LumRaiderFan Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/matt-vespa/feds-seize-ranchers-cattle-taser-son-protect-desert-tortoise-grazing From the article: Officials say Bundy and his son are illegally running cattle in the 500,000-acre Gold Butte area, a habitat of the protected desert tortoise. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/25/desert-tortoise_n_3813133.html From the article: Federal funds are running out at the Desert Tortoise Conservation Center and officials plan to close the site and euthanize hundreds of the tortoises they've been caring for since the animals were added to the endangered species list in 1990. Quote
westend1 Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 The Gold Butte area is an expanse of highly scenic, wild Mojave desert wedged in between the towns of Mesquite and Bunkerville, Nevada, the Grand Canyon Parashant National Monument, and the north shore of Lake Mead. It's important habitat for some of the most northerly populations of the Federally Threatened desert tortoise. "From the standpoint of wildlife, the springs and riparian areas in Gold Butte are vital," said John Hiatt, Red Rock Audubon's conservation chairman. "The most immediate result of the removal of the trespass cattle will be the recovery of the vegetation around these water sources which will benefit all wildlife species." "Mr. Bundy has long falsely believed that Gold Butte is his ranch," added friends of Sloan Canyon's president Terri Robertson. "We all know that is not the reality, and it is time for him for obey the law." According to Nevada conservationists, a number of attempts to revegetate habitat in the Gold Butte area have been destroyed by the trespass cattle. In 1998, five years after Bundy began to refuse to pay his publicly subsidized grazing fees in 1993, the BLM finally revoked his grazing permit for failure to pay those fees. Clark County then bought out that permit for $375,000 and retired them permanently to protect the desert tortoise under the Clark County Multiple Species Habitat Conservation Plan. Of interesting note, other ranchers in the area don't support the guy because he refuses to pay a nominal grazing fee. He claims the land is not owned by the government. Quote
LumRaiderFan Posted April 14, 2014 Author Report Posted April 14, 2014 Not sure what your point is...mine was that the fed gov was supposedly all about protecting the "endangered" desert tortoise, at the same time making plans to euthanize them. From your post: According to Nevada conservationists, a number of attempts to revegetate habitat in the Gold Butte area have been destroyed by the trespass cattle. :rolleyes: Right...if the cattle are so destructive, how have they managed to graze this land for 100 years? Ranchers are excellent conservationists for the most part, if not, they put themselves out of business. Quote
westend1 Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 My point was that this guy was given multiple opportunities to exercise grazing rights and he refused. But, now it's convenient to blame his problems on the turtles. And, the article seems to indicate that it's not only turtles who will benefit. Somehow, that got left out of your article. You don't believe that cattle can destroy desert habitat? Quote
LumRaiderFan Posted April 14, 2014 Author Report Posted April 14, 2014 My point was that this guy was given multiple opportunities to exercise grazing rights and he refused. But, now it's convenient to blame his problems on the turtles. And, the article seems to indicate that it's not only turtles who will benefit. Somehow, that got left out of your article. You don't believe that cattle can destroy desert habitat? Yes I do, but properly managed, can actually improve habitat...many ranchers are employing the "one herd" grazing practice that improves habitat and native grass species. Another problem I have with this is why is the fed gov managing what should be state land? (i know this won't change...just one more place they shouldn't be) Quote
smitty Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/matt-vespa/feds-seize-ranchers-cattle-taser-son-protect-desert-tortoise-grazing From the article: Officials say Bundy and his son are illegally running cattle in the 500,000-acre Gold Butte area, a habitat of the protected desert tortoise. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/25/desert-tortoise_n_3813133.html From the article: Federal funds are running out at the Desert Tortoise Conservation Center and officials plan to close the site and euthanize hundreds of the tortoises they've been caring for since the animals were added to the endangered species list in 1990. Number one: This has Harry Reid's fingerprints all over it. They are just using this "tortoise" thing as a ruse. Number two: The federal government owns the majority of the land in Nevada. Why? The first 100 days of a Republican admistration should be to sell 80-90% of that land for private ownership. Quote
bullets13 Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 why would the guy bother properly managing this land when it's not his property? and this is the most ridiculous thing seeing all the conservatives and all of the conservative propaganda machines making this guy out to be anything less than a nutter. by reading the headlines, conservatives get exactly what they want... another "example" of the government abusing the private citizen. the truth, of course, is that he has let his cattle run free for decades on government land, where they have adversely affected the entire habitat, not just tortoises. Quote
bullets13 Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 Number one: This has Harry Reid's fingerprints all over it. They are just using this "tortoise" thing as a ruse. Number two: The federal government owns the majority of the land in Nevada. Why? The first 100 days of a Republican admistration should be to sell 80-90% of that land for private ownship. number 3: who cares if it's the private citizen's fault? if he's a republican, blame the democratic government!!! Quote
smitty Posted April 14, 2014 Report Posted April 14, 2014 number 3: who cares if it's the private citizen's fault? if he's a republican, blame the democratic government!!! Number 4: Would you agree that if the government did not own this land then they could not abuse this American citizen? Talking here about the grazing fees. The tortoise situation is a joke. Harry Reid's son wanted this land... Quote
LumRaiderFan Posted April 14, 2014 Author Report Posted April 14, 2014 why would the guy bother properly managing this land when it's not his property? and this is the most ridiculous thing seeing all the conservatives and all of the conservative propaganda machines making this guy out to be anything less than a nutter. by reading the headlines, conservatives get exactly what they want... another "example" of the government abusing the private citizen. the truth, of course, is that he has let his cattle run free for decades on government land, where they have adversely affected the entire habitat, not just tortoises. How do you know that is the truth...if they had not been managing the land, they wouldn't have lasted 100 years. You buy the tree hugger statements at face value when the evidence points otherwise. This land has obviously been managed...the fed gov is ticked off because he isn't paying their grazing rights. Quote
77 Posted April 15, 2014 Report Posted April 15, 2014 Drug lords and terrorist walk freely back and forth across our southern borders and Obama and his goons want to go after the white guy with some cows! Go figure! Quote
smitty Posted April 15, 2014 Report Posted April 15, 2014 Interesting read concerning this subject! http://benswann.com/lofti-who-actually-owns-americas-land-a-deeper-look-at-the-bundy-ranch-crisis/#ixzz2ymLdGQqf Quote
smitty Posted April 16, 2014 Report Posted April 16, 2014 Interesting stuff concerning the Nevada situation... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HFiosLqjoQQ Quote
smitty Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 Another good video concerning this situation... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dtEVg8KNgBA Quote
smitty Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 MORE on this subject! http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/clintonobama-cronies-behind-bundy-showdown/ Quote
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