Which first-year coach do you think will have the best 2013 season, and why?

[snafu]

[quote name="AthleticSupporter - Jock" post="1410741" timestamp="1370372980"]
If we can keep this thread on topic, it's an interesting discussion.  Foreman will have a successful season.  Dubois will do a great job of quickly turning HJ football program into a contender.  And I think Haynes will have the Raiders surprise a few people.  We should define what would be considered 'the best 2013 season'.  Should it be for the coach that improves the win/loss record the most over the previous season?  Can someone list the previous records for the programs we are discussing here?
[/quote]

With all that said.... nothing about Ozen and Keeath Magee ??? there is some talent over there also....

[bedelmon]

[quote name="Scatright" post="1410688" timestamp="1370367982"]
[quote author=Farmer Fran link=topic=112141.msg1410681#msg1410681 date=1370367224]
[quote author=bigdog link=topic=112141.msg1410649#msg1410649 date=1370364401]
[quote author=Coach Comeaux link=topic=112141.msg1410646#msg1410646 date=1370364061]
no ... I think his passion for his hawks is unwavering.... his headbutting isn't with me.... trust me he is dug in like an Alabama mountain tick.... he has good intentions just sometimes comes across the wrong way... I have no beef with Barry... do I agree with everything he says or the way he says it? no... but do I want him banned for expressing his love for his team? no...
[/quote]

Actually he was not the one that got this one off topic, this time.  To the others that keep baiting, stay on topic and if you want to talk to herefortheparty , IM him or start your own thread.
[/quote]



But, he is the one running down a former HC and now calling out one of the former assistants.

Rule 18 of setxsports

18 ) The bashing of any particular coach, player, referee, etc will not be tolerated. This includes issues involving their personal lives, coaching/playing style or performance, past experiences, etc.

[/quote]

I just keep reminding myself that Barry is the one dragging his own name through the mud and tarnishing the program he claims to love.  He thinks he's standing up for the kids, truth is, he's just making all of us think less of that program.
[/quote]


All I said was that HJ has kids that were (in my opinion) under-utilized..... Am I not allowed to say that? I didnt ask a certain person to call me out first did I? I was merely saying that HJ has a legitimate shot this year because we have new life! New attitude! New work ethic!!!!!!!!! How is that running down another coach?????? Farmer, the HJ Hawk are going to have a better season that the #2 ranked Silsbee Tigers!!!!!! Comeaux, how many times are you gonna say yo dnt agree with the way I say things on here????? Dont be ashamed for people to know we know each other....... I'm gonna be in Vidor in about 2 hrs..... I love you man!

[Guest Air Bisquit]

[quote name="Herefortheparty" post="1410760" timestamp="1370375601"]
[quote author=Scatright link=topic=112141.msg1410688#msg1410688 date=1370367982]
[quote author=Farmer Fran link=topic=112141.msg1410681#msg1410681 date=1370367224]
[quote author=bigdog link=topic=112141.msg1410649#msg1410649 date=1370364401]
[quote author=Coach Comeaux link=topic=112141.msg1410646#msg1410646 date=1370364061]
no ... I think his passion for his hawks is unwavering.... his headbutting isn't with me.... trust me he is dug in like an Alabama mountain tick.... he has good intentions just sometimes comes across the wrong way... I have no beef with Barry... do I agree with everything he says or the way he says it? no... but do I want him banned for expressing his love for his team? no...
[/quote]

Actually he was not the one that got this one off topic, this time.  To the others that keep baiting, stay on topic and if you want to talk to herefortheparty , IM him or start your own thread.
[/quote]



But, he is the one running down a former HC and now calling out one of the former assistants.

Rule 18 of setxsports

18 ) The bashing of any particular coach, player, referee, etc will not be tolerated. This includes issues involving their personal lives, coaching/playing style or performance, past experiences, etc.

[/quote]

I just keep reminding myself that Barry is the one dragging his own name through the mud and tarnishing the program he claims to love.  He thinks he's standing up for the kids, truth is, he's just making all of us think less of that program.
[/quote]


All I said was that HJ has kids that were (in my opinion) under-utilized..... Am I not allowed to say that? I didnt ask a certain person to call me out first did I? I was merely saying that HJ has a legitimate shot this year because we have new life! New attitude! New work ethic!!!!!!!!! How is that running down another coach??????[b] Farmer, the HJ Hawk are going to have a better season that the #2 ranked Silsbee Tigers!!!!!! [/b] Comeaux, how many times are you gonna say yo dnt agree with the way I say things on here????? Dont be ashamed for people to know we know each other....... I'm gonna be in Vidor in about 2 hrs..... I love you man!
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Hey Edelmon!!! That is for another thread. ;D

That Kool Aid that you are drinking must be mixed with something else.

