Obamacare

[stevenash]

That "same crap" is pretty important to the success or failure of our country.  Sixburgh, what topics do you think are more important?  If you have some, bring them up .  If they are interesting enough, I am sure people will ignore Smitty and me and jump all over the topics that you feel are important.

[smitty]

cant believe smitty and nash are still arguing the same crap since the last time I was on here, but with new opponents like big girl and new tobie.

Being a Constitutionalists is crap? 

[BLUEDOVE3]

Obamacare is a great modern example of why any form of socialism and many liberalism ideas do not work. It depends on going against human nature.

Obamacare is working sir, no matter how much you and your cohorts twist it around. In fact, all you naysayers were dooming and glooming whining about Obamacare. 

[smitty]

Obamacare is working sir, no matter how much you and your cohorts twist it around. In fact, all you naysayers were dooming and glooming whining about Obamacare. 

Working?  Really?  Just curious:  What are you basing your observation on?

[westend1]

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/even-gop-consumers-are-satisfied-obamacare

[stevenash]

We are not going to know for a while how Obamacare is working.  Additionally, Westend and Bluedove, if you accept those polls to which you refer, there is no doubt you will also accept the latest polls on the efficiency and competency of the President?  Of does one get to pick and choose which polls he thinks reflect things accurately?  In last months job report, everyone jumped up and down about the 288,000 increase in jobs.  It broke down into two components:  800,000 new part times jobs and 523000 LOST full time jobs.  You can attribute much of that to Obamacare.  If this trend continues, you will then be crediting Obama for the improved healthcare and probably blaming Bush or the Tsunami or a video for the loss of full time jobs.  The VA is a great example of government run healthcare. 

[CraigS]

But the cool aid drinkers will still say..........it's been a success....lmao

 

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-misses-its-target-uninsured-half_796636.html

[LumRaiderFan]

But the cool aid drinkers will still say..........it's been a success....lmao

 

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-misses-its-target-uninsured-half_796636.html

 

Perfect reason that the fed gov should manage very little...too big to effectively and efficiently manage, control or deter corruption.

[new tobie]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/17/opinion/kohn-gop-attacks-obama/index.html?iid=article_sidebar  typical

[stevenash]

Yep- Sally Kohn certainly does not have an agenda to push

[CraigS]

Getting better one step at a time.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/22/federal-appeals-court-invalidates-some-obamacare-subsidies-in-blow-to-health/

[LumRaiderFan]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/22/federal-appeals-court-invalidates-some-obamacare-subsidies-in-blow-to-health/

 

From the article:

 

In the case, the plaintiff claimed the Obama administration – in particular, the Internal Revenue Service -- is breaking the law by offering tax subsidies in all 50 states to offset the cost of health insurance. The suit maintains that the language in ObamaCare actually restricts subsidies to state-run exchanges -- of which there are only 14 -- and does not authorize them to be given in the 36 states that use the federally run system, commonly known as HealthCare.gov. 

[LumRaiderFan]

My bad Craig S...saw you posted same article.

 

Oh well, it deserves to be read twice,.

[new tobie]

just in..http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/07/30/more-good-obamacare-news-highlights-why-gop-alternative-will-never-materalize/

[thetragichippy]

just in..http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/07/30/more-good-obamacare-news-highlights-why-gop-alternative-will-never-materalize/

 

The writer of the opinion

 

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Paul_Waldman

[LumRaiderFan]

http://dailysignal.com/2014/11/09/caught-camera-obamacare-architect-admits-deceiving-americans-pass-law/?utm_source=heritagefoundation&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dailydigest&mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRokvqjBZKXonjHpfsX56O0tXaG%2FlMI%2F0ER3fOvrPUfGjI4CSsdgI%2BSLDwEYGJlv6SgFQrLBMa1ozrgOWxU%3D

[Big girl]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/22/federal-appeals-court-invalidates-some-obamacare-subsidies-in-blow-to-health/

From the article:

[font='Helvetica Neue']In the case, the plaintiff claimed the Obama administration – in particular, the Internal Revenue Service -- is breaking the law by offering tax subsidies in all 50 states to offset the cost of health insurance. The suit maintains that the language in ObamaCare actually restricts subsidies to state-run exchanges -- of which there are only 14 -- and does not authorize them to be given in the 36 states that use the federally run system, commonly known as HealthCare.gov. [/font]

that is a lie told by faux news.

[bullets13]

sippin' on koolaid juice, with her mind on Obama and Obama on her mind1

[Big girl]

sippin' on koolaid juice, with her mind on Obama and Obama on her mind1

heck yeah. I am just cooling.

[77]

http://www.tpnn.com/2014/11/10/obamacare-architect-lack-of-transparency-and-stupid-american-voter-were-keys-to-ramming-through-obamacare/

[Big girl]

Tppn.com, really?

[stevenash]

And what is it that you read in the article that is untrue?

[LumRaiderFan]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/15/205m-obamacare-system-life-support/

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

@msnbc: Obamacare critic gets sick, changes his mind: http://on.msnbc.com/1GpezUj (Getty) http://twitter.com/msnbc/status/601049927872061440/photo/1

[tvc184]

@msnbc: Obamacare critic gets sick, changes his mind: http://on.msnbc.com/1GpezUj (Getty) http://twitter.com/msnbc/status/601049927872061440/photo/1

 

This has almost nothing to do with Obamacare other than another person that wants someone else to pay for his benefits.

 

Reading the story, he had no insurance. He simply took the risk of not getting sick. A friend persuaded him to get insurance. He did so under a state exchange. He could have gotten any company but he chose to live insurance free. Had he had almost any insurance, he would have likely gotten the same care, possibly better. 

 

This is obviously a great case for MSNBC but they harp on Obamacare like it saved this guy's life but in truth his friend that persuaded him to actually get health care and to go see a doctor is what saved his life, not the US government.