Would this be technically legal but not otherwise not?

[stevenash]

Lets assume that high school basketball coach A, is an AAU coach during the time that high school basketball is not played.  Lets further assume that he is a really nice guy and the kids on the AAU team (that was assembled, not assigned or drafted) really like playing for him.  "Suddenly" the kids decide that they would like to play for him during the regular high school season and transfer to the school where he coaches.  Needless to say, anyone playing AAU basketball is very likely an above average player and those transfer ins provide that coach with more above average players than high school programs where the AAU coaching activity does not occur.  Would anyone consider this an unfair advantage or a method of skirting the intent/spirit of the rules?

In another instance, lets suppose that a school district gets a majority of its students ( all students, not basketball players) transferred in while still in elementary school ( at this point, nobody knows if any will be high school stars). rather than when they are of varisty age and have developed their respective games. This school develops its own players and hoped for success in basketball.  Is this any different when compared to the first scenario?  It seems as the Dove doesnt think so.

[AggiesAreWe]

Da Dove has blinders and big glass of kool-aid when it comes to AAU. ;)

[Dick Vitale]

I would say its similar to the "little dribblers" [s]recruiting[/s] errr, I mean basketball program.... ::) ::)

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1386399" timestamp="1363636049"]
I would say its similar to the "little dribblers" [s]recruiting[/s] errr, I mean basketball program.... ::) ::)
[/quote]

Dickie- You are wrong- you know you are wrong-(but you are determined to defend them)= but thats ok-  Lets assume I am one of those evil little dribblers coaches (and I was for many years)  I NEVER brought a player to the league from out of my community and, if he didnt live in the community he was NOT ALLOWED to participate.  PLease tell me how that compares to the Triple A, Yates, Madison situations.  Also, are you better able to evaluate the talent of a varsity player at age 15 or at age 7?( realism and not insulting anyones intelligence will be appreciated in your response)

[Dick Vitale]

OK, so how is it fair to assume that Coach "A" in your example is trying to gain some competitive advantage by coaching AAU in the summer? Yet it is OK for some communities to POSSIBLY persuade kids from other communities to become a part of the local program from the elementary years? Is that not gaining an "unfair" advantage over the communities that do not have that luxury?

[pallacanestro]

"Those without morals see no wrong."

That is what I have learned from my short time on this board.

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1386410" timestamp="1363636924"]
OK, so how is it fair to assume that Coach "A" in your example is trying to gain some competitive advantage by coaching AAU in the summer? Yet it is OK for some communities to POSSIBLY persuade kids from other communities to become a part of the local program from the elementary years? Is that not gaining an "unfair" advantage over the communities that do not have that luxury?
[/quote]

Little Dribblers programs are intended to legitimately teach children the game and to keep them out of trouble.  I want to ask you this.  If the people in my neighborhood get together and decide to establish a program, why cant they do that in your community?  And finally, I once again ask you whether or not the true advantage gained comes when somebody "secures" an existing D-1 prospect or that good looking 7 year old?

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

[quote name="pallacanestro" post="1386413" timestamp="1363637050"]
"Those without morals see no wrong."

That is what I have learned from my short time on this board.
[/quote] LMAO!!  +1

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1386355" timestamp="1363627800"]
Lets assume that high school basketball coach A, is an AAU coach during the time that high school basketball is not played.  Lets further assume that he is a really nice guy and the kids on the AAU team (that was assembled, not assigned or drafted) really like playing for him.  "Suddenly" the kids decide that they would like to play for him during the regular high school season and transfer to the school where he coaches.  Needless to say, anyone playing AAU basketball is very likely an above average player and those transfer ins provide that coach with more above average players than high school programs where the AAU coaching activity does not occur.  Would anyone consider this an unfair advantage or a method of skirting the intent/spirit of the rules?

In another instance, lets suppose that a school district gets a majority of its students ( all students, not basketball players) transferred in while still in elementary school ( at this point, nobody knows if any will be high school stars). rather than when they are of varisty age and have developed their respective games. This school develops its own players and hoped for success in basketball.  Is this any different when compared to the first scenario?  It seems as the Dove doesnt think so.
[/quote] In your 1st "instance" you're referring to Mumford and AAA, right?

In your 2nd "instance" you are once again to referring to the same schools, right? Seems both schools apply to the same rules. ::)

[Dick Vitale]

Stevenash probably thinks "Jim Crow" means seperate but equal... ::) ::)

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="pallacanestro" post="1386413" timestamp="1363637050"]
"Those without morals see no wrong."

