COULD Setx have a state champion this year?

[bh89-2]

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1390844" timestamp="1364938968"]
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No SETX team will win state.
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Agree.  [b]None are even close[/b].
[/quote] wanna bet dinner at Hamburger Depot on that when you visit? There's a lil team that made the State Semis with only 8 seniors last year.  ;)
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OK, if someone from setx makes it to Dallas, I'll get you a burger.  ;)

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

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[quote author=TradinUp BH link=topic=110696.msg1390781#msg1390781 date=1364925615]
No SETX team will win state.
[/quote]

Agree.  [b]None are even close[/b].
[/quote] wanna bet dinner at Hamburger Depot on that when you visit? There's a lil team that made the State Semis with only 8 seniors last year.  ;)
[/quote]

OK, if someone from setx makes it to Dallas, I'll get you a burger.  ;)
[/quote] thats a bet.



everyone remember this post from the Frozen one himself!!!!  ;D

[BHFAN]

[quote name="NDOMAKONG" post="1390981" timestamp="1364960349"]
Weren't the Ned losses to Crosby during the QB snakebitten years??? I know one year they were down to their 4th string qb, and think the other year they had to start a soph due to injury.  I don't think those are good barometers.  But I will say that any school worth their salt that has 500 more kids than another to choose from, is going to have a significant upper hand.  Doesn't mean they win everytime, but they have an advantage.  Lets say there are 250 boys, 50 of which want to play football.  25 of which are junior/seniors who can contribute.  Of those 25 extra players, finding even 3-4 who are starting caliber is a huge advantage from a depth perspective, and you may even have those diamonds in the rough that the extra players allow you to develop and find. 500-600 extra in enrollment is a fairly sizable advantage if your program is worth a dang.
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BH is 2-0 over Ned in  2010 & 2011 and we have 1200  ;D

[TradinUp BH]

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You gotta throw sc and Crosby in there. Sc with there qb and two receivers back and that transfer running back. And Crosby with the twins and that tight end coming back. If they find a defense they would be serious contenders in D2.
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Why do you think D2 is so much easier?  To me it's all the same.
[/quote]
In my opinion there are a lot more tougher teams in D1 than in D2. At least it was that way last year. I'm not saying that all teams in D2 are push overs. I'm just saying D1 has a lot more powerhouse teams. IMO that is.
[/quote]I agree, the reason D2 is easier is because of the enrollment. Georgetown won 3 or 4 games in 5a before realignment. The powerhouse teams like Dawson, Georgetown, Summer Creek, and 4a state champ Denton Guyer all have enrollments around 2000 or above. All things being equal an extra 5-600 kids makes a big difference. Division 2 teams are usually within a couple hundred kids of each other which makes for less disparity between the teams.
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Then how do you explain some small schools consistently beating bigger schools or even schools from a lager classification?  BTW, I wouldn't consider Georgetown and SC powerhouses yet.  Nothing against them, but SC has one playoff win and Georgetown had one good year.  Dawson is proven, but that's about it.  Even they lose to a few smaller schools.
[/quote]
Which smaller schools are you talking about??
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Brenham, LaMarque, Navasota, Stephenville & Dayton.  Those schools have under 1,500 students and have consistently beat schools with a 2000+ enrollment.
[/quote]

Busting your bubble on this one ;D

Brenham- enrollment 1424
2008-current playoff games

[u]Wins[/u]
Manor (twice)- 1658
Crosby- 1440
El Campo- 975 (currently 3a)
Kerrville Tivy- 1381
Dayton- 1443
PNG- 1431
KP- 1665

[u]Losses[/u]
Dayton
Aledo- 1544
KP
Ozen- 1264
Elgin- 1199

Where did ya'll beat a school with over 2000 students in the playoffs, which I think is what people are talking about, not non district games? ;D  Also, please name the schools that the schools you listed have beat with 2000+ students. I would venture to say no more then a couple for Brenham, LM, Navasota maybe none, Dayton maybe a few, and Stephenville maybe one or two. That's all years, non district, district, and playoffs.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

[quote name="TradinUp BH" post="1391028" timestamp="1364996539"]
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You gotta throw sc and Crosby in there. Sc with there qb and two receivers back and that transfer running back. And Crosby with the twins and that tight end coming back. If they find a defense they would be serious contenders in D2.
[/quote]

