US-Russian Tensions Escalate Amid Ukraine Crisis

[PN-G bamatex]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/14/russian-fighter-jet-buzzes-us-navy-destroyer-black/

[LumRaiderFan]

Hmmm...not smart!

[NorthoftheBorder]

Putin is on the move and I do not see anyone stopping him!!

[rolltides]

No one won't stop Putin and he knows it. Russia knows Obama does not have the stomach for war and Kerry is a joke. It is a sad time in this country that we are no longer feared. If we don't stand up now we can forget it enemies like China, North Korea, and Iran will get even more bolder. That will spell disaster for this country. So I hope people in this country wake up and realize that this is bad for America.

[NorthoftheBorder]

No one won't stop Putin and he knows it. Russia knows Obama does not have the stomach for war and Kerry is a joke. It is a sad time in this country that we are no longer feared. If we don't stand up now we can forget it enemies like China, North Korea, and Iran will get even more bolder. That will spell disaster for this country. So I hope people in this country wake up and realize that this is bad for America.

Maybe this has been the plan since 2008!!!

[77]

The sheeple believe what ever the state run media feeds them!

[jv_coach]

Putin invaded Crimnea (sp?) so Obama responded by invading Nevada.

[77]

Guess this is what he meant when he told them he could be more flexible after the election!

[LumRaiderFan]

Putin invaded Crimnea (sp?) so Obama responded by invading Nevada.

 

In true cowardly Bill Clinton fashion...ignore the real bully and pick on the weaker kid.

[rolltides]

Right on folks we are a joke no one even fears us anymore. Watch for North Korea to get even more bolder, and Iran to ramp up production on that nuke.

[eagleswoodville#1]

Russia is the biggest threat the US has from a militaristic standpoint. It's not about having the "stomach" to go to war. It's about thinking about MILLIONS of lives that will be lost if we go to war with Russia and the potential of a Third World War. Russia is trying to provoke us and we are taking all the right steps right now.

[westend1]

Yeah, it's always the presidents fault when some country gets aggressive with it's neighbor.   Remind me please which president was responsible for north Korea invading the South,  Iraq going into Kuwait, and  the Serbian conflict

[NorthoftheBorder]

Yeah, it's always the presidents fault when some country gets aggressive with it's neighbor.   Remind me please which president was responsible for north Korea invading the South,  Iraq going into Kuwait, and  the Serbian conflict

Les see Serbia was a civil war, not Russia taking over.  North Korea has been stymied for 60+ years (wit loss of American lives) and we know how Desert Storm went, remarkably well.  Lets see it was two Democrats that led us into Vietnam and a Republican, under intense pressure at home who got us out.  I have a pretty good memory!!

[stevenash]

I think its fairly obvious that the early apology tour and drawing lines in the sand without honoring them have both proven to be counterproductive.

[westend1]

Les see Serbia was a civil war, not Russia taking over.  North Korea has been stymied for 60+ years (wit loss of American lives) and we know how Desert Storm went, remarkably well.  Lets see it was two Democrats that led us into Vietnam and a Republican, under intense pressure at home who got us out.  I have a pretty good memory!!

So, you sound like you want military action against Russia.  Is that it?    And,  I don't see how the war in Iraq went "remarkably well".    What did all that money and all those lives do for Americans?   Is the country now free from terrorism?  

 

But that is not the question.  Poster on here want to say that Russia is emboldened by presidential weakness.  No matter what our response, the same must have been true when Ike and Bush were in office.  Right? 

[thetragichippy]

Didn't some hostages get released when Reagan became President?

[westend1]

Didn't some hostages get released when Reagan became President?

Yeah.  Here is the story:

 

 In an effort to win release of the hostages, Marine Lt. Col. Oliver North, along with members of the National Security Council and the CIA, sold weapons to Iran. Iran, at the time engaged in a war with Iraq and considered a terrorist nation by the U.S., was believed to have influence with the hostage-takers. The Iranians were overcharged for the weapons, and North then funneled the extra proceeds from the arms sale to the contras in Nicaragua. The operation resulted in several direct violations of stated U.S. policy and congressional mandate.

