20-4A Thoughts

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[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1424193" timestamp="1376500362"]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=113177.msg1424167#msg1424167 date=1376497141]
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[quote author=Bigcam2903 link=topic=113177.msg1423980#msg1423980 date=1376433002]
I really think who protects the basket & rebounds best wins both games. Toe will be a man amongst boys, Ozen's guards can score and penetrate with the best. It wlll be a great Chess match. 

Go Panthers!!!
[/quote]Good analysis!
[/quote] 1. Central used their AGGRESSIVE offensive board play to get second and third shots to score.
[/quote]Plus, Central does not take many low percentage shots (referring to 3-pointers). I would guess they attempted less than 5 (combined) in the two district games we played them.
[/quote]Very true.  That's one of the things that I agree on.  Take the high percentage shot when you have length and size as your advantage...
[/quote] Yall will go to Austin based on several missed shots and having the hustle to finally put it in under the basket  ;D

[asary]

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1424196" timestamp="1376500749"]
[quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=113177.msg1424188#msg1424188 date=1376499941]
I don't remember Central shooting well against Ned, they just got rebound after rebound after rebound. Central killed Ned on the boards. Their inability to shoot well probably led to their early departure in the playoffs.
[/quote]The information that I was given from a very reliable contact is that Central was severely outcoached in that game...  Also, if I'm not mistaken, the team, Georgetown, made it pretty far in last years playoffs.  Didn't they make it to the regional simi's?
[/quote]
I think they did make it that far. Georgetown beat Central leaving them wondering how that happened. Then the next wk they beat Ned leaving us wondering how that happened. They were well coached and very disciplined. Played good defense. Georgetown proved you don't have to be the tallest or most athletic to win big games. They were VERY similar I thought to Ned with their players and coach.

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="5 on 5" post="1424188" timestamp="1376499941"]
I don't remember Central shooting well against Ned, they just got rebound after rebound after rebound. Central killed Ned on the boards. Their inability to shoot well probably led to their early departure in the playoffs.
[/quote]Hmmm, I think we might have something here...hmmmmm?

[BMTSoulja1]

[quote name="5 on 5" post="1424217" timestamp="1376502747"]
[quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=113177.msg1424196#msg1424196 date=1376500749]
[quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=113177.msg1424188#msg1424188 date=1376499941]
I don't remember Central shooting well against Ned, they just got rebound after rebound after rebound. Central killed Ned on the boards. Their inability to shoot well probably led to their early departure in the playoffs.
[/quote]The information that I was given from a very reliable contact is that Central was severely outcoached in that game...  Also, if I'm not mistaken, the team, Georgetown, made it pretty far in last years playoffs.  Didn't they make it to the regional simi's?
[/quote]
I think they did make it that far. Georgetown beat Central leaving them wondering how that happened. Then the next wk they beat Ned leaving us wondering how that happened. They were well coached and very disciplined. Played good defense. Georgetown proved you don't have to be the tallest or most athletic to win big games. They were VERY similar I thought to Ned with their players and coach.
[/quote]It's good to see that someone else was asking themself 'how that happened'.  ;D

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="5 on 5" post="1424217" timestamp="1376502747"]
[quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=113177.msg1424196#msg1424196 date=1376500749]
[quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=113177.msg1424188#msg1424188 date=1376499941]
I don't remember Central shooting well against Ned, they just got rebound after rebound after rebound. Central killed Ned on the boards. Their inability to shoot well probably led to their early departure in the playoffs.
[/quote]The information that I was given from a very reliable contact is that Central was severely outcoached in that game...  Also, if I'm not mistaken, the team, Georgetown, made it pretty far in last years playoffs.  Didn't they make it to the regional simi's?
[/quote]
I think they did make it that far. Georgetown beat Central leaving them wondering how that happened. Then the next wk they beat Ned leaving us wondering how that happened. They were well coached and very disciplined. Played good defense. Georgetown proved you don't have to be the tallest or most athletic to win big games. They were VERY similar I thought to Ned with their players and coach.
[/quote] "They were VERY similar I thought to Ned with their players and coach." God, you people getting bad as HJ..SHEEZ!!! :-\

[asary]

Whats wrong with an " undertalented" team beating teams they shouldn't because they are more disciplined and better coached? That's how Ned survives.

