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They may very well be this year. But the playoffs are the time to prove it. Someone might could look it up, but i don't believe they've ever done better than a split with 20-4a. If wrong i apologize, but i'm close. Maybe this will be the year.
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This is good question and one that should be debated.  In order to reach a conclusion, we need to decide on what makes a district 'tough'.  IMO, it is a combination of two things:
1) How many legit teams do you have in your district that are in a heated battle for a playoff spot? 
2) How successful are the teams from your district once they get in the playoffs?

And are we talking about in the last 5 years, 10 yrs, 20 years, etc.  I personally think the last 5-10 years is what should be looked at.

At the risk of not mentioning a tough district, I'll namea few that stand out:
18-4A, 19-4A, 20-4A and 24-4A
21-5A (might not seem as tough because you don't usually have 6 or more quality teams competing but that's just the nature of 5A)
21-3A & 22-3A (the top 2-3 schools in each are as good as most 4A & 5A schools)

My vote would be between the 4A districts mentioned.  I would rely on the recent playoff history of those 4A districts to decide on the Best/Toughest.  If I went with my heart, it would be 20-4A but the playoff history is what really matters.
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[quote name="BrenhamFan" post="1393391" timestamp="1365649800"]
[quote author=Atomic Dawg link=topic=111040.msg1393356#msg1393356 date=1365635747]
19 4a is the best baseball district in SE Texas
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Maybe in setx but not in region 3.
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Stand down...............Lol ;). We've met before, I'm good friends with SC DAWG.........
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[quote name="BigCountry66" post="1393519" timestamp="1365704536"]
This is good question and one that should be debated.  In order to reach a conclusion, we need to decide on what makes a district 'tough'.  IMO, it is a combination of two things:
1) How many legit teams do you have in your district that are in a heated battle for a playoff spot? 
2) How successful are the teams from your district once they get in the playoffs?

And are we talking about in the last 5 years, 10 yrs, 20 years, etc.  I personally think the last 5-10 years is what should be looked at.


At the risk of not mentioning a tough district, I'll namea few that stand out:
18-4A, 19-4A, 20-4A and 24-4A
21-5A (might not seem as tough because you don't usually have 6 or more quality teams competing but that's just the nature of 5A)
21-3A & 22-3A (the top 2-3 schools in each are as good as most 4A & 5A schools)

My vote would be between the 4A districts mentioned.  I would rely on the recent playoff history of those 4A districts to decide on the Best/Toughest.  If I went with my heart, it would be 20-4A but the playoff history is what really matters.
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Well I know BH and kp have had legitimate success over the years and are having great seasons. We're loaded with talent over at SC but lack maturity and leadership,and in my opinion Crosby has one of the best pitchers in the area in Davenport. The only thing that's certain in our district is that BH is going to win it. Everything else may go to the last week. Going to be fun in the playoffs. Looking forward to spanking 20 4a again..........this time in baseball. ;)
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[quote name="Atomic Dawg" post="1393551" timestamp="1365718255"]
[quote author=BrenhamFan link=topic=111040.msg1393391#msg1393391 date=1365649800]
[quote author=Atomic Dawg link=topic=111040.msg1393356#msg1393356 date=1365635747]
19 4a is the best baseball district in SE Texas
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Maybe in setx but not in region 3.
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Stand down...............Lol ;). We've met before, I'm good friends with SC DAWG.........
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Lol.  Gotta love sports talk.
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[quote name="BrenhamFan" post="1393563" timestamp="1365728429"]
[quote author=Atomic Dawg link=topic=111040.msg1393551#msg1393551 date=1365718255]
[quote author=BrenhamFan link=topic=111040.msg1393391#msg1393391 date=1365649800]
[quote author=Atomic Dawg link=topic=111040.msg1393356#msg1393356 date=1365635747]
19 4a is the best baseball district in SE Texas
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Maybe in setx but not in region 3.
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Stand down...............Lol ;). We've met before, I'm good friends with SC DAWG.........
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Lol.  Gotta love sports talk.
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I'm just glad we don't have to see you guy in the first round........
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[quote name="Atomic Dawg" post="1393553" timestamp="1365719362"]
[quote author=BigCountry66 link=topic=111040.msg1393519#msg1393519 date=1365704536]
This is good question and one that should be debated.  In order to reach a conclusion, we need to decide on what makes a district 'tough'.  IMO, it is a combination of two things:
1) How many legit teams do you have in your district that are in a heated battle for a playoff spot? 
2) How successful are the teams from your district once they get in the playoffs?