Why do you think D2 is so much easier?  To me it's all the same.
[/quote]
In my opinion there are a lot more tougher teams in D1 than in D2. At least it was that way last year. I'm not saying that all teams in D2 are push overs. I'm just saying D1 has a lot more powerhouse teams. IMO that is.
[/quote]I agree, the reason D2 is easier is because of the enrollment. Georgetown won 3 or 4 games in 5a before realignment. The powerhouse teams like Dawson, Georgetown, Summer Creek, and 4a state champ Denton Guyer all have enrollments around 2000 or above. All things being equal an extra 5-600 kids makes a big difference. Division 2 teams are usually within a couple hundred kids of each other which makes for less disparity between the teams.
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Then how do you explain some small schools consistently beating bigger schools or even schools from a lager classification?  BTW, I wouldn't consider Georgetown and SC powerhouses yet.  Nothing against them, but SC has one playoff win and Georgetown had one good year.  Dawson is proven, but that's about it.  Even they lose to a few smaller schools.
[/quote]
Which smaller schools are you talking about??
[/quote]

Brenham, LaMarque, Navasota, Stephenville & Dayton.  Those schools have under 1,500 students and have consistently beat schools with a 2000+ enrollment.
[/quote]

Busting your bubble on this one ;D

Brenham- enrollment 1424
2008-current playoff games

[u]Wins[/u]
Manor (twice)- 1658
Crosby- 1440
El Campo- 975 (currently 3a)
Kerrville Tivy- 1381
Dayton- 1443
PNG- 1431
KP- 1665

[u]Losses[/u]
Dayton
Aledo- 1544
KP
Ozen- 1264
Elgin- 1199

Where did ya'll beat a school with over 2000 students in the playoffs, which I think is what people are talking about, not non district games? ;D  Also, please name the schools that the schools you listed have beat with 2000+ students. I would venture to say no more then a couple for Brenham, LM, Navasota maybe none, Dayton maybe a few, and Stephenville maybe one or two. That's all years, non district, district, and playoffs.
[/quote] :o ;D

[TradinUp BH]

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You gotta throw sc and Crosby in there. Sc with there qb and two receivers back and that transfer running back. And Crosby with the twins and that tight end coming back. If they find a defense they would be serious contenders in D2.
[/quote]

Why do you think D2 is so much easier?  To me it's all the same.
[/quote]
In my opinion there are a lot more tougher teams in D1 than in D2. At least it was that way last year. I'm not saying that all teams in D2 are push overs. I'm just saying D1 has a lot more powerhouse teams. IMO that is.
[/quote]I agree, the reason D2 is easier is because of the enrollment. Georgetown won 3 or 4 games in 5a before realignment. The powerhouse teams like Dawson, Georgetown, Summer Creek, and 4a state champ Denton Guyer all have enrollments around 2000 or above. All things being equal an extra 5-600 kids makes a big difference. Division 2 teams are usually within a couple hundred kids of each other which makes for less disparity between the teams.
[/quote]

Then how do you explain some small schools consistently beating bigger schools or even schools from a lager classification?  BTW, I wouldn't consider Georgetown and SC powerhouses yet.  Nothing against them, but SC has one playoff win and Georgetown had one good year.  Dawson is proven, but that's about it.  Even they lose to a few smaller schools.
[/quote]
Which smaller schools are you talking about??
[/quote]

Brenham, LaMarque, Navasota, Stephenville & Dayton.  Those schools have under 1,500 students and have consistently beat schools with a 2000+ enrollment.
[/quote]

Busting your bubble on this one ;D

Brenham- enrollment 1424
2008-current playoff games

[u]Wins[/u]
Manor (twice)- 1658
Crosby- 1440
El Campo- 975 (currently 3a)
Kerrville Tivy- 1381
Dayton- 1443
PNG- 1431
KP- 1665

[u]Losses[/u]
Dayton
Aledo- 1544
KP
Ozen- 1264
Elgin- 1199

Where did ya'll beat a school with over 2000 students in the playoffs, which I think is what people are talking about, not non district games? ;D  Also, please name the schools that the schools you listed have beat with 2000+ students. I would venture to say no more then a couple for Brenham, LM, Navasota maybe none, Dayton maybe a few, and Stephenville maybe one or two. That's all years, non district, district, and playoffs.
[/quote] :o ;D
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;D I like BrenhamFan too, hope I didn't upset him. Seriously, probably only LM when they were 4a beat teams with 2000+ students consistanly. I didn't feel like looking all of them up. ;D Much love to ya Brenham 8)

[cougar14]

[quote name="TradinUp BH" post="1391028" timestamp="1364996539"]
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[quote author=mytwocents link=topic=110696.msg1390247#msg1390247 date=1364690706]
You gotta throw sc and Crosby in there. Sc with there qb and two receivers back and that transfer running back. And Crosby with the twins and that tight end coming back. If they find a defense they would be serious contenders in D2.
[/quote]