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="5 on 5" post="1424243" timestamp="1376508429"]
Whats wrong with an " undertalented" team beating teams they shouldn't because they are more disciplined and better coached? That's how Ned survives.
[/quote] Nothing wrong! It was fine until you attempted to put Nederland in the same sphere with Georgetown. ;D

[asary]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1424250" timestamp="1376509361"]
[quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=113177.msg1424243#msg1424243 date=1376508429]
Whats wrong with an " undertalented" team beating teams they shouldn't because they are more disciplined and better coached? That's how Ned survives.
[/quote] Nothing wrong! It was fine until you attempted to put Nederland in the same sphere with Georgetown. ;D
[/quote]
Oh ok, we'll I guess Central is not in the same sphere as Georgetown either?

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="5 on 5" post="1424252" timestamp="1376509745"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1424250#msg1424250 date=1376509361]
[quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=113177.msg1424243#msg1424243 date=1376508429]
Whats wrong with an " undertalented" team beating teams they shouldn't because they are more disciplined and better coached? That's how Ned survives.
[/quote] Nothing wrong! It was fine until you attempted to put Nederland in the same sphere with Georgetown. ;D
[/quote]
Oh ok, we'll I guess Central is not in the same sphere as Georgetown either?
[/quote]This year Central  will take it all

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1424184" timestamp="1376499708"]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=113177.msg1424167#msg1424167 date=1376497141]
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[quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=113177.msg1424116#msg1424116 date=1376486644]
[quote author=Bigcam2903 link=topic=113177.msg1423980#msg1423980 date=1376433002]
I really think who protects the basket & rebounds best wins both games. Toe will be a man amongst boys, Ozen's guards can score and penetrate with the best. It wlll be a great Chess match. 

Go Panthers!!!
[/quote]Good analysis!
[/quote] 1. Central used their AGGRESSIVE offensive board play to get second and third shots to score.
[/quote]Plus, Central does not take many low percentage shots (referring to 3-pointers). I would guess they attempted less than 5 (combined) in the two district games we played them.
[/quote]So Honest Abe,[color=red] knowing[/color] that you are such an honest person  ::) , what game plan would you use if you were the coach? And if your plan don't work, I'll see in December to further our conversation.  ;)
[/quote]How dare you question my character! ;D I would play a soft zone to force the Jags to shoot from outside, then use fundamentals and BLOCK OUT!!

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="5 on 5" post="1424217" timestamp="1376502747"]
[quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=113177.msg1424196#msg1424196 date=1376500749]
[quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=113177.msg1424188#msg1424188 date=1376499941]
I don't remember Central shooting well against Ned, they just got rebound after rebound after rebound. Central killed Ned on the boards. Their inability to shoot well probably led to their early departure in the playoffs.
[/quote]The information that I was given from a very reliable contact is that Central was severely outcoached in that game...  Also, if I'm not mistaken, the team, Georgetown, made it pretty far in last years playoffs.  Didn't they make it to the regional simi's?
[/quote]
I think they did make it that far. Georgetown beat Central leaving them wondering how that happened. Then the next wk they beat Ned leaving us wondering how that happened. They were well coached and very disciplined. Played good defense. Georgetown proved you don't have to be the tallest or most athletic to win big games. They were VERY similar I thought to Ned with their players and coach.
[/quote]They were well coached bc they had 4 assistant coaches! I think that's what made them so good.

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1424294" timestamp="1376520509"]
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[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=113177.msg1424167#msg1424167 date=1376497141]
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[quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=113177.msg1424116#msg1424116 date=1376486644]
[quote author=Bigcam2903 link=topic=113177.msg1423980#msg1423980 date=1376433002]
I really think who protects the basket & rebounds best wins both games. Toe will be a man amongst boys, Ozen's guards can score and penetrate with the best. It wlll be a great Chess match. 

