Will Flanigan win with West Brook next season?

[Sport1971!]

I can say this...don't count THE BROOK out next year...gonna surprise some folks. Second, every team goes through a cycle and if you think Stump did not see this coming than I got some of that ocean front property in Arizona for sale. Third, coaches that are successful come in at he right time more import get out and on to the next one at the right time. It's game within a game if you know what I mean.

[DP#1FAN]

Will Flanigan win with West Brook next season?  I think he better or it's going to get loud over there.

[Bill Dauterive]

There are four reasons why Westbrook will not make the playoffs next year

1. Northshore
2. PAM
3. LaPorte
4. Deer Park

[Trocket]

[quote name="Bill Dauterive" post="1395183" timestamp="1366199632"]
There are four reasons why Westbrook will not make the playoffs next year

1. Northshore
2. PAM
3. LaPorte
4. Deer Park
[/quote]Well said :)

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

[quote name="Bill Dauterive" post="1395183" timestamp="1366199632"]
There are four reasons why Westbrook will not make the playoffs next year

1. Northshore
2. PAM
3. LaPorte
4. Deer Park
[/quote] ;) I was just telling someone that this past weekend.

+1

[cougar14]

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1395323" timestamp="1366217105"]
[quote author=Bill Dauterive link=topic=110729.msg1395183#msg1395183 date=1366199632]
There are four reasons why Westbrook will not make the playoffs next year

1. Northshore
2. PAM
3. LaPorte
4. Deer Park
[/quote] ;) I was just telling someone that this past weekend.

+1
[/quote]Y'all are overselling Deer Park and La Porte lost Whitely. For having way over 3k kids DP is never more than decent. I think WB gets in this year over either DP or La Porte.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

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[quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=110729.msg1395323#msg1395323 date=1366217105]
[quote author=Bill Dauterive link=topic=110729.msg1395183#msg1395183 date=1366199632]
There are four reasons why Westbrook will not make the playoffs next year

1. Northshore
2. PAM
3. LaPorte
4. Deer Park
[/quote] ;) I was just telling someone that this past weekend.

+1
[/quote]Y'all are overselling Deer Park and La Porte lost Whitely. For having way over 3k kids DP is never more than decent. I think WB gets in this year over either DP or La Porte.
[/quote]Deer Park out-executes everybody in the district IMO (i saw 2 of their district games versus LP & NS) and should have beaten the top 3 teams this past season. La Porte lost Whitely: correct, but they return Lewis who a bit smaller but faster and quicker than Whitely, return their QB as well and will have the best D in the district more than likely. WB best bet for a win next season versus the top 4 teams in the district is against NS and that is only if the NS OC allows it. They aint beating PAM or LP this year thats for sure.  8)

[BrookAlumni]

Well I will say this West Brook gonna shock a few people this year them bluiett boys bout to show up and not only r they going to the Playoffs but im calling  they will beat Deer Park and Memorial!!  :o

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

[quote name="BrookAlumni" post="1395524" timestamp="1366248903"]
Well I will say this West Brook gonna shock a few people this year them bluiett boys bout to show up and not only r they going to the Playoffs but im calling  they will beat Deer Park and Memorial!!  :o
[/quote]  ??? Wanna put that in a Burger Bet?

[cougar14]

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[quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=110729.msg1395323#msg1395323 date=1366217105]
[quote author=Bill Dauterive link=topic=110729.msg1395183#msg1395183 date=1366199632]
There are four reasons why Westbrook will not make the playoffs next year

