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bigd92

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How do you guys feel about coaches who put their kids above the program? Special treatment especially when its so obvious. There are some cases where the kid is just better than the rest and is the obvious choice but there are times when the coach is really reaching. How can you explain moving a Freshman who wasn't the best player on his Jr High team to Varsity(5A) and make him your backup QB? Does this send a good message to the players and community? Im interested in what you think; maybe im off base with this.
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[quote name="bigd92" post="1426929" timestamp="1377357720"]
How do you guys feel about coaches who put their kids above the program? Special treatment especially when its so obvious. There are some cases where the kid is just better than the rest and is the obvious choice but there are times when the coach is really reaching.[b] How can you explain moving a Freshman who wasn't the best player on his Jr High team to Varsity(5A) and make him your backup QB?[/b] Does this send a good message to the players and community? Im interested in what you think; maybe im off base with this.
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My question would be, who determined he wasn't the best player on his Jr. High team? The coaching staff or the wannabe's?  ;)

But, unless the young man is the next Johnny Football or some other amazing, spectacular player, I cannot see having a 9th grader as your backup QB at the 5A level. Unless of course the pickings are very slim. ;)
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My father in law, who had been a college coach in Iowa and coached on the 5A level at Lufkin, Harlingen, and Desoto, quit coaching when his son reached high school.  In part this was so he could spend more time watching his kid and in part it was to avoid a conflict of interest.

Its a tough spot to be in and not every coach handles it properly.  Ideally, the position coaches should make the decision if the kid is the son of the head coach and vice versa.  It is a difficult situation for coach, kid, and coaching staff.

I try to always remind myself that the coaches see the game differently than fans and particularly parents.  Also remember, just because the kid is the 2 during scrimmages doesnt mean he will be in an emergency situation.  Sometimes coaches put a young kid with more upside ahead of an experienced kid with less during the preseason to see what he can do and get him experience.  But when push comes to shove in the regular season they might go with experience.
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My husband is a coach where my son attends school.  He is not his position coach in FB.  But he is harder on him, then any kid on the field.  If a kid gets special treatment, it will hurt him eventually.  Most coaches sons, are used to having to prove themselves to everyone, that they deserve to be there in the 1st place.  No matter their talent level, someone is going to always say they are only playing, starting,getting the ball because of dad or mom.  Most of these kids are athletic enough to earn that spot and respect. 

It is unfair for those who get positions because of the parent, but it happens in life,  life is unfair at times.  It should make you,work harder so you cannot be ignored. 
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[quote name="bigd92" post="1426929" timestamp="1377357720"]
How do you guys feel about coaches who put their kids above the program? Special treatment especially when its so obvious. There are some cases where the kid is just better than the rest and is the obvious choice but there are times when the coach is really reaching. How can you explain moving a Freshman who wasn't the best player on his Jr High team to Varsity(5A) and make him your backup QB? Does this send a good message to the players and community? Im interested in what you think; maybe im off base with this.
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Sounds like you have a beef with someone.
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It has worked well for PN-G when a coach/son tandem came through The Reservation:

Bum Phillips/Wade Phillips 1965
Doug Ethridge/Richy Ethridge 1975-1976 [State Championship in '75 and Semi-Finals in '76]
Mike Long/Dustin Long 1997-1999 [Bi-District or Area Round in '98 and State Finalist in '99]
Matt Burnett/Clint Burnett [the year escapes me, but they made a playoff run and great father/son memories]

I'm ready for Coach Faircloth to guide his son through our program.

Across the tracks over at the other school, the Spell and Barrow families had some success.  TJ-ex Todd Dodge did well with his son, Riley.  Art and Kendall Briles at Stephenville.  The Detmer family.  Joe, Kenny, and Little Joe Washington had success at PA Lincoln.  Coach Willie Ray Smith, Bubba and Tody Smith were the kings of Beaumont football during the 1960s.

Coaching your son can be done.  I haven't walked in those shoes, but it seems to me they all have a strong family bond that will last forever, with or without football.  All of those coaches were damn good, too...disciplined men who built or were part of great programs.
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[quote name="1989NDN" post="1427755" timestamp="1377490752"]
It has worked well for PN-G when a coach/son tandem came through The Reservation:

Bum Phillips/Wade Phillips 1965
Doug Ethridge/Richy Ethridge 1975-1976 [State Championship in '75 and Semi-Finals in '76]
Mike Long/Dustin Long 1997-1999 [Bi-District or Area Round in '98 and State Finalist in '99]
Matt Burnett/Clint Burnett [the year escapes me, but they made a playoff run and great father/son memories]

I'm ready for Coach Faircloth to guide his son through our program.