Just worry about trying to get 2 district wins this yr, that would be a definite improvement.  ;D ;)

[mytwocents-28]

Can we please keep this on topic. Please.

[snafu]

[quote name="Herefortheparty" post="1410760" timestamp="1370375601"]
[quote author=Scatright link=topic=112141.msg1410688#msg1410688 date=1370367982]
[quote author=Farmer Fran link=topic=112141.msg1410681#msg1410681 date=1370367224]
[quote author=bigdog link=topic=112141.msg1410649#msg1410649 date=1370364401]
[quote author=Coach Comeaux link=topic=112141.msg1410646#msg1410646 date=1370364061]
no ... I think his passion for his hawks is unwavering.... his headbutting isn't with me.... trust me he is dug in like an Alabama mountain tick.... he has good intentions just sometimes comes across the wrong way... I have no beef with Barry... do I agree with everything he says or the way he says it? no... but do I want him banned for expressing his love for his team? no...
[/quote]

Actually he was not the one that got this one off topic, this time.  To the others that keep baiting, stay on topic and if you want to talk to herefortheparty , IM him or start your own thread.
[/quote]



But, he is the one running down a former HC and now calling out one of the former assistants.

Rule 18 of setxsports

18 ) The bashing of any particular coach, player, referee, etc will not be tolerated. This includes issues involving their personal lives, coaching/playing style or performance, past experiences, etc.

[/quote]

I just keep reminding myself that Barry is the one dragging his own name through the mud and tarnishing the program he claims to love.  He thinks he's standing up for the kids, truth is, he's just making all of us think less of that program.
[/quote]


All I said was that HJ has kids that were (in my opinion) under-utilized..... Am I not allowed to say that? I didnt ask a certain person to call me out first did I? I was merely saying that HJ has a legitimate shot this year because we have new life! New attitude! New work ethic!!!!!!!!! How is that running down another coach?????? Farmer, the HJ Hawk are going to have a better season that the #2 ranked Silsbee Tigers!!!!!! [b]Comeaux, how many times are you gonna say yo dnt agree with the way I say things on here?????[/b] [b]Dont be ashamed for people to know we know each other....... [/b]I'm gonna be in Vidor in about 2 hrs..... I love you man!
[/quote]

Because sometimes the things you say.... i don't agree with....

and i have NEVER said anything to even give you one shred of thought that i was ashamed to know you.....  Just because I don't agree with what you say or how you say it, means that I am ashamed of knowing you.. LOL

and what you doing in my neck of the woods???

[AthleticSupporter - Jock]

[quote name="Coach Comeaux" post="1410744" timestamp="1370373390"]
[quote author=AthleticSupporter - Jock link=topic=112141.msg1410741#msg1410741 date=1370372980]
If we can keep this thread on topic, it's an interesting discussion.  Foreman will have a successful season.  Dubois will do a great job of quickly turning HJ football program into a contender.  And I think Haynes will have the Raiders surprise a few people.  We should define what would be considered 'the best 2013 season'.  Should it be for the coach that improves the win/loss record the most over the previous season?  Can someone list the previous records for the programs we are discussing here?
[/quote]

With all that said.... nothing about Ozen and Keeath Magee ??? there is some talent over there also....
[/quote]

Just an oversight on my part.  Ozen/Magee are definitely in the discussion.  Ozen is in second place in votes on the site from the original post.  Here are the coaches/programs that were originally talked about:

Toby Foreman, Central
Keeath Magee, Ozen
Dwayne DuBois, Hardin-Jefferson
Larry Haynes, Lumberton

If there are other 1st year coaches to add to the list, add them.  Maybe some of you stats guys can add the previous records for these programs, but only if we are grading on improvement over last years win/loss record. We might only want to look at improvement in "District" win/loss records.

[Guest Air Bisquit]

[quote name="$MTC-28$" post="1410774" timestamp="1370377008"]
Can we please keep this on topic. Please.
[/quote]
You got it M2C.