Why do you think D2 is so much easier?  To me it's all the same.
[/quote]
In my opinion there are a lot more tougher teams in D1 than in D2. At least it was that way last year. I'm not saying that all teams in D2 are push overs. I'm just saying D1 has a lot more powerhouse teams. IMO that is.
[/quote]I agree, the reason D2 is easier is because of the enrollment. Georgetown won 3 or 4 games in 5a before realignment. The powerhouse teams like Dawson, Georgetown, Summer Creek, and 4a state champ Denton Guyer all have enrollments around 2000 or above. All things being equal an extra 5-600 kids makes a big difference. Division 2 teams are usually within a couple hundred kids of each other which makes for less disparity between the teams.
[/quote]

Then how do you explain some small schools consistently beating bigger schools or even schools from a lager classification?  BTW, I wouldn't consider Georgetown and SC powerhouses yet.  Nothing against them, but SC has one playoff win and Georgetown had one good year.  Dawson is proven, but that's about it.  Even they lose to a few smaller schools.
[/quote]
Which smaller schools are you talking about??
[/quote]

Brenham, LaMarque, Navasota, Stephenville & Dayton.  Those schools have under 1,500 students and have consistently beat schools with a 2000+ enrollment.
[/quote]

Busting your bubble on this one ;D

Brenham- enrollment 1424
2008-current playoff games

[u]Wins[/u]
Manor (twice)- 1658
Crosby- 1440
El Campo- 975 (currently 3a)
Kerrville Tivy- 1381
Dayton- 1443
PNG- 1431
KP- 1665

[u]Losses[/u]
Dayton
Aledo- 1544
KP
Ozen- 1264
Elgin- 1199

Where did ya'll beat a school with over 2000 students in the playoffs, which I think is what people are talking about, not non district games? ;D  Also, please name the schools that the schools you listed have beat with 2000+ students. I would venture to say no more then a couple for Brenham, LM, Navasota maybe none, Dayton maybe a few, and Stephenville maybe one or two. That's all years, non district, district, and playoffs.
[/quote]Good research, I wish more did the same.

[H-D BOBCAT 55]

HD!

[AggiesAreWe]

Newton has the best chance and I predict they will play for the title next season.

[smoketownswag]

Smoketown

[CAL2TEX]

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You gotta throw sc and Crosby in there. Sc with there qb and two receivers back and that transfer running back. And Crosby with the twins and that tight end coming back. If they find a defense they would be serious contenders in D2.
[/quote]

Why do you think D2 is so much easier?  To me it's all the same.
[/quote]
In my opinion there are a lot more tougher teams in D1 than in D2. At least it was that way last year. I'm not saying that all teams in D2 are push overs. I'm just saying D1 has a lot more powerhouse teams. IMO that is.
[/quote]I agree, the reason D2 is easier is because of the enrollment. Georgetown won 3 or 4 games in 5a before realignment. The powerhouse teams like Dawson, Georgetown, Summer Creek, and 4a state champ Denton Guyer all have enrollments around 2000 or above. All things being equal an extra 5-600 kids makes a big difference. Division 2 teams are usually within a couple hundred kids of each other which makes for less disparity between the teams.
[/quote]

Then how do you explain some small schools consistently beating bigger schools or even schools from a lager classification?  BTW, I wouldn't consider Georgetown and SC powerhouses yet.  Nothing against them, but SC has one playoff win and Georgetown had one good year.  Dawson is proven, but that's about it.  Even they lose to a few smaller schools.
[/quote]
Which smaller schools are you talking about??
[/quote]

Brenham, LaMarque, Navasota, Stephenville & Dayton.  Those schools have under 1,500 students and have consistently beat schools with a 2000+ enrollment.
[/quote]

Forgot about Ned
[/quote]i guess i have a different definition of consistently then. ned is the perfect example. i read an article earlier this year by some guy who had ned winning the region and cedar park winning the state championship saying cedar park was the best 4a team in the state. at the time ned was like 3-1 and cedar park was 2-2 so naturally i thought this guy was off his rocker and wasn't going to read that trash anymore. ned played for a regional crown in d1 and cedar park won the state 4a crown in d2. he also said, ''with teams like guyer, georgetown'' and some san antonio school ''dropping down they should already have a playoff spot reserved''. georgetown has been in the 5a cellar the last couple of years, they won 15 games in 4a last year. i'm not at all being confrontational but what 4a playoff teams with 2000 kids has ned consistently beat. there's a single win over dawson but 2 losses to 2k enrollment schools, before that it was consecutive first round losses to crosby. not even the great la marque could consistently beat 2k enrollment dawson and manvel in the district and especially playoff time. what team like that has dayton beat. of course a good 4a team can beat the 5a teams like [b]atascosita[/b], chavez, reagan, and south houston but there's a difference between those high enrollment schools and a 4a district champ with 2000 kids. saying that i do believe any team can be beat a a given night.
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Atascocita is probably a bad example, they as well as [b]Kingwood got slaughtered by the likes of Westfield and other schools 1000+ higher enrollment in 13-5a[/b]. I feel like just about anyone aside from a 5a powerhouse would experience a similar fate.
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Factually incorrect.  Westfield beat Kingwood 45-31 and although Kingwood lost 3 additional district games last year, no loss was more than 10 points.  I would hardly call that a "slaughter".  ::)