Investigations during the Iran-contra affair revealed a "shadow government," operating without public knowledge or congressional approval, being run out of the White House. For months, Reagan refused to admit that arms were traded for hostages -- that he had, indeed, negotiated with terrorists. Meanwhile, congressional hearings were convened to investigate the illegal diversion of funds to the contras. The all-too-familiar question of "what did the president know, and when did he know it," summoned up the ghosts of Watergate.

[jv_coach]

Russia is the biggest threat the US has from a militaristic standpoint. It's not about having the "stomach" to go to war. It's about thinking about MILLIONS of lives that will be lost if we go to war with Russia and the potential of a Third World War. Russia is trying to provoke us and we are taking all the right steps right now.

So what is the trade off that goes with this? Are we really averting war or postponing the inevitable, and if we are postponing the inevitable instead of 10 million lives lost the world suffers 1 billion would that be better? I mean if WWII which was 70 years ago cost the lives of  50-70 million; saying WWIII will only cost 10 million is not understanding the seriousness of playing the appeasement card to countries who want to start a war. Ever heard of  Neville Chamberlain?

[stevenash]

Yeah.  Here is the story:
 
 In an effort to win release of the hostages, Marine Lt. Col. Oliver North, along with members of the National Security Council and the CIA, sold weapons to Iran. Iran, at the time engaged in a war with Iraq and considered a terrorist nation by the U.S., was believed to have influence with the hostage-takers. The Iranians were overcharged for the weapons, and North then funneled the extra proceeds from the arms sale to the contras in Nicaragua. The operation resulted in several direct violations of stated U.S. policy and congressional mandate.
Investigations during the Iran-contra affair revealed a "shadow government," operating without public knowledge or congressional approval, being run out of the White House. For months, Reagan refused to admit that arms were traded for hostages -- that he had, indeed, negotiated with terrorists. Meanwhile, congressional hearings were convened to investigate the illegal diversion of funds to the contras. The all-too-familiar question of "what did the president know, and when did he know it," summoned up the ghosts of Watergate.

Shadow Government? You mean like the IRS scandal?

[westend1]

Shadow Government? You mean like the IRS scandal?

Nah.  It was directed more at people who thought that Iran was so scared of Reagan that they cut  loose all the hostages.

[baddog]

Didn't some hostages get released when Reagan became President?

Not hours or day, but minutes after Reagan was sworn in, the hostages were released.

[NorthoftheBorder]

So, you sound like you want military action against Russia.  Is that it?    And,  I don't see how the war in Iraq went "remarkably well".    What did all that money and all those lives do for Americans?   Is the country now free from terrorism?  

 

But that is not the question.  Poster on here want to say that Russia is emboldened by presidential weakness.  No matter what our response, the same must have been true when Ike and Bush were in office.  Right? 

Let me help you past the revisionist history that promulgates our current society!!  It was American strength that brought down the Eastern Bloc wall!!  It is American weakness that now emboldens Putin to rebuild it.  If you want to try to make this a Republican/Democrat issue, you might want to check the quicksand you are standing on!!

[westend1]

Let me help you past the revisionist history that promulgates our current society!!  It was American strength that brought down the Eastern Bloc wall!!  It is American weakness that now emboldens Putin to rebuild it.  If you want to try to make this a Republican/Democrat issue, you might want to check the quicksand you are standing on!!

Ameircan strength brought down the wall.  LOL

[westend1]

Not hours or day, but minutes after Reagan was sworn in, the hostages were released.

Because Carter said he wouldn't negotiate with terrorists.  strange, huh?

[PN-G bamatex]

Because Carter said he wouldn't negotiate with terrorists.  strange, huh?

 

No, it was because Carter toasted the Shah in the months leading up to the end of his regime, and the revolutionaries refused to let him get credit for getting the hostages back.