[mytwocents-28]

Records of last year.

Central: 3-7
3-4 in District

Ozen: 4-7
3-4 in District

HJ: 4-6
1-5 in District

Lumberton: 0-10
0-7 in District

[snafu]

[quote name="AthleticSupporter - Jock" post="1410776" timestamp="1370377089"]
[quote author=Coach Comeaux link=topic=112141.msg1410744#msg1410744 date=1370373390]
[quote author=AthleticSupporter - Jock link=topic=112141.msg1410741#msg1410741 date=1370372980]
If we can keep this thread on topic, it's an interesting discussion.  Foreman will have a successful season.  Dubois will do a great job of quickly turning HJ football program into a contender.  And I think Haynes will have the Raiders surprise a few people.  We should define what would be considered 'the best 2013 season'.  Should it be for the coach that improves the win/loss record the most over the previous season?  Can someone list the previous records for the programs we are discussing here?
[/quote]

With all that said.... nothing about Ozen and Keeath Magee ??? there is some talent over there also....
[/quote]

Just an oversight on my part.  Ozen/Magee are definitely in the discussion.  Ozen is in second place in votes on the site from the original post.  Here are the coaches/programs that were originally talked about:

Toby Foreman, Central                  [b]Will do great things with Central in the future... will have an above avg year this year... [/b]

Keeath Magee, Ozen                    [b]Not sure they will have more than a middle of the pack year... but as with Toby can be much better next year..[/b].

Dwayne DuBois, Hardin-Jefferson  [b]Will surprise some people but not sure they will be top of the pile.... but not far off.... [/b]

Larry Haynes, Lumberton              [b]Can only go up from last season... I don't think the improvement will be because of the coaching... I think it will lean more
                                                                  towards the attitude of the student body, parents, and community towards the coach and his direction.... [/b]

If there are other 1st year coaches to add to the list, add them.  Maybe some of you stats guys can add the previous records for these programs, but only if we are grading on improvement over last years win/loss record. We might only want to look at improvement in "District" win/loss records.
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[panther blue]

When the smoke clear, Ozen  will have one of those four playoff spots. go panthers  ;) !!

[snafu]

[quote name="panther blue" post="1410807" timestamp="1370379642"]
When the smoke clear, Ozen  will have one of those four playoff spots. go panthers  ;) !!
[/quote]

LMAO!!! you just keep smoking it... whatever it is that has you thinking that way.... ;-D and don't mind the pink elephants with the purple polka dots.... they are just there to protect you :-D

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

[quote name="panther blue" post="1410807" timestamp="1370379642"]
When the smoke clear, Ozen  will have one of those four playoff spots. go panthers  ;) !!
[/quote]in basketball?  ???

[Alpha Wolf]

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1410855" timestamp="1370389546"]
[quote author=panther blue link=topic=112141.msg1410807#msg1410807 date=1370379642]
When the smoke clear, Ozen  will have one of those four playoff spots. go panthers  ;) !!
[/quote]in basketball?  ???
[/quote]

After this year, the people in the South End will be trying to get rid of the new ball coach...

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

[quote name="Batman" post="1410900" timestamp="1370400359"]
[quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=112141.msg1410855#msg1410855 date=1370389546]
[quote author=panther blue link=topic=112141.msg1410807#msg1410807 date=1370379642]
When the smoke clear, Ozen  will have one of those four playoff spots. go panthers  ;) !!
[/quote]in basketball?  ???
[/quote]

After this year, the people in the South End will be trying to get rid of the new ball coach...
[/quote] I dont know, but i'll say this cause of what i know: There was talent in Crowley, Texas (North Crowley), way more than at Ozen.  ;)

we shall see

[mytwocents-28]

[quote name="panther blue" post="1410807" timestamp="1370379642"]
When the smoke clear, Ozen  will have one of those four playoff spots. go panthers  ;) !!
[/quote]
in 2015 maybe.

[Yeoj]

[quote name="$MTC-28$" post="1410921" timestamp="1370438020"]
[quote author=panther blue link=topic=112141.msg1410807#msg1410807 date=1370379642]
When the smoke clear, Ozen  will have one of those four playoff spots. go panthers  ;) !!
[/quote]
in 2015 maybe.
[/quote]
I don't know where all this confidence in Vidor is coming from. They're team is like a car with no engine. No Q means a lot less Ws for Vidor!

