bullets13 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Report Posted March 18, 2014 the thing about "reaching for something", is there's no way to prove whether he actually did, or if the father just said that to justify what he did. Mr. Buddy Garrity 1 Quote
Bigdog Posted March 18, 2014 Report Posted March 18, 2014 the thing about "reaching for something", is there's no way to prove whether he actually did, or if the father just said that to justify what he did. Not unless the daughter testifies. But if he had waited and the kid did come up with a weapon, then what? Mr. Buddy Garrity 1 Quote
bullets13 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Report Posted March 18, 2014 Not unless the daughter testifies. But if he had waited and the kid did come up with a weapon, then what? I'm not saying he was wrong or wasn't. I'm just saying that particular argument is unprovable either way. Quote
tvc184 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Posted March 18, 2014 in my statement if you didn't notice at the beginning i said "this is off topic" and then at the end i said "as far as this story goes" no where did i say i would kill my daughter's boyfriend. I ll take my chances firing my weapon to protect my "home" and surviving then possibly dying or a family member dying. also take my chances in court and hope a jury will prove my innocence. Someone entering my home without invite(by force) is the criminal whose needing punishment. to answer your question.....he seemed like an angry father not a father protecting his home And in my statement you didn't notice that I didn't say that you said what you would do. In my statement I said "someone". I also did not quote anyone whether it be you or anyone else and simply made a blanket statement after reading many (hundreds) of comments on different forums. I also mentioned "not this forum" on reading hundreds of comments. :D NEXT............... Quote
Amphibious Rodent Posted March 19, 2014 Report Posted March 19, 2014 the thing about "reaching for something", is there's no way to prove whether he actually did, or if the father just said that to justify what he did. Their is no one to refute his testimony other than his daughter. Or if he makes additional statements they may contradict his previous statement. I haven't seen anything on this story other that the link on this forum. But if there is no witnesses and no other circumstantial evidence, seems to me, as say, a potential juror, the guy walks. Can't read his mind. I'm strictly making my call from the one news story I've read. Bad situation to be in for the young man. Coincidentally, I was in a similar situation as and adolescent. I felt the compression of the gun fire close to my head. Fortunately for me I wasn't hit. I didn't report the incident, and have laughed about it ever since. However it could have went the same way as for this kid. I never was mad at the old man for shooting at me, I was guilty as charged. Quote
tvc184 Posted March 19, 2014 Report Posted March 19, 2014 Their is no one to refute his testimony other than his daughter. Or if he makes additional statements they may contradict his previous statement. I haven't seen anything on this story other that the link on this forum. But if there is no witnesses and no other circumstantial evidence, seems to me, as say, a potential juror, the guy walks. Can't read his mind. I'm strictly making my call from the one news story I've read. Bad situation to be in for the young man. Coincidentally, I was in a similar situation as and adolescent. I felt the compression of the gun fire close to my head. Fortunately for me I wasn't hit. I didn't report the incident, and have laughed about it ever since. However it could have went the same way as for this kid. I never was mad at the old man for shooting at me, I was guilty as charged. Guilty of what, having a girlfriend? Quote
Amphibious Rodent Posted March 19, 2014 Report Posted March 19, 2014 Guilty of what, having a girlfriend? as of now, for as I know, no charges has been filed. Apparently someone thinks the father was justified based on current information. And that could mean, end of story Quote
Amphibious Rodent Posted March 19, 2014 Report Posted March 19, 2014 FYI if you sneak a girl out of her house and you get caught, or caught in her bed. It may cost you your life. That means you made a real bad decision. Average American or jury will agree with father. Most likely that's the case here. Don't know if you have a daughter or sister, but Im kinda really sensitive about other people touching them in that manner. Truthfully most fathers are, you may be and exception. And we couldn't care less about the law or the punishment. And like I said, most jurrors will be lenient on the father. IMO Quote
jv_coach Posted March 19, 2014 Report Posted March 19, 2014 If you go into another mans house without his permission and have sex with his daughter one should expect to get shot. Amphibious Rodent and Mr. Buddy Garrity 2 Quote
