Offense or Defense?

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The better teams have both.......Which is more important, a good defense or good offense?

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

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The better teams have both.......Which is more important, a good defense or good offense?
[/quote]good D. seen it just last night in the Title game last night and im watching it now on ESPN.

[no-look]

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1393022" timestamp="1365559312"]
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The better teams have both.......Which is more important, a good defense or good offense?
[/quote]good D. seen it just last night in the Title game last night and im watching it now on ESPN.
[/quote]You should never have an off night defensively....

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

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[quote author=no-look link=topic=111016.msg1393017#msg1393017 date=1365559149]
The better teams have both.......Which is more important, a good defense or good offense?
[/quote]good D. seen it just last night in the Title game last night and im watching it now on ESPN.
[/quote]You should never have an off night defensively....
[/quote]I agree. a good D can create easy scoring chances for an average or worse offense.

[BLUEDOVE3]

Smart players are better. You can run whatever offense or defense , if they are not smart enough to figure it out...well-ll....

[Dick Vitale]

Think of it this way.....What is the first thing that kids do when they walk in a gym? Pick up a ball and SHOOT it, or get down in a defensive stance and do some slides? The GOOD teams have guys that can really score, the GREAT ones have guys on it that will guard you from the time you step off of the bus!  ;)

[Guest BigCountry66]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1393202" timestamp="1365602047"]
Think of it this way.....What is the first thing that kids do when they walk in a gym? Pick up a ball and SHOOT it, or get down in a defensive stance and do some slides? The [b]GOOD teams have guys that can really score, the GREAT ones have guys on it that will guard you from the time you step off of the bus![/b]  ;)
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That's probably one of the best posts I've ever read on here.  So true.  I had a coach that used to say "If the other team can't score, the worst you can do is tie".  That coach was my dad and he said it in basketball, football and baseball.  A lot of people stress defense in football and baseball but you don't see near enough emphasis put on it in basketball, IMO.  Youth coaches will spend a whole practice trying to teach one or two plays when that time would have been better spent running defensive drills. 

DV, if you don't mind, I may have that quote put on my tombstone.  :)

[east texas bb]

I would say defense out of those 2. 
Ball-Handling (Passing/Dribbling) would be my 1st.  IMO without that you can never get a shot or have a chance to defend a shot.

[5GallonBucket]

Defense wins championships

[BLUEDOVE3]

For high school:

1. Dribbling, shooting, & passing

2. Blocking out & rebounding

[stevenash]

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For high school:

1. Dribbling, shooting, & passing

2. Blocking out & rebounding
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And for certain high schools, "acquiring players" that dont belong there.

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1397869" timestamp="1366903761"]
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For high school:

1. Dribbling, shooting, & passing

2. Blocking out & rebounding
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And for certain high schools, "acquiring players" that dont belong there.
[/quote] Well, I guess 'some schools" like to acquire players who already have those skills. Makes it easier I guess.

[BLUEDOVE3]

Some people just can't get over losing to [s]good[/s] better teams.

[stevenash]

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Some people just can't get over losing to [s]good[/s] better teams.
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And some cant get over losing to "unfairly assembled" teams

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1397907" timestamp="1366910119"]
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Some people just can't get over losing to [s]good[/s] better teams.
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And some cant get over losing to "unfairly assembled" teams
[/quote]Thats when good coaching comes into play, would you agree?

[stevenash]

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[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=111016.msg1397907#msg1397907 date=1366910119]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=111016.msg1397871#msg1397871 date=1366904027]
Some people just can't get over losing to [s]good[/s] better teams.
[/quote]

And some cant get over losing to "unfairly assembled" teams
[/quote]Thats when good coaching comes into play, would you agree?
[/quote]

Good coaches cant play the game and cant substitute African 7 footers

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1397917" timestamp="1366911544"]
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[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=111016.msg1397907#msg1397907 date=1366910119]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=111016.msg1397871#msg1397871 date=1366904027]
Some people just can't get over losing to [s]good[/s] better teams.
[/quote]

And some cant get over losing to "unfairly assembled" teams
[/quote]Thats when good coaching comes into play, would you agree?
[/quote]

Good coaches cant play the game and cant substitute African 7 footers
[/quote]Anyway, I saw a 6'0" foot kid take the ball away from a 6'9" American kid last night. Maybe on the defensive side [s]your[/s] some players need to get [i]quicker [/i]on defense and less time running off-season marathons.  ;)

[stevenash]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1397998" timestamp="1366921956"]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=111016.msg1397917#msg1397917 date=1366911544]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=111016.msg1397912#msg1397912 date=1366910685]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=111016.msg1397907#msg1397907 date=1366910119]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=111016.msg1397871#msg1397871 date=1366904027]
Some people just can't get over losing to [s]good[/s] better teams.
[/quote]

And some cant get over losing to "unfairly assembled" teams
[/quote]Thats when good coaching comes into play, would you agree?
[/quote]

Good coaches cant play the game and cant substitute African 7 footers
[/quote]Anyway, I saw a 6'0" foot kid take the ball away from a 6'9" American kid last night. Maybe on the defensive side [s]your[/s] some players need to get [i]quicker [/i]on defense and less time running off-season marathons.  ;)
[/quote]

NOt sure about that Dove- our kids fair pretty well when they are on a level playing field.