[mytwocents-28]

[quote name="Yeoj" post="1410945" timestamp="1370444344"]
[quote author=$MTC-28$ link=topic=112141.msg1410921#msg1410921 date=1370438020]
[quote author=panther blue link=topic=112141.msg1410807#msg1410807 date=1370379642]
When the smoke clear, Ozen  will have one of those four playoff spots. go panthers  ;) !!
[/quote]
in 2015 maybe.
[/quote]
I don't know where all this confidence in Vidor is coming from. They're team is like a car with no engine. No Q means a lot less Ws for Vidor!
[/quote]
Keep thinking that kid. They said the same thing after we graduated all 3 of our starting backs in 2012. We all know how that worked out.

[Yeoj]

[quote name="$MTC-28$" post="1410949" timestamp="1370445556"]
[quote author=Yeoj link=topic=112141.msg1410945#msg1410945 date=1370444344]
[quote author=$MTC-28$ link=topic=112141.msg1410921#msg1410921 date=1370438020]
[quote author=panther blue link=topic=112141.msg1410807#msg1410807 date=1370379642]
When the smoke clear, Ozen  will have one of those four playoff spots. go panthers  ;) !!
[/quote]
in 2015 maybe.
[/quote]
I don't know where all this confidence in Vidor is coming from. They're team is like a car with no engine. No Q means a lot less Ws for Vidor!
[/quote]
Keep thinking that kid. They said the same thing after we graduated all 3 of our starting backs in 2012. We all know how that worked out.
[/quote]
Nobody said that. Everyone knew Vidor would be a force with Montana! You must have pirate eye patches on both eyes if you can't see that losing your leading rusher and leading tackler is going to make Vidor less formidable. They won't be the same team as the last couple years. Oh and let's not forget that it took a onside kick and a fake punt for you guys to even beat Ozen last year. Vidor will struggle this year. They can be a playoff team but, it's not a given in any stretch of the imagination!

[snafu]

[quote name="Yeoj" post="1410950" timestamp="1370446212"]
[quote author=$MTC-28$ link=topic=112141.msg1410949#msg1410949 date=1370445556]
[quote author=Yeoj link=topic=112141.msg1410945#msg1410945 date=1370444344]
[quote author=$MTC-28$ link=topic=112141.msg1410921#msg1410921 date=1370438020]
[quote author=panther blue link=topic=112141.msg1410807#msg1410807 date=1370379642]
When the smoke clear, Ozen  will have one of those four playoff spots. go panthers  ;) !!
[/quote]
in 2015 maybe.
[/quote]
[b]I don't know where all this confidence in Vidor is coming from. They're team is like a car with no engine. No Q means a lot less Ws for Vidor![/b]
[/quote]
Keep thinking that kid. They said the same thing after we graduated all 3 of our starting backs in 2012. We all know how that worked out.
[/quote]
Nobody said that. Everyone knew Vidor would be a force with Montana! You must have pirate eye patches on both eyes if you can't see that losing your leading rusher and leading tackler is going to make Vidor less formidable. They won't be the same team as the last couple years. Oh and let's not forget that it took a onside kick and a fake punt for you guys to even beat Ozen last year. Vidor will struggle this year. They can be a playoff team but, it's not a given in any stretch of the imagination!
[/quote]

I just don't understand where you get that Vidor having confidence is a bad thing? aren't you confidence every year of your team? we understand losing Q is a huge lose... can he be replaced by 1 person? probably not... but that doesn't mean that what he done while he was here hasn't made others work harder to be like him and that the confidence hasn't spread to the community that supports the Pirates year in and year out... I think the main thing that Montana did for the Pirates was proof you don't have to be 6'3 260 lbs to be a force... Heart, Hard work and not laying down just because your told your to small, to slow and not strong enough.... his confidence and leadership has bleed throughout Pirate Nation... and I for one think we will do as well as we did last year... your right we won't have all his numbers tagged to just 1 person... but also there was 10 other young men on both sides of the football that helped him out.... and this years team will strive to keep what he has helped build going.... you can down us for being confident... But that will not waver my feeling for the upcoming season... Coming from You Yeoj I would expect more then thinking that loosing 1 man on a team can kill the entire team....