tvc184 Posted March 19, 2014 Report Posted March 19, 2014 FYI if you sneak a girl out of her house and you get caught, or caught in her bed. It may cost you your life. That means you made a real bad decision. Average American or jury will agree with father. Most likely that's the case here. Don't know if you have a daughter or sister, but Im kinda really sensitive about other people touching them in that manner. Truthfully most fathers are, you may be and exception. And we couldn't care less about the law or the punishment. And like I said, most jurrors will be lenient on the father. IMO So you are saying that most Americans would agree that killing a 17 year old that did nothing illegal? If not it sure appears that is what you are saying. Quote
tvc184 Posted March 19, 2014 Report Posted March 19, 2014 If you go into another mans house without his permission and have sex with his daughter one should expect to get shot. And anyone shooting his daughter's boyfriend should expect to go to jail for murder. Not liking someone is not justified grounds for homicide. Mr. Buddy Garrity 1 Quote
Peppermint Patty Posted March 19, 2014 Report Posted March 19, 2014 Don't come into my house at 2:30 in the morning, without my permission, and expect some pleasantries. The dad claims the daughter said she did not know the young man. Game over. Mr. Buddy Garrity 1 Quote
Peppermint Patty Posted March 19, 2014 Report Posted March 19, 2014 So you are saying that most Americans would agree that killing a 17 year old that did nothing illegal? If not it sure appears that is what you are saying. Statutory rape is quite illegal. Not punishable by death, but illegal none the less. Quote
westend1 Posted March 19, 2014 Report Posted March 19, 2014 Statutory rape is quite illegal. Not punishable by death, but illegal none the less. This is not a case of statutory rape.. Quote
tvc184 Posted March 20, 2014 Report Posted March 20, 2014 Statutory rape is quite illegal. Not punishable by death, but illegal none the less. And it is a good thing that statutory rape did not happen in this case nor could have happened. Quote
tvc184 Posted March 20, 2014 Report Posted March 20, 2014 This is not a case of statutory rape.. ..and I replied before I saw your post. Quote
Peppermint Patty Posted March 20, 2014 Report Posted March 20, 2014 And it is a good thing that statutory rape did not happen in this case nor could have happened. Ok. What did I miss? Was the girl over the age of consent? Quote
tvc184 Posted March 20, 2014 Report Posted March 20, 2014 Ok. What did I miss? Was the girl over the age of consent? 14 is the minimum age of consent. There could be no statutory rape (called Sexual Assault in TX). Quote
jv_coach Posted March 20, 2014 Report Posted March 20, 2014 And anyone shooting his daughter's boyfriend should expect to go to jail for murder. Not liking someone is not justified grounds for homicide. . Sneaking into somebodies house is grounds for justifiable homicide. Quote
tvc184 Posted March 20, 2014 Report Posted March 20, 2014 Sneaking into somebodies house is grounds for justifiable homicide. No, it isn't. If you believe that is the law then you need to brush up on it. Quote
westend1 Posted March 20, 2014 Report Posted March 20, 2014 In Texas, if you are within a couple of years of the girls age, then it is not rape. Age of consent doesn't matter. Quote
Peppermint Patty Posted March 20, 2014 Report Posted March 20, 2014 14 is the minimum age of consent. There could be no statutory rape (called Sexual Assault in TX). Ok. Insert "sexual assault" in place of "statutory rape". Either one is a criminal act. Quote
tvc184 Posted March 20, 2014 Report Posted March 20, 2014 Ok. Insert "sexual assault" in place of "statutory rape". Either one is a criminal act. Maybe you missed the point. This could not have been statutory rape or any rape/sexual assault by age. Simply put, this 16 year old girl could have consented to sex with this kid and it is no more of a crime than the married parents having consent sex. I was only pointing out that the term of statutory rape no longer appears in TX law but even if it did, this was not it. This kid that was killed committed no crime. Quote
Peppermint Patty Posted March 20, 2014 Report Posted March 20, 2014 Maybe you missed the point. This could not have been statutory rape or any rape/sexual assault by age. Simply put, this 16 year old girl could have consented to sex with this kid and it is no more of a crime than the married parents having consent sex. I was only pointing out that the term of statutory rape no longer appears in TX law but even if it did, this was not it. This kid that was killed committed no crime. It is my understanding that the Romeo and Juliet Law only prevents the minor from being labled a "sex offender". It does not make the act "legal". I could be wrong. Quote
tvc184 Posted March 20, 2014 Report Posted March 20, 2014 It is my understanding that the Romeo and Juliet Law only prevents the minor from being labled a "sex offender". It does not make the act "legal". I could be wrong. Could be? Not even in the same ballpark. Quote
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