[BLUEDOVE3]

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[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=111016.msg1397917#msg1397917 date=1366911544]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=111016.msg1397912#msg1397912 date=1366910685]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=111016.msg1397907#msg1397907 date=1366910119]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=111016.msg1397871#msg1397871 date=1366904027]
Some people just can't get over losing to [s]good[/s] better teams.
[/quote]

And some cant get over losing to "unfairly assembled" teams
[/quote]Thats when good coaching comes into play, would you agree?
[/quote]

Good coaches cant play the game and cant substitute African 7 footers
[/quote]Anyway, I saw a 6'0" foot kid take the ball away from a 6'9" American kid last night. Maybe on the defensive side [s]your[/s] some players need to get [i]quicker [/i]on defense and less time running off-season marathons.  ;)
[/quote]

NOt sure about that Dove- our kids fair pretty well when they are on a level playing field.
[/quote] Play defense to get you on a level field. Be thankful you're not playing with a shot clock, yet!!

[stevenash]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1399422" timestamp="1367342437"]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=111016.msg1398031#msg1398031 date=1366925343]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=111016.msg1397998#msg1397998 date=1366921956]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=111016.msg1397917#msg1397917 date=1366911544]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=111016.msg1397912#msg1397912 date=1366910685]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=111016.msg1397907#msg1397907 date=1366910119]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=111016.msg1397871#msg1397871 date=1366904027]
Some people just can't get over losing to [s]good[/s] better teams.
[/quote]

And some cant get over losing to "unfairly assembled" teams
[/quote]Thats when good coaching comes into play, would you agree?
[/quote]

Good coaches cant play the game and cant substitute African 7 footers
[/quote]Anyway, I saw a 6'0" foot kid take the ball away from a 6'9" American kid last night. Maybe on the defensive side [s]your[/s] some players need to get [i]quicker [/i]on defense and less time running off-season marathons.  ;)
[/quote]

NOt sure about that Dove- our kids fair pretty well when they are on a level playing field.
[/quote] Play defense to get you on a level field. Be thankful you're not playing with a shot clock, yet!!
[/quote]

I have a feeling that our staff can make the shot clock adjustment just as efficiently as any other staff can.

[stevenash]

Here is some interesting info from a coach with whom I am pretty close:


1)  There will never be a shot clock in Texas high school basketball.  Schools can hardly find someone to keep the real clock, much less someone to restart a clock every time the ball touches the rim….and thats before you get to the cost of installing them.

2)  As for offense v. defense I can tell you this from experience.  I think "Defense wins championships" is an overrated quote.  In my first year as a head coach I couldn't wait to get in there and get our pressure defense put in.  We spent so much time learning to trap, rotate, sprint, etc.  And guess what….we were pretty dang good defensively.  We were not giving up many points at all….we got to district and started out 0-2 and it was because we couldn't score.  From that point on we spent the athletic period every day doing individual shooting drills.  Each player was getting up 300-400 shots in competitive game type situations.  We ended up winning the district and advancing two rounds in the playoffs.  We started winning because we could score.  I'm not saying defense isn't important but, defense can be successful with great effort.  Offense cannot be great without skill and execution both of which take longer to develop.  Any coach will tell you that their defense comes along faster than their offense.  Being able to defend is great but, you dang sure better be able to put the ball in the bucket.  Here's my take on "Defense Wins Championships"……I've never seen a championship game end 2-0.  You gotta be able to score in this game.

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1399474" timestamp="1367349606"]
Here is some interesting info from a coach with whom I am pretty close:


1)  There will never be a shot clock in Texas high school basketball.  Schools can hardly find someone to keep the real clock, much less someone to restart a clock every time the ball touches the rim….and thats before you get to the cost of installing them.

2)  As for offense v. defense I can tell you this from experience.  I think "Defense wins championships" is an overrated quote.  In my first year as a head coach I couldn't wait to get in there and get our pressure defense put in.  We spent so much time learning to trap, rotate, sprint, etc.  And guess what….we were pretty dang good defensively.  We were not giving up many points at all….we got to district and started out 0-2 and it was because we couldn't score.  From that point on we spent the athletic period every day doing individual shooting drills.  Each player was getting up 300-400 shots in competitive game type situations.  We ended up winning the district and advancing two rounds in the playoffs.  We started winning because we could score.  I'm not saying defense isn't important but, defense can be successful with great effort.  Offense cannot be great without skill and execution both of which take longer to develop.  Any coach will tell you that their defense comes along faster than their offense.  Being able to defend is great but, you dang sure better be able to put the ball in the bucket.  Here's my take on "Defense Wins Championships"……I've never seen a championship game end 2-0.  You gotta be able to score in this game.
[/quote] #2 Amen!!!!  Texas is always last in changes, but will eventually come around and catch up. I'm sure at one time there were coaches saying that Texas would never allow their kids to play organized basketball beyond  the summer months.  ;)

[no-look]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1399474" timestamp="1367349606"]
Here is some interesting info from a coach with whom I am pretty close:


1)  There will never be a shot clock in Texas high school basketball.  Schools can hardly find someone to keep the real clock, much less someone to restart a clock every time the ball touches the rim….and thats before you get to the cost of installing them.

2)  As for offense v. defense I can tell you this from experience.  I think "Defense wins championships" is an overrated quote.  In my first year as a head coach I couldn't wait to get in there and get our pressure defense put in.  We spent so much time learning to trap, rotate, sprint, etc.  And guess what….we were pretty dang good defensively.  We were not giving up many points at all….we got to district and started out 0-2 and it was because we couldn't score.  From that point on we spent the athletic period every day doing individual shooting drills.  Each player was getting up 300-400 shots in competitive game type situations.  We ended up winning the district and advancing two rounds in the playoffs.  We started winning because we could score.  I'm not saying defense isn't important but, defense can be successful with great effort.  Offense cannot be great without skill and execution both of which take longer to develop.  Any coach will tell you that their defense comes along faster than their offense.  Being able to defend is great but, you dang sure better be able to put the ball in the bucket.  Here's my take on "Defense Wins Championships"……I've never seen a championship game end 2-0.  You gotta be able to score in this game.
[/quote]Good things happen when you can hit the basket...