Go Panthers!!!
[/quote]Good analysis!
[/quote] 1. Central used their AGGRESSIVE offensive board play to get second and third shots to score.
[/quote]Plus, Central does not take many low percentage shots (referring to 3-pointers). I would guess they attempted less than 5 (combined) in the two district games we played them.
[/quote]So Honest Abe,[color=red] knowing[/color] that you are such an honest person  ::) , what game plan would you use if you were the coach? And if your plan don't work, I'll see in December to further our conversation.  ;)
[/quote]How dare you question my character! ;D I would play a soft zone to force the Jags to shoot from outside, then use fundamentals and BLOCK OUT!!
[/quote]2-3 zone?

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1424295" timestamp="1376520799"]
[quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=113177.msg1424217#msg1424217 date=1376502747]
[quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=113177.msg1424196#msg1424196 date=1376500749]
[quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=113177.msg1424188#msg1424188 date=1376499941]
I don't remember Central shooting well against Ned, they just got rebound after rebound after rebound. Central killed Ned on the boards. Their inability to shoot well probably led to their early departure in the playoffs.
[/quote]The information that I was given from a very reliable contact is that Central was severely outcoached in that game...  Also, if I'm not mistaken, the team, Georgetown, made it pretty far in last years playoffs.  Didn't they make it to the regional simi's?
[/quote]
I think they did make it that far. Georgetown beat Central leaving them wondering how that happened. Then the next wk they beat Ned leaving us wondering how that happened. They were well coached and very disciplined. Played good defense. Georgetown proved you don't have to be the tallest or most athletic to win big games. They were VERY similar I thought to Ned with their players and coach.
[/quote]They were well coached bc they had 4 assistant coaches! I think that's what made them so good.
[/quote] ;D  :-X

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1424316" timestamp="1376525379"]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=113177.msg1424294#msg1424294 date=1376520509]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1424184#msg1424184 date=1376499708]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=113177.msg1424167#msg1424167 date=1376497141]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1424165#msg1424165 date=1376496668]
[quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=113177.msg1424116#msg1424116 date=1376486644]
[quote author=Bigcam2903 link=topic=113177.msg1423980#msg1423980 date=1376433002]
I really think who protects the basket & rebounds best wins both games. Toe will be a man amongst boys, Ozen's guards can score and penetrate with the best. It wlll be a great Chess match. 

Go Panthers!!!
[/quote]Good analysis!
[/quote] 1. Central used their AGGRESSIVE offensive board play to get second and third shots to score.
[/quote]Plus, Central does not take many low percentage shots (referring to 3-pointers). I would guess they attempted less than 5 (combined) in the two district games we played them.
[/quote]So Honest Abe,[color=red] knowing[/color] that you are such an honest person  ::) , what game plan would you use if you were the coach? And if your plan don't work, I'll see in December to further our conversation.  ;)
[/quote]How dare you question my character! ;D I would play a soft zone to force the Jags to shoot from outside, then use fundamentals and BLOCK OUT!!
[/quote]2-3 zone?
[/quote]Because of Central's size, a 2-3 SHOULD work best. But if the guards are able to penetrate it, go to a 1-2-2. However, if the kids don't rotate properly help, and block out, it could be a disaster. English rarely plays zone though. He prefers to play man.

[Bigcam2903]

There is no way Nederland should ever be able to play Central/Ozen a Man 2 Man.  Hats off to Coach English, he has those kids believing & playing well above their levels at times.  I don't expect Nederland to be within 15 pts in either game this Season vs Central.  Although that's why they play the GAME. JMO

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="Bigcam2903" post="1424343" timestamp="1376530998"]
There is no way Nederland should ever be able to play Central/Ozen a Man 2 Man.  Hats off to Coach English, he has those kids believing & playing well above their levels at times.  I don't expect Nederland to be within 15 pts in either game this Season vs Central.  Although that's why they play the GAME. JMO
[/quote]They've played a man D vs them for the past 4 years (at least). In those 4 years, Nederland is 11-7 vs Ozen and Central. Why should Nederland not be able to play man D against either Beaumont school?