1. Northshore
2. PAM
3. LaPorte
4. Deer Park
[/quote] ;) I was just telling someone that this past weekend.

+1
[/quote]Y'all are overselling Deer Park and La Porte lost Whitely. For having way over 3k kids DP is never more than decent. I think WB gets in this year over either DP or La Porte.
[/quote][b]Deer Park out-executes everybody in the district[/b] IMO (i saw 2 of their district games versus LP & NS) and should have beaten the top 3 teams this past season. La Porte lost Whitely: correct, but they return Lewis who a bit smaller but faster and quicker than Whitely, return their QB as well and will have the best D in the district more than likely. WB best bet for a win next season versus the top 4 teams in the district is against NS and that is only if the NS OC allows it. They aint beating PAM or LP this year thats for sure.  8)
[/quote]Which is the only reason they usually make the playoffs. Massey is a good coach but he also has nearly 4000 kids to choose from. When is a last time DP made a run? With that type of enrollment they should be North Shore's rival, instead they're NS's toy. Like you said though, they execute extremely well but for some reason much like BH in 19-4a they just don't seam to have the horses to consistently compete when they're not senior heavy. I also think there could be 2 three loss teams that get into the playoffs. One thing that's for sure is once Flannigan gets the offense installed WB is going to score points, everything else is up in the air but they will be explosive on offense. He's going to get a lot of kids scholarships on the offensive side of the ball if he hangs around long enough. 

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

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[quote author=cougar14 link=topic=110729.msg1395418#msg1395418 date=1366230762]
[quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=110729.msg1395323#msg1395323 date=1366217105]
[quote author=Bill Dauterive link=topic=110729.msg1395183#msg1395183 date=1366199632]
There are four reasons why Westbrook will not make the playoffs next year

1. Northshore
2. PAM
3. LaPorte
4. Deer Park
[/quote] ;) I was just telling someone that this past weekend.

+1
[/quote]Y'all are overselling Deer Park and La Porte lost Whitely. For having way over 3k kids DP is never more than decent. I think WB gets in this year over either DP or La Porte.
[/quote][b]Deer Park out-executes everybody in the district[/b] IMO (i saw 2 of their district games versus LP & NS) and should have beaten the top 3 teams this past season. La Porte lost Whitely: correct, but they return Lewis who a bit smaller but faster and quicker than Whitely, return their QB as well and will have the best D in the district more than likely. WB best bet for a win next season versus the top 4 teams in the district is against NS and that is only if the NS OC allows it. They aint beating PAM or LP this year thats for sure.  8)
[/quote]Which is the only reason they usually make the playoffs. Massey is a good coach but he also has nearly 4000 kids to choose from. When is a last time DP made a run? With that type of enrollment they should be North Shore's rival, instead they're NS's toy. Like you said though, they execute extremely well but for some reason much like BH in 19-4a they just don't seam to have the horses to consistently compete when they're not senior heavy. I also think there could be 2 three loss teams that get into the playoffs. [b]One thing that's for sure is once Flannigan gets the offense installed WB is going to score points[/b], everything else is up in the air but they will be explosive on offense. He's going to get a lot of kids scholarships on the offensive side of the ball if he hangs around long enough.
[/quote]I agree with you there, only if they go up-tempo. When they used that slowed down stuff it hardly worked IMO. (in regards to WB)

The thing with DP: i dont know what type of off-season program they have but they had only 2 real speed demons last year that could stretch the field. They got some athletes, but i dont know, they find ways to win in the regular season, they like a poor mans Katy as far as executing.

[Trocket]

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[quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=110729.msg1395323#msg1395323 date=1366217105]
[quote author=Bill Dauterive link=topic=110729.msg1395183#msg1395183 date=1366199632]
There are four reasons why Westbrook will not make the playoffs next year

1. Northshore
2. PAM
3. LaPorte
4. Deer Park
[/quote] ;) I was just telling someone that this past weekend.

+1
[/quote]Y'all are overselling Deer Park and La Porte lost Whitely. For having way over 3k kids DP is never more than decent. I think WB gets in this year over either DP or La Porte.
[/quote][b]Deer Park out-executes everybody in the district[/b] IMO (i saw 2 of their district games versus LP & NS) and should have beaten the top 3 teams this past season. La Porte lost Whitely: correct, but they return Lewis who a bit smaller but faster and quicker than Whitely, return their QB as well and will have the best D in the district more than likely. WB best bet for a win next season versus the top 4 teams in the district is against NS and that is only if the NS OC allows it. They aint beating PAM or LP this year thats for sure.  8)
[/quote]Which is the only reason they usually make the playoffs. Massey is a good coach but he also has nearly 4000 kids to choose from. When is a last time DP made a run? With that type of enrollment they should be North Shore's rival, instead they're NS's toy. Like you said though, they execute extremely well but for some reason much like BH in 19-4a they just don't seam to have the horses to consistently compete when they're not senior heavy. I also think there could be 2 three loss teams that get into the playoffs. [b]One thing that's for sure is once Flannigan gets the offense installed WB is going to score points[/b], everything else is up in the air but they will be explosive on offense. He's going to get a lot of kids scholarships on the offensive side of the ball if he hangs around long enough.
[/quote]I agree with you there, only if they go up-tempo. When they used that slowed down stuff it hardly worked IMO. (in regards to WB)

