  tHERE IS ONLY ONE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GREG WISE AND THE ABOVE COACHES! I DONT CARE WHETHER IT WAS ACADEMICS OR SPORTS, I WANTED TO BE THE BEST AND CREAM THE COMPETITION.. TAKE THEIR HEARTS AND SCARE ANYONE THAT STEPS IN FRONT OF ME IN THE FUTURE!  IF YOU CAN'T FIELD A COMPETITIVE TEAM, THAT IS YOUR OWN PROBLEM. [/quote] The main difference is that those guys coach in college. Wise is a high school educator first and then a coach. You are comparing apples and oranges. (The color of his skin means nothing to me. I assume, that you assume the color of MY skin?) No coach, at any level, should seek to embarrass their opponent. [/quote] i NEVER SAID SKIN COLOR... BUT GOOD OBSERVATION! [/quote] My bad. What is the one difference to which you refer then? [/quote] WISE IS BALD!!! Those guys are all considered great and Wise is some no-named high school coach...  They are college and Yates is a high school! But they all do is the SAME... They win and win big! [/quote] The he should follow in the footsteps of the other "great" local high school coaches in the Houston area and move his show to the college ranks. Being the outstanding coach that he is, I'm sure he would find the same success at the next level. [/quote] If the opportunity presents itself, he might! But everybody has to pay their dues and perform with what they do CURRENTLY.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="739951" timestamp="1262892039"] It's ridiculous to even think that Yates would beat Lamar. Show's lack of inteligence. [/quote] Last I checked Lamar guards are suspect!!! The idea does represent a lack of of intellegence.  Lamar would have the size advantage but could they get the ball across half court?  I wish someone would be honest with themselves about the level of talent at ole big red!

[quote name="Bucof2010" post="739967" timestamp="1262893537"] If your not good and you play a good teaam you better work hard or you will get blown out. [/quote] I like yern!!!! You guys are trying to get the goverments hands in everything, just like Obama!!!  I thought this was good ole' Conservative Republican country!

Jim always has the right thing to say!