Across the tracks over at the other school, the Spell and Barrow families had some success.  TJ-ex Todd Dodge did well with his son, Riley.  Art and Kendall Briles at Stephenville.  The Detmer family.  Joe, Kenny, and Little Joe Washington had success at PA Lincoln.  Coach Willie Ray Smith, Bubba and Tody Smith were the kings of Beaumont football during the 1960s.

Coaching your son can be done.  I haven't walked in those shoes, but it seems to me they all have a strong family bond that will last forever, with or without football.  All of those coaches were damn good, too...disciplined men who built or were part of great programs.
[/quote]BIGd92  did say in some cases......  ;)  Really, about all you can do is tell your kid to keep playing hard. In the long run, the true talent will rise to the top. Use these situations to motivate yourself as a parent and student-athlete on & off the field.
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I worked for an AD who told us as Jr. High coaches that he would try his best to not interfere with our coaching of his son.  He was upfront with his only admitted interference.  Told us that if we put his son at QB, we were fired because otherwise he would probably be the next one fired!  Great guy, and his only complaint about our coaching was that we weren't on his kid's tail hard enough!!  ;D
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[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1427778" timestamp="1377521369"]
[quote author=1989NDN link=topic=113521.msg1427755#msg1427755 date=1377490752]
It has worked well for PN-G when a coach/son tandem came through The Reservation:

Bum Phillips/Wade Phillips 1965
Doug Ethridge/Richy Ethridge 1975-1976 [State Championship in '75 and Semi-Finals in '76]
Mike Long/Dustin Long 1997-1999 [Bi-District or Area Round in '98 and State Finalist in '99]
Matt Burnett/Clint Burnett [the year escapes me, but they made a playoff run and great father/son memories]

I'm ready for Coach Faircloth to guide his son through our program.

Across the tracks over at the other school, the Spell and Barrow families had some success.  TJ-ex Todd Dodge did well with his son, Riley.  Art and Kendall Briles at Stephenville.  The Detmer family.  Joe, Kenny, and Little Joe Washington had success at PA Lincoln.  Coach Willie Ray Smith, Bubba and Tody Smith were the kings of Beaumont football during the 1960s.

Coaching your son can be done.  I haven't walked in those shoes, but it seems to me they all have a strong family bond that will last forever, with or without football.  All of those coaches were damn good, too...disciplined men who built or were part of great programs.
[/quote]BIGd92  did say in some cases......  ;)  Really, about all you can do is tell your kid to keep playing hard. In the long run, the true talent will rise to the top. Use these situations to motivate yourself as a parent and student-athlete on & off the field.
[/quote] I know it was a different sport but the Stones were also a good father son team.
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[quote name="lionbaseball" post="1428022" timestamp="1377548234"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113521.msg1427778#msg1427778 date=1377521369]
[quote author=1989NDN link=topic=113521.msg1427755#msg1427755 date=1377490752]
It has worked well for PN-G when a coach/son tandem came through The Reservation:

Bum Phillips/Wade Phillips 1965
Doug Ethridge/Richy Ethridge 1975-1976 [State Championship in '75 and Semi-Finals in '76]
Mike Long/Dustin Long 1997-1999 [Bi-District or Area Round in '98 and State Finalist in '99]
Matt Burnett/Clint Burnett [the year escapes me, but they made a playoff run and great father/son memories]

I'm ready for Coach Faircloth to guide his son through our program.

Across the tracks over at the other school, the Spell and Barrow families had some success.  TJ-ex Todd Dodge did well with his son, Riley.  Art and Kendall Briles at Stephenville.  The Detmer family.  Joe, Kenny, and Little Joe Washington had success at PA Lincoln.  Coach Willie Ray Smith, Bubba and Tody Smith were the kings of Beaumont football during the 1960s.

Coaching your son can be done.  I haven't walked in those shoes, but it seems to me they all have a strong family bond that will last forever, with or without football.  All of those coaches were damn good, too...disciplined men who built or were part of great programs.
[/quote]BIGd92  did say in some cases......  ;)  Really, about all you can do is tell your kid to keep playing hard. In the long run, the true talent will rise to the top. Use these situations to motivate yourself as a parent and student-athlete on & off the field.
[/quote] I know it was a different sport but the Stones were also a good father son team.
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I really do think most of the time father son combinations work and are more successful than not. As coach first you have to do what is best for your team and as a father you will have a lot of confidence in your kid, you will know where that kid fit more than any other kid and that kid will understand you better than any other kid. It's about being fair to all kids. I have this experience youth sports with two sons. My coach/ pupil relationship wasn't as a great with my oldest son as it was with my youngest. My youngest son and I won youth championships in all three major sports. I never had problems with other parents complaining about him. They only complained when I didn't have him pitch, call plays in football that got him the ball or benched him in basketball. As a coach… If you are not playing the best kids in the bedt way to help the team you coach shame on you.
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