[BMTSoulja1]

2 eye patches.....  ;D ;D

[Yeoj]

[quote name="Coach Comeaux" post="1410957" timestamp="1370447095"]
[quote author=Yeoj link=topic=112141.msg1410950#msg1410950 date=1370446212]
[quote author=$MTC-28$ link=topic=112141.msg1410949#msg1410949 date=1370445556]
[quote author=Yeoj link=topic=112141.msg1410945#msg1410945 date=1370444344]
[quote author=$MTC-28$ link=topic=112141.msg1410921#msg1410921 date=1370438020]
[quote author=panther blue link=topic=112141.msg1410807#msg1410807 date=1370379642]
When the smoke clear, Ozen  will have one of those four playoff spots. go panthers  ;) !!
[/quote]
in 2015 maybe.
[/quote]
[b]I don't know where all this confidence in Vidor is coming from. They're team is like a car with no engine. No Q means a lot less Ws for Vidor![/b]
[/quote]
Keep thinking that kid. They said the same thing after we graduated all 3 of our starting backs in 2012. We all know how that worked out.
[/quote]
Nobody said that. Everyone knew Vidor would be a force with Montana! You must have pirate eye patches on both eyes if you can't see that losing your leading rusher and leading tackler is going to make Vidor less formidable. They won't be the same team as the last couple years. Oh and let's not forget that it took a onside kick and a fake punt for you guys to even beat Ozen last year. Vidor will struggle this year. They can be a playoff team but, it's not a given in any stretch of the imagination!
[/quote]

I just don't understand where you get that Vidor having confidence is a bad thing? aren't you confidence every year of your team? we understand losing Q is a huge lose... can he be replaced by 1 person? probably not... but that doesn't mean that what he done while he was here hasn't made others work harder to be like him and that the confidence hasn't spread to the community that supports the Pirates year in and year out... I think the main thing that Montana did for the Pirates was proof you don't have to be 6'3 260 lbs to be a force... Heart, Hard work and not laying down just because your told your to small, to slow and not strong enough.... his confidence and leadership has bleed throughout Pirate Nation... and I for one think we will do as well as we did last year... your right we won't have all his numbers tagged to just 1 person... but also there was 10 other young men on both sides of the football that helped him out.... and this years team will strive to keep what he has helped build going.... you can down us for being confident... But that will not waver my feeling for the upcoming season... Coming from You Yeoj I would expect more then thinking that loosing 1 man on a team can kill the entire team....
[/quote]
I'm not hating on Vidor or their fandom. But, the fact that one man did so much on both sides of the ball is proof in itself that Vidor won't be the same team as the last couple years. Am I saying that Vidor won't win and make the playoffs, of course not. But, their games will be a lot harder this year and they are in for some serious fights! Being confident is one thing, taking shots like the games are already won is another.

[snafu]

[quote name="Yeoj" post="1410965" timestamp="1370448236"]
[quote author=Coach Comeaux link=topic=112141.msg1410957#msg1410957 date=1370447095]
[quote author=Yeoj link=topic=112141.msg1410950#msg1410950 date=1370446212]
[quote author=$MTC-28$ link=topic=112141.msg1410949#msg1410949 date=1370445556]
[quote author=Yeoj link=topic=112141.msg1410945#msg1410945 date=1370444344]
[quote author=$MTC-28$ link=topic=112141.msg1410921#msg1410921 date=1370438020]
[quote author=panther blue link=topic=112141.msg1410807#msg1410807 date=1370379642]
When the smoke clear, Ozen  will have one of those four playoff spots. go panthers  ;) !!
[/quote]
in 2015 maybe.
[/quote]
[b]I don't know where all this confidence in Vidor is coming from. They're team is like a car with no engine. No Q means a lot less Ws for Vidor![/b]
[/quote]
Keep thinking that kid. They said the same thing after we graduated all 3 of our starting backs in 2012. We all know how that worked out.
[/quote]
Nobody said that. Everyone knew Vidor would be a force with Montana! You must have pirate eye patches on both eyes if you can't see that losing your leading rusher and leading tackler is going to make Vidor less formidable. They won't be the same team as the last couple years. Oh and let's not forget that it took a onside kick and a fake punt for you guys to even beat Ozen last year. Vidor will struggle this year. They can be a playoff team but, it's not a given in any stretch of the imagination!
[/quote]