[quote name="GCMPats" post="739894" timestamp="1262887230"] [quote author=shorttexas1 link=topic=64409.msg739870#msg739870 date=1262885990] [quote author=GCMPats link=topic=64409.msg739858#msg739858 date=1262885281] [quote author=shorttexas1 link=topic=64409.msg739847#msg739847 date=1262884371] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=64409.msg739826#msg739826 date=1262882987] [quote author=shorttexas1 link=topic=64409.msg739732#msg739732 date=1262870574] [quote author=Kountzer link=topic=64409.msg739687#msg739687 date=1262838538] There are lots of poor and working class immigrants living near Lee High School.   Basketball is not the sport of choice in that area.  it is probably soccer.  It is an old and run down school.  There are some affluent families in that area.  They send their children to expensive private schools.   Yates running up the score on Lee is classless.   That would be like one of the big suburban schools beating Yates by 10 runs in baseball.  It is too easy to do, and therefore not that big a deal. [/quote] What does class have to do with basketball?  Nobody cries when teams beat the Jags by 20 goals in soccer or when Lake Travis beats teams 50 to nothing!  I have seen the suburban baseball teams drag these same inner city schools by 20+ runs!  I guess since these are inner city black kids, this big wins is a definition of class?  All these kids play one way, and that is all they know.  A lot of what they do wont even transfer to the college game, but that is what they know.  Even if you back them down to the half court they would swarm and play aggressive!!! What's classy is how these kids represented themselves in Hawaii and Alabama.  What’s class is how these kids have positioned themselves to attend college academically and financially.  What's classy is how this is the ONLY ranked team with no kid listed in any scouting polls top 100 (first time it has occurred in history of ranking high school players!)  Do me a favor, go sit at one of these high school soccer game and baseball games and call those kids classless too!!! Other than that.. You need to check yourself! [/quote] Short, nobody is calling the kids "classless" or at least I am not. They just played how the coach instructed them to do. Wise on the other hand, that's a different story. He could have done something to keep it from getting like this but he CHOSE to allow it to continue. I have seen many 60-70 point blowouts, those games just happen. But you'll never convince me that Wise did not go out of his way to get a 135 point win. That score was forced, it didn't just happen that way becasue they were that much better than Lee. They proved that they were better before the game really started. But if you are up 100-12 at half, do you think the game has been decided already? ::) [/quote] ok... aLL i AM SAYING IS THAT IT DOESNT MATTER HOW HE RUNS THE SCORE UP.  THIS IS SPORTS, NOT FOR BABIES, IF YOU CANT  STOP ME WHY SHOULD I STOP MYSELF?  THIS IS A BIG BOYS GAME AND I SAY PLAY OR QUIT...  I HAVE SEEN MACK BROWN UP BY 30 RUN A FAKE FIELD GOAL ON RICE AND NOBODY CALLS HIM CLASSLESS!  MIKE LEACH BEATS D2 SCHOOLS BY 70 FAITHFULLY... IS HE CLASSLESS?  HE IS JUST RUNNING "GAME TIME" SCHEMES TO SEE IF THEY WORK, RIGHT! MACK BROWN BEAT TEXAS PAN-AMERICA 104-42 THIS YEAR, IS HE CLASSLESS?  COACH k WHIPPED PENN 116-55, IS HE CLASSLESS?  I AM JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE SOME DOUBLE STANDARDS! WISE PLAYED ALL OF HIS PLAYERS, JUST LIKE ALL OF THE ABOVE COACHES.  NONE OF THEM CHANGED THE GAME!!! THEY PLAYED AND PLAYED HARD DOWN TO THE 3RD STRING!  tHERE IS ONLY ONE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GREG WISE AND THE ABOVE COACHES! I DONT CARE WHETHER IT WAS ACADEMICS OR SPORTS, I WANTED TO BE THE BEST AND CREAM THE COMPETITION.. TAKE THEIR HEARTS AND SCARE ANYONE THAT STEPS IN FRONT OF ME IN THE FUTURE!  IF YOU CAN'T FIELD A COMPETITIVE TEAM, THAT IS YOUR OWN PROBLEM. [/quote] The main difference is that those guys coach in college. Wise is a high school educator first and then a coach. You are comparing apples and oranges. (The color of his skin means nothing to me. I assume, that you assume the color of MY skin?) No coach, at any level, should seek to embarrass their opponent. [/quote] i NEVER SAID SKIN COLOR... BUT GOOD OBSERVATION! [/quote] My bad. What is the one difference to which you refer then? [/quote] WISE IS BALD!!! Those guys are all considered great and Wise is some no-named high school coach...  They are college and Yates is a high school! But they all do is the SAME... They win and win big!