The thing with DP: i dont know what type of off-season program they have but they had only 2 real speed demons last year that could stretch the field. They got some athletes, but i dont know, they find ways to win in the regular season, they like a poor mans Katy as far as executing.
[/quote]+1 for the both of you very interesting conversation, with got points from both of you.

[Yeoj]

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1395527" timestamp="1366249598"]
[quote author=BrookAlumni link=topic=110729.msg1395524#msg1395524 date=1366248903]
Well I will say this West Brook gonna shock a few people this year them bluiett boys bout to show up and not only r they going to the Playoffs but im calling  they will beat Deer Park and [b]Memorial[/b]!!  :o
[/quote]  ??? Wanna put that in a Burger Bet?
[/quote]
I like my burger made with mayo and ketchup, cheese and bacon, no pickles or onions!  8)

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

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[quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=110729.msg1395527#msg1395527 date=1366249598]
[quote author=BrookAlumni link=topic=110729.msg1395524#msg1395524 date=1366248903]
Well I will say this West Brook gonna shock a few people this year them bluiett boys bout to show up and not only r they going to the Playoffs but im calling  they will beat Deer Park and [b]Memorial[/b]!!  :o
[/quote]  ??? Wanna put that in a Burger Bet?
[/quote]
I like my burger made with mayo and ketchup, cheese and bacon, no pickles or onions!  8)
[/quote]Good, you'll be able to buy mine right before you order yours. deal, im in.  8)

[Yeoj]

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[quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=110729.msg1395527#msg1395527 date=1366249598]
[quote author=BrookAlumni link=topic=110729.msg1395524#msg1395524 date=1366248903]
Well I will say this West Brook gonna shock a few people this year them bluiett boys bout to show up and not only r they going to the Playoffs but im calling  they will beat Deer Park and [b]Memorial[/b]!!  :o
[/quote]  ??? Wanna put that in a Burger Bet?
[/quote]
I like my burger made with mayo and ketchup, cheese and bacon, no pickles or onions!  8)
[/quote]Good, you'll be able to buy mine right before you order yours. deal, im in.  8)
[/quote]
Bet

[BrookAlumni]

man I like mine with cheese, bacon, mayo, Lettuce, pickles with jalepenoes ! And make sure they toast the buns!

[BrookAlumni]

[quote name="Yeoj" post="1390868" timestamp="1364943469"]
[b]If Flannigan plays the right kid at QB, West Brook will be one of the four playoff teams.[/b] If not then the season will look a lot like the last one. As far as the speed statement, Hervey the returning starting RB ran a 10.6 hundred meters and is pretty fast. I'm hearing that the new strength and conditioning coach has the players looking like beasts. Will see???
[/quote]

We will see who looks ready in Spring? As for Hervey that kid has alot of talent man if they can spread the ball and make some lanes for Hervey he will blow it up this year!

[OlDawg]

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[quote author=Bill Dauterive link=topic=110729.msg1395183#msg1395183 date=1366199632]
There are four reasons why Westbrook will not make the playoffs next year