And are we talking about in the last 5 years, 10 yrs, 20 years, etc.  I personally think the last 5-10 years is what should be looked at.


At the risk of not mentioning a tough district, I'll namea few that stand out:
18-4A, 19-4A, 20-4A and 24-4A
21-5A (might not seem as tough because you don't usually have 6 or more quality teams competing but that's just the nature of 5A)
21-3A & 22-3A (the top 2-3 schools in each are as good as most 4A & 5A schools)

My vote would be between the 4A districts mentioned.  I would rely on the recent playoff history of those 4A districts to decide on the Best/Toughest.  If I went with my heart, it would be 20-4A but the playoff history is what really matters.
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Well I know BH and kp have had legitimate success over the years and are having great seasons. We're loaded with talent over at SC but lack maturity and leadership,and in my opinion Crosby has one of the best pitchers in the area in Davenport. The only thing that's certain in our district is that BH is going to win it. Everything else may go to the last week. Going to be fun in the playoffs. Looking forward to [b]spanking 20 4a[/b] again..........this time in baseball. ;)
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Don't go sleeping on our district. Ned has perhaps the best pitching in the area, and is senior lead. PNG has been hot of late. LCM is good. Vidor can pitch with almost any team. Going to be very interesting come playoffs.
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Nederland- Raines,Angelina J.C. Sanderson has offers,Nevalla has signed PNG-Ashworth,Alabama LeDeoux very goo lefty Leckich good also.Lumberton's White lefty very good.LCM Humphrey,Lamar Swan 90 plus Vidor Big John 90 plus Foshee very good Livingston Lantrip U of Houston,Ozen,Chambers very good lefty 20-4a loaded with quality pitching!Could use some help to list where the others have signed with.
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[quote name="scapegoat" post="1393792" timestamp="1365801914"]
Nederland- Raines,Angelina J.C. Sanderson has offers,Nevalla has signed PNG-Ashworth,Alabama LeDeoux very goo lefty Leckich good also.Lumberton's White lefty very good.LCM Humphrey,Lamar Swan 90 plus Vidor Big John 90 plus Foshee very good Livingston Lantrip U of Houston,Ozen,Chambers very good lefty 20-4a loaded with quality pitching!Could use some help to list where the others have signed with.
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I heard rumor that J Smith from vidor had signed with Angelina. Can anyone confirm?
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In the mid to late 90's it was 20-4A was the toughest district in the region. No doubt!

I got this off 20-4A / 21-3A history on this site. 

From 2001 on 20-4A has not been as tough.  In 12 years 20-4A has been past the second round only 9 times (LCM 4, PNG 3, and Ned 2) out of forty playoff teams. I do not believe any teams in this district will advance to third round this year either and have seen all play.

That is compared to the 12 times (LCM 5, Ned 5, PNG 2) in six years prior to that out of sixteen playoff teams.

Seems like we have regressed in this area in recent years.

History 20-4A

1995
1. WOS.. beat Jasper/lost to Brenham
2.Nederland.. beat Silsbee/Hallsville/Scarbourgh/Brenham/ at state lost to Coppell


1996
1.LCM...beat New Caney/Brenham/Clear Brook/Carthage/ at state beat south Lake/ lost to Arlington Heights
2.Nederland...beat Jasper/ lost to Carthage


1997
1. Nederland...bye/beat New Caney/Brenham/El Campo/LCM/ at state lost Fort Worth Highlands
2. LCM...beat Silsbee/Athens/Jasper/TxCity/lost to Nederland
3.PNG...beat Hardin-Jeff/lost to Brenham

1998
1. LCM...bye/beat Athens/Sweeny/lost to Ned
2. Nederland..beat Dayton/Whitehouse/Jasper/LCM/lost at state Calallan
3. PNG...beat HJ/lost to Oak Ridge

1999
1. Nederland...bye/beat Magnolia/PNG/West Columbia/lost to Brenham
2. LCM....beat Lumberton/Carthage/lost to Brenham
3. PNG...beat Dayton/Oak Ridge/lost to Nederland

2000
1. Nederland...bye/beat Longview/lost to LCM
2. PNG...beat Dayton/Carthage/Jasper/Tx City/LCM/Arlington Heights/lost state final to Calallen
3. LCM...beat Lumberton/Brenham/Nederland/New Caney/lost to PNG
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[quote name="BH10" post="1394245" timestamp="1365899153"]
19-4A overall is a stronger district with the realignment this year with the exception of losing GCM. [b]Are we the toughest maybe maybe not, but we are really good and 19-4A has plenty of pitching.[/b]
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Same can be said in 20-4a
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