[quote name="GCMPats" post="739858" timestamp="1262885281"] [quote author=shorttexas1 link=topic=64409.msg739847#msg739847 date=1262884371] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=64409.msg739826#msg739826 date=1262882987] [quote author=shorttexas1 link=topic=64409.msg739732#msg739732 date=1262870574] [quote author=Kountzer link=topic=64409.msg739687#msg739687 date=1262838538] There are lots of poor and working class immigrants living near Lee High School.   Basketball is not the sport of choice in that area.  it is probably soccer.  It is an old and run down school.  There are some affluent families in that area.  They send their children to expensive private schools.   Yates running up the score on Lee is classless.   That would be like one of the big suburban schools beating Yates by 10 runs in baseball.  It is too easy to do, and therefore not that big a deal. [/quote] What does class have to do with basketball?  Nobody cries when teams beat the Jags by 20 goals in soccer or when Lake Travis beats teams 50 to nothing!  I have seen the suburban baseball teams drag these same inner city schools by 20+ runs!  I guess since these are inner city black kids, this big wins is a definition of class?  All these kids play one way, and that is all they know.  A lot of what they do wont even transfer to the college game, but that is what they know.  Even if you back them down to the half court they would swarm and play aggressive!!! What's classy is how these kids represented themselves in Hawaii and Alabama.  What’s class is how these kids have positioned themselves to attend college academically and financially.  What's classy is how this is the ONLY ranked team with no kid listed in any scouting polls top 100 (first time it has occurred in history of ranking high school players!)  Do me a favor, go sit at one of these high school soccer game and baseball games and call those kids classless too!!! Other than that.. You need to check yourself! [/quote] Short, nobody is calling the kids "classless" or at least I am not. They just played how the coach instructed them to do. Wise on the other hand, that's a different story. He could have done something to keep it from getting like this but he CHOSE to allow it to continue. I have seen many 60-70 point blowouts, those games just happen. But you'll never convince me that Wise did not go out of his way to get a 135 point win. That score was forced, it didn't just happen that way becasue they were that much better than Lee. They proved that they were better before the game really started. But if you are up 100-12 at half, do you think the game has been decided already? ::) [/quote] ok... aLL i AM SAYING IS THAT IT DOESNT MATTER HOW HE RUNS THE SCORE UP.  THIS IS SPORTS, NOT FOR BABIES, IF YOU CANT  STOP ME WHY SHOULD I STOP MYSELF?  THIS IS A BIG BOYS GAME AND I SAY PLAY OR QUIT...  I HAVE SEEN MACK BROWN UP BY 30 RUN A FAKE FIELD GOAL ON RICE AND NOBODY CALLS HIM CLASSLESS!  MIKE LEACH BEATS D2 SCHOOLS BY 70 FAITHFULLY... IS HE CLASSLESS?  HE IS JUST RUNNING "GAME TIME" SCHEMES TO SEE IF THEY WORK, RIGHT! MACK BROWN BEAT TEXAS PAN-AMERICA 104-42 THIS YEAR, IS HE CLASSLESS?  COACH k WHIPPED PENN 116-55, IS HE CLASSLESS?  I AM JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE SOME DOUBLE STANDARDS! WISE PLAYED ALL OF HIS PLAYERS, JUST LIKE ALL OF THE ABOVE COACHES.  NONE OF THEM CHANGED THE GAME!!! THEY PLAYED AND PLAYED HARD DOWN TO THE 3RD STRING!  tHERE IS ONLY ONE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GREG WISE AND THE ABOVE COACHES! I DONT CARE WHETHER IT WAS ACADEMICS OR SPORTS, I WANTED TO BE THE BEST AND CREAM THE COMPETITION.. TAKE THEIR HEARTS AND SCARE ANYONE THAT STEPS IN FRONT OF ME IN THE FUTURE!  IF YOU CAN'T FIELD A COMPETITIVE TEAM, THAT IS YOUR OWN PROBLEM. [/quote] The main difference is that those guys coach in college. Wise is a high school educator first and then a coach. You are comparing apples and oranges. (The color of his skin means nothing to me. I assume, that you assume the color of MY skin?) No coach, at any level, should seek to embarrass their opponent. [/quote] i NEVER SAID SKIN COLOR... BUT GOOD OBSERVATION!

[quote name="team first" post="739852" timestamp="1262884756"] Short, there is alot more than just one difference about the people u are trying to compare wise to. In all the games that u mentioned above, were they pressing the whole game?  The answer is no. And i believe u meant [glow=red,2,300]rick barnes, not mack brown [/glow] [/quote] tHANKS, i ALWAYS DO THAT!

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="739856" timestamp="1262884910"] I can't take credit for the post......... :D :D :D  I simply copied and pasted the email that was sent to me from a coach who as at HJ in 1992. [/quote] i KNEW IT WAS TOO GOOD TO BE YOU!  ;D