That is what I have learned from my short time on this board.
[/quote]And then there are those "who think they have more  morals"  than others. Thats what I have learned since being a member on this board!!  ;)

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1386446" timestamp="1363641924"]
Stevenash probably thinks "Jim Crow" means seperate but equal... ::) ::)
[/quote] ;D

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1386446" timestamp="1363641924"]
Stevenash probably thinks "Jim Crow" means seperate but equal... ::) ::)
[/quote]\



Good work Dickie.  Now see if you think you can make that racist remark somehow attributable to me.

[stevenash]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1386442" timestamp="1363641737"]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110312.msg1386355#msg1386355 date=1363627800]
Lets assume that high school basketball coach A, is an AAU coach during the time that high school basketball is not played.  Lets further assume that he is a really nice guy and the kids on the AAU team (that was assembled, not assigned or drafted) really like playing for him.  "Suddenly" the kids decide that they would like to play for him during the regular high school season and transfer to the school where he coaches.  Needless to say, anyone playing AAU basketball is very likely an above average player and those transfer ins provide that coach with more above average players than high school programs where the AAU coaching activity does not occur.  Would anyone consider this an unfair advantage or a method of skirting the intent/spirit of the rules?

So sad that you fully understand the difference but make attempts to paint them as equal.  Answer this question that I have asked several times.  Who has the advantage, the school that brings in a 15 year old D-1 prospect ( not one, but several) or the school that accepts a 7 year old who is a "sure thing" when he gets in high school?

In another instance, lets suppose that a school district gets a majority of its students ( all students, not basketball players) transferred in while still in elementary school ( at this point, nobody knows if any will be high school stars). rather than when they are of varisty age and have developed their respective games. This school develops its own players and hoped for success in basketball.  Is this any different when compared to the first scenario?  It seems as the Dove doesnt think so.
[/quote] In your 1st "instance" you're referring to Mumford and AAA, right?

In your 2nd "instance" you are once again to referring to the same schools, right? Seems both schools apply to the same rules. ::)
[/quote]

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1386449" timestamp="1363642466"]
[quote author=pallacanestro link=topic=110312.msg1386413#msg1386413 date=1363637050]
"Those without morals see no wrong."

That is what I have learned from my short time on this board.
[/quote]And then there are those "who think they have more  morals"  than others. Thats what I have learned since being a member on this board!!  ;)
[/quote]
;D ;D ;D My thoughs EXACTLY! +1 for you!! ;)

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1386472" timestamp="1363644026"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110312.msg1386449#msg1386449 date=1363642466]
[quote author=pallacanestro link=topic=110312.msg1386413#msg1386413 date=1363637050]
"Those without morals see no wrong."

That is what I have learned from my short time on this board.
[/quote]And then there are those "who think they have more  morals"  than others. Thats what I have learned since being a member on this board!!  ;)
[/quote]
;D ;D ;D My thoughs EXACTLY! +1 for you!! ;)
[/quote]


Does saying " Those without morals see no wrong" automatically make the author one who thinks he has more morals?  One more thing- is it moral to support something that tries to appear moral when it really isnt?

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1386480" timestamp="1363647514"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=110312.msg1386472#msg1386472 date=1363644026]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110312.msg1386449#msg1386449 date=1363642466]
[quote author=pallacanestro link=topic=110312.msg1386413#msg1386413 date=1363637050]
"Those without morals see no wrong."

That is what I have learned from my short time on this board.
[/quote]And then there are those "who think they have more  morals"  than others. Thats what I have learned since being a member on this board!!  ;)
[/quote]
;D ;D ;D My thoughs EXACTLY! +1 for you!! ;)
[/quote]


Does saying " Those without morals see no wrong" automatically make the author one who thinks he has more morals?  One more thing- is it moral to support something that tries to appear moral when it really isnt?
[/quote]Always wanna have the last word, don't you big brother?

[stevenash]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1387093" timestamp="1363793078"]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110312.msg1386480#msg1386480 date=1363647514]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=110312.msg1386472#msg1386472 date=1363644026]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110312.msg1386449#msg1386449 date=1363642466]
[quote author=pallacanestro link=topic=110312.msg1386413#msg1386413 date=1363637050]
"Those without morals see no wrong."

That is what I have learned from my short time on this board.
[/quote]And then there are those "who think they have more  morals"  than others. Thats what I have learned since being a member on this board!!  ;)
[/quote]
;D ;D ;D My thoughs EXACTLY! +1 for you!! ;)
[/quote]


Does saying " Those without morals see no wrong" automatically make the author one who thinks he has more morals?  One more thing- is it moral to support something that tries to appear moral when it really isnt?
[/quote]Always wanna have the last word, don't you big brother?
[/quote]

Just another of my multiple character flaws.

[tobie]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1386446" timestamp="1363641924"]
Stevenash probably thinks "Jim Crow" means seperate but equal... ::) ::)
[/quote] ;D ;D ;D