[aschom78]

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You gotta throw sc and Crosby in there. Sc with there qb and two receivers back and that transfer running back. And Crosby with the twins and that tight end coming back. If they find a defense they would be serious contenders in D2.
[/quote]

Why do you think D2 is so much easier?  To me it's all the same.
[/quote]
In my opinion there are a lot more tougher teams in D1 than in D2. At least it was that way last year. I'm not saying that all teams in D2 are push overs. I'm just saying D1 has a lot more powerhouse teams. IMO that is.
[/quote]I agree, the reason D2 is easier is because of the enrollment. Georgetown won 3 or 4 games in 5a before realignment. The powerhouse teams like Dawson, Georgetown, Summer Creek, and 4a state champ Denton Guyer all have enrollments around 2000 or above. All things being equal an extra 5-600 kids makes a big difference. Division 2 teams are usually within a couple hundred kids of each other which makes for less disparity between the teams.
[/quote]

Then how do you explain some small schools consistently beating bigger schools or even schools from a lager classification?  BTW, I wouldn't consider Georgetown and SC powerhouses yet.  Nothing against them, but SC has one playoff win and Georgetown had one good year.  Dawson is proven, but that's about it.  Even they lose to a few smaller schools.
[/quote]
Which smaller schools are you talking about??
[/quote]

Brenham, LaMarque, Navasota, Stephenville & Dayton.  Those schools have under 1,500 students and have consistently beat schools with a 2000+ enrollment.
[/quote]

Forgot about Ned
[/quote]i guess i have a different definition of consistently then. ned is the perfect example. i read an article earlier this year by some guy who had ned winning the region and cedar park winning the state championship saying cedar park was the best 4a team in the state. at the time ned was like 3-1 and cedar park was 2-2 so naturally i thought this guy was off his rocker and wasn't going to read that trash anymore. ned played for a regional crown in d1 and cedar park won the state 4a crown in d2. he also said, ''with teams like guyer, georgetown'' and some san antonio school ''dropping down they should already have a playoff spot reserved''. georgetown has been in the 5a cellar the last couple of years, they won 15 games in 4a last year. i'm not at all being confrontational but what 4a playoff teams with 2000 kids has ned consistently beat. there's a single win over dawson but 2 losses to 2k enrollment schools, before that it was consecutive first round losses to crosby. not even the great la marque could consistently beat 2k enrollment dawson and manvel in the district and especially playoff time. what team like that has dayton beat. of course a good 4a team can beat the 5a teams like [b]atascosita[/b], chavez, reagan, and south houston but there's a difference between those high enrollment schools and a 4a district champ with 2000 kids. saying that i do believe any team can be beat a a given night.
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Atascocita is probably a bad example, they as well as [b]Kingwood got slaughtered by the likes of Westfield and other schools 1000+ higher enrollment in 13-5a[/b]. I feel like just about anyone aside from a 5a powerhouse would experience a similar fate.
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Factually incorrect.  Westfield beat Kingwood 45-31 and although Kingwood lost 3 additional district games last year, no loss was more than 10 points.  I would hardly call that a "slaughter".  ::)
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I was exaggerating, both atascosita an Kingwood had their highlights last season, in fact I think if Kingwood had fed the beast (aka Kade Harrington) as much early in the season as they did late I believe they would have made it to the post season. Their new coach is kind of a spread offense loyalist.

[Uncle Si]

Hey, if you dont believe that the Newton Eagles will be in the mix for a State Championship this coming season then high school football is not your game, JACK!!

[cougar14]

[quote name="Uncle Si" post="1400190" timestamp="1367531988"]
Hey, if you dont believe that the Newton Eagles will be in the mix for a State Championship this coming season then high school football is not your game, JACK!!
[/quote]Reggie Davis took Teneha to the state title game with minimal help. Newton has the best skill position player in the region in shorter so I would also give them the best shot at a title.