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="739754" timestamp="1262875633"] This is from a coach that was on the 1992 HJ team.............. I see both sides of the argument.  As a coach I couldn’t see myself doing that to someone.  However, I have yet to coach a team that I KNEW was 40 points better than everyone except a handful of teams they would play that year.  As for HJ in ‘92, there is very little difference in what we did versus what Yates is doing.  The biggest difference I see is how it is being handled publicly.  Of course, in ‘92 there were not near the media accessibility that there is now.  I know our coach did not comment in the papers that we were going to try and score 200 or beat people as bad as we could.  I can comment on the “that’s the only way we know how to play” philosophy.  I will say that there is more validity to that than people want to believe.  Playing that style is a mentality much more than it is x’s and o’s.  Our coach knew that belief in what we were doing was so much more important than anything else that he never wanted us to think otherwise.  To run this system effectively, players cannot be concerned with the scoreboard.  It has to be an “all out” mentality all the time.  As for HJ’s 166 point record, it was against Hardin in a district game at Hardin.  We scored 96 in the first half.  We quit pressing in the 4th quarter but, were running the half court version of our press.  That team had no one over 6’2” and we had an 8 man rotation.  However, most games all 11 players got in the game.  Our coach would never tell any of our players to quit scoring.  He didn’t feel that was fair to bench players who sell out in practice, to put them in when the game is over and tell them they can’t shoot.  That is one philosophy that I still believe today.  I will change defenses, pull off the press, etc. but, I will never tell a kid not to score.  I also understand where they are coming from on the “not losing your edge” comment and believe it has some validity to it.  No matter how hard you try, you can never fully simulate a game situation in practice.  There is nothing like the actual game.  Therefore, the argument that they get all the competition they need in practice doesn’t add up.  They aren’t facing defenses designed to slow them down in practice or offenses designed to play keep away.  That is before mentioning all the other intangibles that come into play during a real game.  When a state championship is your only goal (or whatever your goal may be) and the only goal that will satisfy the season then you have to do whatever you think is best for your team.  You don’t have to publicize it or talk about it but, within the confines of your program you are cheating your kids if you don’t do what you think is best in helping them obtain their goals.  I think the “uproar” regarding what they are doing stems from some other feelings about this team that have very little to do with their style of play or the score on the scoreboard.  Their style and scores are just adding fuel to the fire.   Also, has anyone ever thought what would be the reaction if they did just the opposite?  What if they were up 100-12 at halftime and came out in the second half and held the ball and refused to shoot and just played keep away for two quarters.  I can GUARANTEE that there would be an “outrage” about that as well.  Then they would be “making a mockery of the game” etc.  I have been “booed” out of a local gym before for holding the ball for 5 minutes of one quarter to try and get a team out of a zone......even had an angry parent email a letter to the administration saying that I was “classless” and “teaching our kids poor life lessons” by doing that.  Point being, when you are as good as they are, you are going to upset people no matter what you do. [/quote] BEST LAZEEK POST EVER!!!! SMARTEST LAZEEK POST EVER!  KARMA FOR YOU!