I just don't understand where you get that Vidor having confidence is a bad thing? aren't you confidence every year of your team? we understand losing Q is a huge lose... can he be replaced by 1 person? probably not... but that doesn't mean that what he done while he was here hasn't made others work harder to be like him and that the confidence hasn't spread to the community that supports the Pirates year in and year out... I think the main thing that Montana did for the Pirates was proof you don't have to be 6'3 260 lbs to be a force... Heart, Hard work and not laying down just because your told your to small, to slow and not strong enough.... his confidence and leadership has bleed throughout Pirate Nation... and I for one think we will do as well as we did last year... your right we won't have all his numbers tagged to just 1 person... but also there was 10 other young men on both sides of the football that helped him out.... and this years team will strive to keep what he has helped build going.... you can down us for being confident... But that will not waver my feeling for the upcoming season... Coming from You Yeoj I would expect more then thinking that loosing 1 man on a team can kill the entire team....
[/quote]
I'm not hating on Vidor or their fandom. But, the fact that one man did so much on both sides of the ball is proof in itself that Vidor won't be the same team as the last couple years. Am I saying that Vidor won't win and make the playoffs, of course not. [b]But, their games will be a lot harder this year and they are in for some serious fights![/b] Being confident is one thing, taking shots like the games are already won is another.
[/quote]

There will be a lot of hard games won and loss this upcoming season just with addition to some good coaching to Central and Ozen... not just Vidor... Central can go from the cellar to the ceiling if they work hard enough and pick up what Coach Foreman and Staff are putting down...

[Yeoj]

[quote name="Coach Comeaux" post="1410966" timestamp="1370448453"]
[quote author=Yeoj link=topic=112141.msg1410965#msg1410965 date=1370448236]
[quote author=Coach Comeaux link=topic=112141.msg1410957#msg1410957 date=1370447095]
[quote author=Yeoj link=topic=112141.msg1410950#msg1410950 date=1370446212]
[quote author=$MTC-28$ link=topic=112141.msg1410949#msg1410949 date=1370445556]
[quote author=Yeoj link=topic=112141.msg1410945#msg1410945 date=1370444344]
[quote author=$MTC-28$ link=topic=112141.msg1410921#msg1410921 date=1370438020]
[quote author=panther blue link=topic=112141.msg1410807#msg1410807 date=1370379642]
When the smoke clear, Ozen  will have one of those four playoff spots. go panthers  ;) !!
[/quote]
in 2015 maybe.
[/quote]
[b]I don't know where all this confidence in Vidor is coming from. They're team is like a car with no engine. No Q means a lot less Ws for Vidor![/b]
[/quote]
Keep thinking that kid. They said the same thing after we graduated all 3 of our starting backs in 2012. We all know how that worked out.
[/quote]
Nobody said that. Everyone knew Vidor would be a force with Montana! You must have pirate eye patches on both eyes if you can't see that losing your leading rusher and leading tackler is going to make Vidor less formidable. They won't be the same team as the last couple years. Oh and let's not forget that it took a onside kick and a fake punt for you guys to even beat Ozen last year. Vidor will struggle this year. They can be a playoff team but, it's not a given in any stretch of the imagination!
[/quote]

I just don't understand where you get that Vidor having confidence is a bad thing? aren't you confidence every year of your team? we understand losing Q is a huge lose... can he be replaced by 1 person? probably not... but that doesn't mean that what he done while he was here hasn't made others work harder to be like him and that the confidence hasn't spread to the community that supports the Pirates year in and year out... I think the main thing that Montana did for the Pirates was proof you don't have to be 6'3 260 lbs to be a force... Heart, Hard work and not laying down just because your told your to small, to slow and not strong enough.... his confidence and leadership has bleed throughout Pirate Nation... and I for one think we will do as well as we did last year... your right we won't have all his numbers tagged to just 1 person... but also there was 10 other young men on both sides of the football that helped him out.... and this years team will strive to keep what he has helped build going.... you can down us for being confident... But that will not waver my feeling for the upcoming season... Coming from You Yeoj I would expect more then thinking that loosing 1 man on a team can kill the entire team....
[/quote]
I'm not hating on Vidor or their fandom. But, the fact that one man did so much on both sides of the ball is proof in itself that Vidor won't be the same team as the last couple years. Am I saying that Vidor won't win and make the playoffs, of course not. [b]But, their games will be a lot harder this year and they are in for some serious fights![/b] Being confident is one thing, taking shots like the games are already won is another.
[/quote]