15 points? When is the last time Central beat Nederland by 15? Hint: It's been at least 5 years.

[Bigcam2903]

Abe if you would have throughly read the post, that wasn't a JAB a Nederland by no means, but since you want to stick your Chest out.... I said there is no way they should be within 15pts with the caliber of players @ Central & Ozen.
Again, not a knock on Coach English at all. He truly is Amazing, but let's not kid ourselves Abe. Trying to keep the gloves on Buddy.

Mighty Bumblebees!!!!

[Yeoj]

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1424358" timestamp="1376534348"]
[quote author=Bigcam2903 link=topic=113177.msg1424343#msg1424343 date=1376530998]
There is no way Nederland should ever be able to play Central/Ozen a Man 2 Man.  Hats off to Coach English, he has those kids believing & playing well above their levels at times.  I don't expect Nederland to be within 15 pts in either game this Season vs Central.  Although that's why they play the GAME. JMO
[/quote]They've played a man D vs them for the past 4 years (at least). In those 4 years, Nederland is 11-7 vs Ozen and Central. Why should Nederland not be able to play man D against either Beaumont school?

15 points? When is the last time Central beat Nederland by 15? Hint: It's been at least 5 years.
[/quote]
Isn't Central 5-1 versus Nederland the last two seasons?

[BLUEDOVE3]

Somebody brought up the Ozen/Nederland game to me just this week. I remembered the lost but had forgotten Ozen was killing Nederland in their man to man.

[stevenash]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1424412" timestamp="1376572116"]
Somebody brought up the Ozen/Nederland game to me just this week. I remembered the lost but had forgotten Ozen was killing Nederland in their man to man.
[/quote]

Dove, I have to ask you this.  Are you saying there is an Ozen loss to Nederland that you remember but, at the same time, you recall Ozen was killing Nederland when they played man to man in that game?

[Dick Vitale]

On THAT note, the truth is that high school kids CANNOT GUARD man to man for the most part.  Smart high school coaches KNOW this and will often change up defenses in order to keep opponents guessing...I do not REALLY like zone defenses, but I TEACH them because I would never want my guys to see zones and become like "deer in headlights"...The key is to play a variety of zones, and emphasize the importance of staying aggressive while playing them and not get relaxed. If Nederland played man for 32 minutes they would not win a game...But at the same time with all of Central and Ozen's athleticism, if they played man for the entire game, they would struggle greatly as well...Pressing by some schools (i.e. Silsbee and Yates) can disguise the fact  that kids don't really guard, but if teams stay in presses too long, most of the time they will eventually get adjusted to them and they will no longer be effective or AS effective...Just my two cents.. 8)

[usedtobe]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1424424" timestamp="1376574281"]
On THAT note, the truth is that high school kids CANNOT GUARD man to man for the most part.  Smart high school coaches KNOW this and will often change up defenses in order to keep opponents guessing...I do not REALLY like zone defenses, but I TEACH them because I would never want my guys to see zones and become like "deer in headlights"...The key is to play a variety of zones, and emphasize the importance of staying aggressive while playing them and not get relaxed. If Nederland played man for 32 minutes they would not win a game...But at the same time with all of Central and Ozen's athleticism, if they played man for the entire game, they would struggle greatly as well...Pressing by some schools (i.e. Silsbee and Yates) can disguise the fact  that kids don't really guard, but if teams stay in presses too long, most of the time they will eventually get adjusted to them and they will no longer be effective or AS effective...Just my two cents.. 8)
[/quote]

It's been a while, Dickie V.  Welcome back.  This is GOOD STUFF.  You seem to have matured in your absence.  But, of this I am sure, I will disagree with you somewhere
along the line. ;D 8)

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="Bigcam2903" post="1424361" timestamp="1376535189"]
Abe if you would have throughly read the post, that wasn't a JAB a Nederland by no means, but since you want to stick your Chest out.... I said there is no way they should be within 15pts with the caliber of players @ Central & Ozen.
Again, not a knock on Coach English at all. He truly is Amazing, but let's not kid ourselves Abe. Trying to keep the gloves on Buddy.