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="739826" timestamp="1262882987"] [quote author=shorttexas1 link=topic=64409.msg739732#msg739732 date=1262870574] [quote author=Kountzer link=topic=64409.msg739687#msg739687 date=1262838538] There are lots of poor and working class immigrants living near Lee High School.  Basketball is not the sport of choice in that area.  it is probably soccer.  It is an old and run down school.  There are some affluent families in that area.  They send their children to expensive private schools.  Yates running up the score on Lee is classless.  That would be like one of the big suburban schools beating Yates by 10 runs in baseball.  It is too easy to do, and therefore not that big a deal. [/quote] What does class have to do with basketball?  Nobody cries when teams beat the Jags by 20 goals in soccer or when Lake Travis beats teams 50 to nothing!  I have seen the suburban baseball teams drag these same inner city schools by 20+ runs!  I guess since these are inner city black kids, this big wins is a definition of class?  All these kids play one way, and that is all they know.  A lot of what they do wont even transfer to the college game, but that is what they know.  Even if you back them down to the half court they would swarm and play aggressive!!! What's classy is how these kids represented themselves in Hawaii and Alabama.  What’s class is how these kids have positioned themselves to attend college academically and financially.  What's classy is how this is the ONLY ranked team with no kid listed in any scouting polls top 100 (first time it has occurred in history of ranking high school players!)  Do me a favor, go sit at one of these high school soccer game and baseball games and call those kids classless too!!! Other than that.. You need to check yourself! [/quote] Short, nobody is calling the kids "classless" or at least I am not. They just played how the coach instructed them to do. Wise on the other hand, that's a different story. He could have done something to keep it from getting like this but he CHOSE to allow it to continue. I have seen many 60-70 point blowouts, those games just happen. But you'll never convince me that Wise did not go out of his way to get a 135 point win. That score was forced, it didn't just happen that way becasue they were that much better than Lee. They proved that they were better before the game really started. But if you are up 100-12 at half, do you think the game has been decided already? ::) [/quote] ok... aLL i AM SAYING IS THAT IT DOESNT MATTER HOW HE RUNS THE SCORE UP.  THIS IS SPORTS, NOT FOR BABIES, IF YOU CANT  STOP ME WHY SHOULD I STOP MYSELF?  THIS IS A BIG BOYS GAME AND I SAY PLAY OR QUIT...  I HAVE SEEN MACK BROWN UP BY 30 RUN A FAKE FIELD GOAL ON RICE AND NOBODY CALLS HIM CLASSLESS!  MIKE LEACH BEATS D2 SCHOOLS BY 70 FAITHFULLY... IS HE CLASSLESS?  HE IS JUST RUNNING "GAME TIME" SCHEMES TO SEE IF THEY WORK, RIGHT! MACK BROWN BEAT TEXAS PAN-AMERICA 104-42 THIS YEAR, IS HE CLASSLESS?  COACH k WHIPPED PENN 116-55, IS HE CLASSLESS?  I AM JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE SOME DOUBLE STANDARDS! WISE PLAYED ALL OF HIS PLAYERS, JUST LIKE ALL OF THE ABOVE COACHES.  NONE OF THEM CHANGED THE GAME!!! THEY PLAYED AND PLAYED HARD DOWN TO THE 3RD STRING!  tHERE IS ONLY ONE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GREG WISE AND THE ABOVE COACHES! I DONT CARE WHETHER IT WAS ACADEMICS OR SPORTS, I WANTED TO BE THE BEST AND CREAM THE COMPETITION.. TAKE THEIR HEARTS AND SCARE ANYONE THAT STEPS IN FRONT OF ME IN THE FUTURE!  IF YOU CAN'T FIELD A COMPETITIVE TEAM, THAT IS YOUR OWN PROBLEM.

[quote name="BoboandBlair" post="739791" timestamp="1262879334"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=64409.msg739769#msg739769 date=1262877691] [quote author=GCMPats link=topic=64409.msg739756#msg739756 date=1262875891] Oh, and all of this talk about these kids trying to get scholarships and yada, yada, yada. COME ON MAN! Tell me ONE college scout who would take anything positive from a players performance in a game like this. JUST ONE! Are you seriouly going to say that a scout would be impressed that a potential recruit hit 40 in a game like this? NO WAY! Coaches and scouts want to see how you perform against the BEST! So quit acting like this game was going to somehow impact any players ability to get a scholarship. From what I've read, the Yates players earned all the respect they needed in the high level tournaments they won. Just step on the brakes when necessary and win with CLASS! [/quote]So I guess we should tell our kids to not try so hard in district academic competitions because one school isn't as good as the other. Why take AP classes? Fit in with regular students, etc, etc...............Are you classless because a student prepared and scored very high on the SAT and others weren't as prepared? [/quote] Quite possibly one of the most clueless posts I have ever seen.  Its not about what the kids did, they can only do what the coach tells them to do.  This falls on the coach and his lack of class, respect, and sportsmanship.  I've seen numerous articles on rivals, and out of the Houston Chronicle, and this man is all about himself, like most NBA players.  You can coach a game, and have your kids play full speed without pressing, trapping and running the court every minute. [/quote] tHE SAME MAN THAT IS ALL ABOUT HIMSELF, QUIT COACHING FOR 5 YRS UNTIL HIS KIDS GRADUATED.  HE LEFT A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM THAT WAS RANKED EVERY YEAR IN STATE, COULD HAVE BEEN MORE ABOUT HIMSELF AND CONTINUED TO IMPROVE HIS REPUTATION?  i LIKE HIS NICK SABAN ATTITUDE, BOUT HIS BUSINESS ON THE COURT REGARDLESS OF HOW OTHERS FEEL ABOUT IT!