1. Northshore
2. PAM
3. LaPorte
4. Deer Park
[/quote] ;) I was just telling someone that this past weekend.

+1
[/quote]Y'all are overselling Deer Park and La Porte lost Whitely. For having way over 3k kids DP is never more than decent. I think WB gets in this year over either DP or La Porte.
[/quote][b]Deer Park out-executes everybody in the district[/b] IMO (i saw 2 of their district games versus LP & NS) and should have beaten the top 3 teams this past season. La Porte lost Whitely: correct, but they return Lewis who a bit smaller but faster and quicker than Whitely, return their QB as well and will have the best D in the district more than likely. WB best bet for a win next season versus the top 4 teams in the district is against NS and that is only if the NS OC allows it. They aint beating PAM or LP this year thats for sure.  8)
[/quote]Which is the only reason they usually make the playoffs. Massey is a good coach but he also has nearly 4000 kids to choose from. When is a last time DP made a run? With that type of enrollment they should be North Shore's rival, instead they're NS's toy. Like you said though, they execute extremely well but for some reason much like BH in 19-4a they just don't seam to have the horses to consistently compete when they're not senior heavy. [b]I also think there could be 2 three loss teams that get into the playoffs.[/b] One thing that's for sure is once Flannigan gets the offense installed WB is going to score points, everything else is up in the air but they will be explosive on offense. He's going to get a lot of kids scholarships on the offensive side of the ball if he hangs around long enough.
[/quote]What are you smoking again? This is simply delusional. Do you see spiders? Are you hungry? What?  ;)

[ice74]

I'm certain there is much talent at WB, I'm just not confident that Flanigan can utilize it on the level required to win in this district.  I believe that they will have a better record than last year, but not a record that will get them in the playoffs.  Also, following the turn around that WB saw under Stump and theor ability to keep winning, the expectations are much higher at this stage.  A winning season is not enough because prior to Flanigan coming on board the program was a winning, playoff bound team.  Just my opinion, but I don't think that he will be able beat Memorial, North Shore, Deer Park, or Laporte this year.  As a graduate of WB I hope that he does, but I am less than confident that they are ready to compete on a playoff level yet.

[82 5A State Champs]

Well said, ice.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

[quote name="ice74" post="1396851" timestamp="1366662973"]
I'm certain there is much talent at WB, I'm just not confident that Flanigan can utilize it on the level required to win in this district.  I believe that they will have a better record than last year, but not a record that will get them in the playoffs.  Also, following the turn around that WB saw under Stump and theor ability to keep winning, the expectations are much higher at this stage.  A winning season is not enough because prior to Flanigan coming on board the program was a winning, playoff bound team.  Just my opinion, but I don't think that he will be able beat Memorial, North Shore, Deer Park, or Laporte this year.  As a graduate of WB I hope that he does, but I am less than confident that they are ready to compete on a playoff level yet.
[/quote] +1!

[Yeoj]

[quote name="ice74" post="1396851" timestamp="1366662973"]
I'm certain there is much talent at WB, I'm just not confident that Flanigan can utilize it on the level required to win in this district.  I believe that they will have a better record than last year, but not a record that will get them in the playoffs.  Also, following the turn around that WB saw under Stump and theor ability to keep winning, the expectations are much higher at this stage.  A winning season is not enough because prior to Flanigan coming on board the program was a winning, playoff bound team.  Just my opinion, but I don't think that he will be able beat Memorial, North Shore, Deer Park, or Laporte this year.  As a graduate of WB I hope that he does, but I am less than confident that they are ready to compete on a playoff level yet.
[/quote]
WB won district ONE time under Coach Stump. There was no big four when Stump coached the Bruins. It was a six team district including Channelview and Baytown Sterling. It was pretty much a given they would get in the playoffs. It is a much tougher district now. I don't believe anyone is saying the Bruins will win district but, they will be talented enough to make the playoffs. I think they knock off one of the playoff teams from last year and get in.

[hitman009]

[quote name="Yeoj" post="1397115" timestamp="1366727796"]
[quote author=ice74 link=topic=110729.msg1396851#msg1396851 date=1366662973]
I'm certain there is much talent at WB, I'm just not confident that Flanigan can utilize it on the level required to win in this district.  I believe that they will have a better record than last year, but not a record that will get them in the playoffs.  Also, following the turn around that WB saw under Stump and theor ability to keep winning, the expectations are much higher at this stage.  A winning season is not enough because prior to Flanigan coming on board the program was a winning, playoff bound team.  Just my opinion, but I don't think that he will be able beat Memorial, North Shore, Deer Park, or Laporte this year.  As a graduate of WB I hope that he does, but I am less than confident that they are ready to compete on a playoff level yet.
[/quote]
WB won district ONE time under Coach Stump. There was no big four when Stump coached the Bruins. It was a six team district including Channelview and Baytown Sterling. It was pretty much a given they would get in the playoffs. It is a much tougher district now. I don't believe anyone is saying the Bruins will win district but, they will be talented enough to make the playoffs. I think they knock off one of the playoff teams from last year and get in.
[/quote]+5

