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[quote name="rounder17" post="1389949" timestamp="1364534941"]
[quote author=PhatMack19 link=topic=110650.msg1389860#msg1389860 date=1364523255]
Final
Ozen 0
Png.  5
Combined no hitter, Leckich and Hearald.
HR's by Saatzer and Mullens


Ozen got no hit for the week
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Man, why would you pull him one inning from a no hitter?
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You coach young kids.  Answer your own question for me please..... ;D
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[quote name="PhatMack19" post="1389951" timestamp="1364535669"]
[quote author=rounder17 link=topic=110650.msg1389949#msg1389949 date=1364534941]
[quote author=PhatMack19 link=topic=110650.msg1389860#msg1389860 date=1364523255]
Final
Ozen 0
Png.  5
Combined no hitter, Leckich and Hearald.
HR's by Saatzer and Mullens


Ozen got no hit for the week
[/quote]

Man, why would you pull him one inning from a no hitter?
[/quote]

You coach young kids.  Answer your own question for me please..... ;D
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Pitch count, especially as a freshman.  Arm still has some maturing to do.
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[quote name="BigCountry66" post="1389954" timestamp="1364536974"]
[quote author=PhatMack19 link=topic=110650.msg1389951#msg1389951 date=1364535669]
[quote author=rounder17 link=topic=110650.msg1389949#msg1389949 date=1364534941]
[quote author=PhatMack19 link=topic=110650.msg1389860#msg1389860 date=1364523255]
Final
Ozen 0
Png.  5
Combined no hitter, Leckich and Hearald.
HR's by Saatzer and Mullens


Ozen got no hit for the week
[/quote]

Man, why would you pull him one inning from a no hitter?
[/quote]

You coach young kids.  Answer your own question for me please..... ;D
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Pitch count, especially as a freshman.  Arm still has some maturing to do.
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If you have kids playing sports, you should read Any Given Monday by Dr. James Andrews.  You will definitely know the answer to that question after hearing him talk about pitch counts, rest and recovery, etc.  You hear coaches of select teams quoting the pitching limits of Nation's or USSSA, while ignoring the limits used by Little League/Senior League (which Andrews wrote).  I think I'll go with the guidance of the man who has studied this stuff for 40 years and who has done surgeries on guys like Pujols, Clemens, Aikman, Nicklaus, Bo Jackson, Adrian Peterson, Brees, etc, etc.  Any rules that don't take # of pitches into account (Nation's/USSSA) are a joke. 
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[quote author=BigCountry66 link=topic=110650.msg1389954#msg1389954 date=1364536974]
[quote author=PhatMack19 link=topic=110650.msg1389951#msg1389951 date=1364535669]
[quote author=rounder17 link=topic=110650.msg1389949#msg1389949 date=1364534941]
[quote author=PhatMack19 link=topic=110650.msg1389860#msg1389860 date=1364523255]
Final
Ozen 0
Png.  5
Combined no hitter, Leckich and Hearald.
HR's by Saatzer and Mullens


Ozen got no hit for the week
[/quote]

Man, why would you pull him one inning from a no hitter?
[/quote]

You coach young kids.  Answer your own question for me please..... ;D
[/quote]

Pitch count, especially as a freshman.  Arm still has some maturing to do.
[/quote]

If you have kids playing sports, you should read Any Given Monday by Dr. James Andrews.  You will definitely know the answer to that question after hearing him talk about pitch counts, rest and recovery, etc.  You hear coaches of select teams quoting the pitching limits of Nation's or USSSA, while ignoring the limits used by Little League/Senior League (which Andrews wrote).  I think I'll go with the guidance of the man who has studied this stuff for 40 years and who has done surgeries on guys like Pujols, Clemens, Aikman, Nicklaus, Bo Jackson, Adrian Peterson, Brees, etc, etc.  [glow=red,2,300] Any rules that don't take # of pitches into account (Nation's/USSSA) are a joke.[/glow]
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I know the obvious answer would be pitch count....but with 0 runs scored, one would assume his count wasn't too high, especially since he doesn't walk many batters. I wasn't questioning the coaches decision, just curious cause I know it's a tough call for a coach to make.

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Just because he had no runs scored against him and he doesn't walk a lot doesn't mean his pitch count can not be high. Taken batters to full counts and depending on how many the batter fouls off helps to elevate a pitch count. If they want to have him around the rest of the season  no matter if he has a no hitter going you still stick by the pitch count you set for the kid. It's not about the kid, it's about the team .
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[quote name="Coach85" post="1389977" timestamp="1364564087"]
Just because he had no runs scored against him and he doesn't walk a lot doesn't mean his pitch count can not be high. Taken batters to full counts and depending on how many the batter fouls off helps to elevate a pitch count. If they want to have him around the rest of the season  no matter if he has a no hitter going you still stick by the pitch count you set for the kid. It's not about the kid, it's about the team .
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I understand all this, and again I'm not questioning the coach. I'm just saying, 0 runs, 0 hits, and he usually doesn't walk a lot of people, there would have to be a lot of foul balls and errors. What would you consider a high pitch count?
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[quote author=Coach85 link=topic=110650.msg1389977#msg1389977 date=1364564087]
Just because he had no runs scored against him and he doesn't walk a lot doesn't mean his pitch count can not be high. Taken batters to full counts and depending on how many the batter fouls off helps to elevate a pitch count. If they want to have him around the rest of the season  no matter if he has a no hitter going you still stick by the pitch count you set for the kid. It's not about the kid, it's about the team .
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I understand all this, and again I'm not questioning the coach. I'm just saying, 0 runs, 0 hits, and he usually doesn't walk a lot of people, there would have to be a lot of foul balls and errors. [b]What would you consider a high pitch count?[/b][/quote]

It's all relative.  In the grand scheme of things what does a no hitter against Ozen your freshman year really matter?  I would rather have him healthy and fresh in the playoffs and the next 3 years of his career than throw a no hitter in a meaningless game.   
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[quote name="PhatMack19" post="1390019" timestamp="1364571595"]
[quote author=rounder17 link=topic=110650.msg1389998#msg1389998 date=1364567973]
[quote author=Coach85 link=topic=110650.msg1389977#msg1389977 date=1364564087]
Just because he had no runs scored against him and he doesn't walk a lot doesn't mean his pitch count can not be high. Taken batters to full counts and depending on how many the batter fouls off helps to elevate a pitch count. If they want to have him around the rest of the season  no matter if he has a no hitter going you still stick by the pitch count you set for the kid. It's not about the kid, it's about the team .
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I understand all this, and again I'm not questioning the coach. I'm just saying, 0 runs, 0 hits, and he usually doesn't walk a lot of people, there would have to be a lot of foul balls and errors. [b]What would you consider a high pitch count?[/b][/quote]

It's all relative.  In the grand scheme of things what does a no hitter against Ozen your freshman year really matter?  I would rather have him healthy and fresh in the playoffs and the next 3 years of his career than throw a no hitter in a meaningless game. 
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You really think he would be less healthy and fresh if he threw 15 more pitches?
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