STOP? for what?  Its more sportsman like to play your best game, every game!!!! High school only last for a minute and most of these kids will fade into obscurity after their high school career.  Not many schools have the opportunity to be nationally ranked, to complete at a high level, or to break records.  I know the other team feels bad, but that is what it is!  You don't play to stop yourself, that is your opponents job!

[quote name="Kountzer" post="739687" timestamp="1262838538"] There are lots of poor and working class immigrants living near Lee High School.   Basketball is not the sport of choice in that area.  it is probably soccer.  It is an old and run down school.  There are some affluent families in that area.  They send their children to expensive private schools.   Yates running up the score on Lee is classless.   That would be like one of the big suburban schools beating Yates by 10 runs in baseball.  It is too easy to do, and therefore not that big a deal. [/quote] What does class have to do with basketball?  Nobody cries when teams beat the Jags by 20 goals in soccer or when Lake Travis beats teams 50 to nothing!  I have seen the suburban baseball teams drag these same inner city schools by 20+ runs!  I guess since these are inner city black kids, this big wins is a definition of class?  All these kids play one way, and that is all they know.  A lot of what they do wont even transfer to the college game, but that is what they know.  Even if you back them down to the half court they would swarm and play aggressive!!! What's classy is how these kids represented themselves in Hawaii and Alabama.  What’s class is how these kids have positioned themselves to attend college academically and financially.  What's classy is how this is the ONLY ranked team with no kid listed in any scouting polls top 100 (first time it has occurred in history of ranking high school players!)  Do me a favor, go sit at one of these high school soccer game and baseball games and call those kids classless too!!! Other than that.. You need to check yourself!

Silsbee could beat Lamar too!!! That is no big deal!

There are plenty of STRONG teams out there, no way can anyone guarentee a national championship in Early January.  Don't forget that Kansas, Kentucky, Syracuse, Purdue, Duke, Kstate, and Villanova are still out ther, plus there may be a suprise  team or two!

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="737052" timestamp="1262305283"] [quote author=shorttexas1 link=topic=64094.msg736966#msg736966 date=1262288661] The '98 Silsbee team was deep with two D1 signees....  Thadeous Young was better than Joe Young for sure... ASK DUKE!  And Louis Arline was a beast at the rim.  They were good enough to give Yates fits.  You need really strong and really good guards to beat Yates.  And you don't have to run with them.  They try to speed you up so you can make more mistakes than they do.  They had 25 TO in that game last night!!!!  You have to control the tempo of the game and not let them.  When you break the press, set-up a half court offense.  Then Perk/Marshall would dominate, just like Stevy/Harris, Arline/Young, BJ Tyler/Rodden Green/Kevin McKyer, and Skip/Dubie/Ronnie. It is easy to forget how good these teams were.  But truly look back and tell yourself that these teams sprinkled with pros and D1's before GOOGLE would not have beat Yates!!!????? [glow=red,2,300]PLEASE!!!![/glow] [/quote] Hey short, the Silsbee player's name is Thadeous Holden, not Young. Silsbee was 13 deep that season. Unheard of!!! But I still say they lose to this Yates team. [/quote] Tahnx!! And I knew that... Got caught up in the moment!! We finished in the same year! And both went to LU

[quote name="TopDawG52" post="737006" timestamp="1262295007"] Team looks like the 3a Kountze championship team just there big man is 6-9 and Kountze big man was 6-5.  The kid Joseph Young reminds me of Keithan Hancock pulled the 3 pt frm anywhere on the court. Yates Press and run and shoot thats wat that Kountze team did. [/quote] But Yates does it against better talent than Kountze!  Itrs hard to press D1 kids like that.. And Yates does it consistantly!