There will be a lot of hard games won and loss this upcoming season just with addition to some good coaching to Central and Ozen... not just Vidor... Central can go from the cellar to the ceiling if they work hard enough and pick up what Coach Foreman and Staff are putting down...
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I agree. And I actually think when the dust settles the four playoff teams will be Vidor, Central, Ozen, and the winner of MCM...  That's in no particular order.  :)

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When the smoke clear, Ozen  will have one of those four playoff spots. go panthers  ;) !!
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in 2015 maybe.
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[b]I don't know where all this confidence in Vidor is coming from. They're team is like a car with no engine. No Q means a lot less Ws for Vidor![/b]
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Keep thinking that kid. They said the same thing after we graduated all 3 of our starting backs in 2012. We all know how that worked out.
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Nobody said that. Everyone knew Vidor would be a force with Montana! You must have pirate eye patches on both eyes if you can't see that losing your leading rusher and leading tackler is going to make Vidor less formidable. They won't be the same team as the last couple years. Oh and let's not forget that it took a onside kick and a fake punt for you guys to even beat Ozen last year. Vidor will struggle this year. They can be a playoff team but, it's not a given in any stretch of the imagination!
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I just don't understand where you get that Vidor having confidence is a bad thing? aren't you confidence every year of your team? we understand losing Q is a huge lose... can he be replaced by 1 person? probably not... but that doesn't mean that what he done while he was here hasn't made others work harder to be like him and that the confidence hasn't spread to the community that supports the Pirates year in and year out... I think the main thing that Montana did for the Pirates was proof you don't have to be 6'3 260 lbs to be a force... Heart, Hard work and not laying down just because your told your to small, to slow and not strong enough.... his confidence and leadership has bleed throughout Pirate Nation... and I for one think we will do as well as we did last year... your right we won't have all his numbers tagged to just 1 person... but also there was 10 other young men on both sides of the football that helped him out.... and this years team will strive to keep what he has helped build going.... you can down us for being confident... But that will not waver my feeling for the upcoming season... Coming from You Yeoj I would expect more then thinking that loosing 1 man on a team can kill the entire team....
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I'm not hating on Vidor or their fandom. But, the fact that one man did so much on both sides of the ball is proof in itself that Vidor won't be the same team as the last couple years. Am I saying that Vidor won't win and make the playoffs, of course not. [b]But, their games will be a lot harder this year and they are in for some serious fights![/b] Being confident is one thing, taking shots like the games are already won is another.
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There will be a lot of hard games won and loss this upcoming season just with addition to some good coaching to Central and Ozen... not just Vidor... Central can go from the cellar to the ceiling if they work hard enough and pick up what Coach Foreman and Staff are putting down...
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I agree. And I actually think when the dust settles the four playoff teams will be [b]Vidor, Central,[/b] Ozen, and the winner of MCM...  That's in no particular order.  :)
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I agree with them 2... Nederland and the winner of Livingston/PN-G.... I think Livingston was hurt more with the leaving of Collins then Vidor was with the Exit of Q... PN-G is still another year away from being a front runner like they are use to.... Ozen although they have talent... i believe they were further behind in structure then Central .... LC-M I really don't have a read on.... they showed signs of flash last season... but you never knew what team was going to show up.... and with Sezar gone their ground game took a HUGE hit.... so that will slow down what little passing attack they had going... Lumberton will be all about how much the kids buy into Haynes's program... and if they can get some of the hall talent back on the field...

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When the smoke clear, Ozen  will have one of those four playoff spots. go panthers  ;) !!
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in 2015 maybe.
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I don't know where all this confidence in Vidor is coming from. They're team is like a car with no engine. No Q means a lot less Ws for Vidor!
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Keep thinking that kid. They said the same thing after we graduated all 3 of our starting backs in 2012. We all know how that worked out.
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Nobody said that. Everyone knew Vidor would be a force with Montana! You must have pirate eye patches on both eyes if you can't see that losing your leading rusher and leading tackler is going to make Vidor less formidable. They won't be the same team as the last couple years. Oh and let's not forget that it took a onside kick and a fake punt for you guys to even beat Ozen last year. Vidor will struggle this year. They can be a playoff team but, it's not a given in any stretch of the imagination!
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Every team is gonna struggle this year kid. And I never said it was a given.