Mighty Bumblebees!!!!
[/quote]Haha. If you knew me, you would know that I AM a fighter! I didn't see your post as knocking Coach E. I saw it as you don't think that kids in Nederland should be within 15 points of Bmt schools bc they are less talented or gifted. I did not see any supporting evidence in your post (or any from previous posts) which allude to your assessment. You have made many posts stating that the district crown is back in Bmt where it should be, etc.

Nobody acknowledged Dogs1218 question the other day with any substance. The basketball talent in Nederland is no better than it was 10, 15, 20 years ago. The reason Bmt schools use to beat Nederland by 20, 30, 40 points easily is bc the kids didn't care enough to reach their potential. Kids in Bmt played bball year round while kids in Nederland only played for 4 months of the year. During the offseason, MANY kids never picked up a basketball more than once a month. That has now changed bc the bball kids in Nederland now play year round. JMHO

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="Yeoj" post="1424380" timestamp="1376542517"]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=113177.msg1424358#msg1424358 date=1376534348]
[quote author=Bigcam2903 link=topic=113177.msg1424343#msg1424343 date=1376530998]
There is no way Nederland should ever be able to play Central/Ozen a Man 2 Man.  Hats off to Coach English, he has those kids believing & playing well above their levels at times.  I don't expect Nederland to be within 15 pts in either game this Season vs Central.  Although that's why they play the GAME. JMO
[/quote]They've played a man D vs them for the past 4 years (at least). In those 4 years, Nederland is 11-7 vs Ozen and Central. Why should Nederland not be able to play man D against either Beaumont school?

15 points? When is the last time Central beat Nederland by 15? Hint: It's been at least 5 years.
[/quote]
Isn't Central 5-1 versus Nederland the last two seasons?
[/quote][quote author=Yeoj link=topic=113177.msg1424380#msg1424380 date=1376542517]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=113177.msg1424358#msg1424358 date=1376534348]
[quote author=Bigcam2903 link=topic=113177.msg1424343#msg1424343 date=1376530998]
There is no way Nederland should ever be able to play Central/Ozen a Man 2 Man.  Hats off to Coach English, he has those kids believing & playing well above their levels at times.  I don't expect Nederland to be within 15 pts in either game this Season vs Central.  Although that's why they play the GAME. JMO
[/quote]They've played a man D vs them for the past 4 years (at least). In those 4 years, Nederland is 11-7 vs Ozen and Central. Why should Nederland not be able to play man D against either Beaumont school?

15 points? When is the last time Central beat Nederland by 15? Hint: It's been at least 5 years.
[/quote]
Isn't Central 5-1 versus Nederland the last two seasons?
[/quote]Yes. I forgot the tournament game from 2 years ago. So 11-8, not 11-7. 

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1424424" timestamp="1376574281"]
On THAT note, the truth is that high school kids CANNOT GUARD man to man for the most part.  Smart high school coaches KNOW this and will often change up defenses in order to keep opponents guessing...I do not REALLY like zone defenses, but I TEACH them because I would never want my guys to see zones and become like "deer in headlights"...The key is to play a variety of zones, and emphasize the importance of staying aggressive while playing them and not get relaxed. If Nederland played man for 32 minutes they would not win a game...But at the same time with all of Central and Ozen's athleticism, if they played man for the entire game, they would struggle greatly as well...Pressing by some schools (i.e. Silsbee and Yates) can disguise the fact  that kids don't really guard, but if teams stay in presses too long, most of the time they will eventually get adjusted to them and they will no longer be effective or AS effective...Just my two cents.. 8)
[/quote]Hmmm? I'm having flashbacks... You remind me of some coaches back in 5th Ward Houston. Taught you every darn zone in the book. How to play and defend it.....