[ice74]

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[quote author=Yeoj link=topic=110729.msg1397115#msg1397115 date=1366727796]
[quote author=ice74 link=topic=110729.msg1396851#msg1396851 date=1366662973]
I'm certain there is much talent at WB, I'm just not confident that Flanigan can utilize it on the level required to win in this district.  I believe that they will have a better record than last year, but not a record that will get them in the playoffs.  Also, following the turn around that WB saw under Stump and theor ability to keep winning, the expectations are much higher at this stage.  A winning season is not enough because prior to Flanigan coming on board the program was a winning, playoff bound team.  Just my opinion, but I don't think that he will be able beat Memorial, North Shore, Deer Park, or Laporte this year.  As a graduate of WB I hope that he does, but I am less than confident that they are ready to compete on a playoff level yet.
[/quote]
WB won district ONE time under Coach Stump. There was no big four when Stump coached the Bruins. It was a six team district including Channelview and Baytown Sterling. It was pretty much a given they would get in the playoffs. It is a much tougher district now. I don't believe anyone is saying the Bruins will win district but, they will be talented enough to make the playoffs. I think they knock off one of the playoff teams from last year and get in.
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[/quote]

Only time will tell.  You make a good point about the alignment of the district when Stump was at the helm.  However, even those seasons that they didn't win district but made the playoffs, they did well in the postseason too.  Which set the bar pretty high, I don't know that Flannigan and company could have done the same in the district then and certainly have my doubts about them doing so now facing the big four.  Again, I know it takes time to put in a system, but last year was rather dismal.  I hope Flanigan proves me wrong, but I'll wait...

[Yeoj]

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[quote author=ice74 link=topic=110729.msg1396851#msg1396851 date=1366662973]
I'm certain there is much talent at WB, I'm just not confident that Flanigan can utilize it on the level required to win in this district.  I believe that they will have a better record than last year, but not a record that will get them in the playoffs.  Also, following the turn around that WB saw under Stump and theor ability to keep winning, the expectations are much higher at this stage.  A winning season is not enough because prior to Flanigan coming on board the program was a winning, playoff bound team.  Just my opinion, but I don't think that he will be able beat Memorial, North Shore, Deer Park, or Laporte this year.  As a graduate of WB I hope that he does, but I am less than confident that they are ready to compete on a playoff level yet.
[/quote]
WB won district ONE time under Coach Stump. There was no big four when Stump coached the Bruins. It was a six team district including Channelview and Baytown Sterling. It was pretty much a given they would get in the playoffs. It is a much tougher district now. I don't believe anyone is saying the Bruins will win district but, they will be talented enough to make the playoffs. I think they knock off one of the playoff teams from last year and get in.
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[/quote]

Only time will tell.  You make a good point about the alignment of the district when Stump was at the helm.  However, even those seasons that they didn't win district but made the playoffs, they did well in the postseason too.  Which set the bar pretty high, I don't know that Flannigan and company could have done the same in the district then and certainly have my doubts about them doing so now facing the big four.  Again, I know it takes time to put in a system, but last year was rather dismal.  I hope Flanigan proves me wrong, but I'll wait...
[/quote]
The talent level Flannigan is coaching is far less than the level and amount of talent Stump coached at WB. After C-mike gets drafted this weekend that would be two NFL RBs Stump coached. Flannigan doesn't have a NFL RB to bail him out. Hell it can be said the with all the talent Stump coached that he underachieved at West Brook. I do agree with you about the jury still being out on Flannigan though. Everyone knew last year would be mediocre. This year he has a more talented team, so we'll see what type of coach he is.