[quote name="scooter!" post="736974" timestamp="1262290600"] I think Dallas Lincoln with Bosh and company would beat them, and the Wheatley team that beat Lincoln back in the day, and Lincoln's '92 or '95 team could as well. i'd even put Houston Madison's team back in the early 90s (i think it was '93) in there as well. [/quote] Put it like this... A lesser Quality Ozen team came within 2 points of beating that same Yates press 2 years ago.  Yate had a better big then too.  Anthony Jones(6'10" with guard skillz) now at Baylor, Peters and Young Started then.  And they had a much better PG then that was about 6'.  They were deep because Elton Roy, and Darious Gardner came off the bench only Peters started.  They went 12 deep that year and beat Oakhill (with Brandon Jennings) and St. Patrick (with Dexter Strictland) .  A young Wheatly team (beat them at their own game) in the regional finals to advance to State.  And Sophmore DeCarlos and Junior Breon were no where near as good as Albert Marshal and Mike Thomas. 

The '98 Silsbee team was deep with two D1 signees....  Thadeous Young was better than Joe Young for sure... ASK DUKE!  And Louis Arline was a beast at the rim.  They were good enough to give Yates fits.  You need really strong and really good guards to beat Yates.  And you don't have to run with them.  They try to speed you up so you can make more mistakes than they do.  They had 25 TO in that game last night!!!!  You have to control the tempo of the game and not let them.  When you break the press, set-up a half court offense.  Then Perk/Marshall would dominate, just like Stevy/Harris, Arline/Young, BJ Tyler/Rodden Green/Kevin McKyer, and Skip/Dubie/Ronnie. It is easy to forget how good these teams were.  But truly look back and tell yourself that these teams sprinkled with pros and D1's before GOOGLE would not have beat Yates!!!????? [glow=red,2,300]PLEASE!!!![/glow]

[quote name="team first" post="736944" timestamp="1262286854"] Sorry guys, have to disagree on this one..You can only slow down teams if you have better athletes..this yates team has a unique combination of great athletes and high skill level basketball players..the Ozen team you talk about would not slow em down, itwould have gotten ugly. Big Perk did not move very well his last 2 years in h.s. the guards were good, but not like these kids. The bigs were just bigger than other teams and guards were good enough to get it to them. It is Houston 4 million plus, and kids are moving in nowa days just to play with a buddy or 2 from an AAU team. Just not a community game with boundaries over there anymore.. Hate it for the teams in our area, because once that good team comes through here, they have to see those guys..Good News is GRADUATION is right around the corner!!! [/quote] Sorry Team first.. 2001 was Perk's sophmore year!!! And they were deep enough and good enough to win... And I was putting my money on Albert Marshall and Mike Thomas.  And there you go, I am glad you asmitted how agile perk was as a sophmore.  Tigee Reiaux, Brandon Chappell, Allen colbert, Jason Dabney, Keena Young and Perkins finished out that loaded roster and were flat out better than this Yates team.  Not to mention more athletic.  ANd the coaching style of Boutte would have been too much for Nic Wise.  You forget Wheatly has played that type of ball with great talent for years, and Boutte has beat them.  Now high school just gets more publicity than those days!  And this Ozen team was number one in the nation too!!! And you willing to tell me that any of these Yates kids are better than Stevy Jackson, BJ Tyler, Damon Sweet, or Luke Jackson?  No and they played on some great highschool teams that were deep.  Stevy's team had three D1's at a time when the internet wasn't available to follow Lincoln BBALL.  Sorry team firt but you are so very wrong. 

foolishness!

That's because you know basketball Coop!!! I have quite a few in mind too, but I wanted to put my best few forward!!!!

That '99 Central Team could play with this team for at least 3 quarters, but the 4th quarter would have spelled doom.  The guards were Edward Garriet, Skip Jackson, Rodrick last name?, Dominique Young, and they all handled the ball well.