Amphibious Rodent Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 There is ups and downs to Obama care. If you can only see one side of the equation your not being honest with yourself. You should look for the up sides, and also the down sides. Do some extensive research, don't look at any situation from strictly your political stance, or even your personal stance. Of course that's hard to do. Everyone wants what benefits them the most. As opposed to what may benefit the country the most, or the people in need the most. I'm kinda changing my political stance, not Republican or Democrat, more American. Looking more towards government accountability. Kinda like to see our government take care of the needs of Americans first and foremost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenash Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 If you make the individual less personally responsible and the government more responsible ( aka nanny state) the country cannot survive financially. AS for government accountability, there is little if any. If you work for Federal Express, you have a responsibility and incentive to do things in the most efficient and economical way possible. If you work for the U.S. Post office, you have no incentive to do those things as profits do not matter. The spending culture at federal agencies is out of hand. DO you remember the pics of the guy in the hot tub in Vegas who was there for a General Accounting Office " conference"? ( even though during his initial campaign, Obama lambasted people who were taking vacations at their own in expense in Vegas). You might want to ask the people of Greece how "the government taking care of everybody" is working out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amphibious Rodent Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 If you make the individual less personally responsible and the government more responsible ( aka nanny state) the country cannot survive financially. AS for government accountability, there is little if any. If you work for Federal Express, you have a responsibility and incentive to do things in the most efficient and economical way possible. If you work for the U.S. Post office, you have no incentive to do those things as profits do not matter. The spending culture at federal agencies is out of hand. DO you remember the pics of the guy in the hot tub in Vegas who was there for a General Accounting Office " conference"? ( even though during his initial campaign, Obama lambasted people who were taking vacations at their own in expense in Vegas). You might want to ask the people of Greece how "the government taking care of everybody" is working out. I agree. But I believe we have uncountable representation on both sides of the political spectrum. The American people need to demand accountability. Not just talk. We may have good conversation here. But no one is listening that can make a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenash Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 The government is the worst business manager ever created and has proven it time and time again. Therefore, we need less government instead of more. Amphibious Rodent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LumRaiderFan Posted May 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 The government is the worst business manager ever created and has proven it time and time again. Therefore, we need less government instead of more. Agree...and there are still folks who want them running our Healthcare system...smh. And did you know my insurance went up...heard about it on Fox news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smitty Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 Agree...and there are still folks who want them running our Healthcare system...smh. And did you know my insurance went up...heard about it on Fox news. LOL!! You are right! They were so inept that couldn't even get the web site up and running correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 If you ever doubt how bad they are at business just stop by your local post office! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LumRaiderFan Posted May 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 LOL!! You are right! They were so inept that couldn't even get the web site up and running correctly. I never understand why so many want the gov to do so much for them in their everyday lives...things they should be taking care of themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Only reason is because he is Obama! If a white man were in office either rep. or dem. the revs would be in the streets protesting lack of jobs and 11% unemployment for blacks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMFAM10 Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Again because he's black huh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenash Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Pamfam10- You have repeatedly made mention of the Presidents skin color. Why is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5GallonBucket Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 because some think racism is a one way track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Here we go. Back on race again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LumRaiderFan Posted May 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 http://blog.heritage.org/2014/05/05/9-obamacare-predictions-come-true/?utm_source=heritagefoundation&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=morningbell 5GallonBucket 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 BG - Most insurance costs did go up. It's probable that your insurance went up too but your employer covered the increased cost. If the primary benefit of Obama care is affordable insurance to those that can't afford it why must Obama care control the insurance of every American citizen? 5GallonBucket 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5GallonBucket Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 great question mat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LumRaiderFan Posted May 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 BG - Most insurance costs did go up. It's probable that your insurance went up too but your employer covered the increased cost. If the primary benefit of Obama care is affordable insurance to those that can't afford it why must Obama care control the insurance of every American citizen? There's your answer in a word. Control=dependence=votes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMFAM10 Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Pamfam10- You have repeatedly made mention of the Presidents skin color. Why is that? Nice try but 77 post clearly stated it be different if the president was white. So I asked the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big girl Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 I know a lot of people who are not. Are you saying that your insurance premiums have always been the same price for the last 10 years, or however long you have been employed, and have suddenly increased dramatically recentl?. Increasing premiums are not a new thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big girl Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 If the president were not black, he would not have to deal with these absurd accusations. If someone says that they don't like the president and I ask them what ideologies they disagree with and they don't know, then that is a problem. It makes me wonder. If they tell me some ridiculous crap that they heard on Fox news, I think that they are incredibly stupid or they are a racist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big girl Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Like the president is sending drones to take our guns.....lmbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Glad you brought up the drones me personally I'am for killing terrorist by any means possible but Bush was chastised by the left and the media and Barry has only escalated it, strange how that works! Dont think he is sending drones to take guns but he is for sure trying to enact laws that will do it for him! P.S. dont forget fast & furious! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big girl Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 He cant write laws. Congress does that. I am unclear as to what you mean.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 He dont write them but the one thing he has done on a regular basis is just enforce the ones him and his thuggish admin. want too! Not suppose to do that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big girl Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Who is writing those laws that he is thuggishly enforcing? I think you are confused as to how the process works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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