RaiderRed30 Posted April 16, 2014 Report Posted April 16, 2014 These are the scores I have heard or seen Lumberton 7 Ozen 1 in the 6th LCM 3 Vidor 1 in the 6th Nederland 15 Central 0 Final Anyone have the PNG Livingston score? Quote
Fracc Posted April 16, 2014 Report Posted April 16, 2014 LCM 3 Vidor 2. Final Liv 2. PNG 0. 5th inning. Quote
Fracc Posted April 16, 2014 Report Posted April 16, 2014 Final. Livingston 4 PNG 1. Let the craziness begin. Quote
Fracc Posted April 16, 2014 Report Posted April 16, 2014 I have heard two possible scenarios for determining 4th place: 1. There will be two games. Two play and the winner of that game plays the third to see who advances. 2. The teams will be seed by run differential. Teams 3 is eliminated and teams 1 and 2 play one game and winner advances. Scenario 1 makes perfect sense and is consistent with the 2-way tie scenario between PNG and Livingston 2 years ago. Scenario 2 seems like a contradiction and the #3 team will feel slighted. We will find out. Quote
Fracc Posted April 16, 2014 Report Posted April 16, 2014 Congrats to my Lady Bears on a good season and good win tonight. Hope Russell was strong yet again on the mound and Taylor Fracc and Kayla Manuel went deep for the Bears. Looking forward to the play-offs. Great season by the Lady Pirates and congrats on the DC. Expecting them to make some noise in the play-offs this year. Good luck. Quote
AshlyHasBeen Posted April 16, 2014 Report Posted April 16, 2014 Coach Lemoine tells me PNG is out on run differential. Lumberton and Livingston will have a play-in. Quote
jordibug15 Posted April 16, 2014 Report Posted April 16, 2014 Any idea when and where the game with be Quote
smittycakes Posted April 16, 2014 Report Posted April 16, 2014 I heard lumberton is fourth playoff spot because head to head being all tied, and the next tie breaker was runs scored. Lumberton 19, Livingston 13 and Png 12 Quote
Eazy Posted April 16, 2014 Report Posted April 16, 2014 I heard lumberton is fourth playoff spot because head to head being all tied, and the next tie breaker was runs scored. Lumberton 19, Livingston 13 and Png 12 Let's hope not. Runs scored is a ridiculous tiebreaking method. If it was Runs allowed, then Lumberton would be last with that method. Is a team that wins games by a score of 4-3 better than a team that wins games by a score of 3-2? Of course not? All 3 teams are 1-1 against each other. The fairest way is Fracc's scenario #1 referred to above. Draw to see who gets the bye, and then play 2 games to decide the 4th spot. Settle it on the field. Fergton 1 Quote
jordibug15 Posted April 16, 2014 Report Posted April 16, 2014 I heard lumberton is fourth playoff spot because head to head being all tied, and the next tie breaker was runs scored. Lumberton 19, Livingston 13 and Png 12 Hope that's true. Would be happy for the girls Quote
AshlyHasBeen Posted April 16, 2014 Report Posted April 16, 2014 Coach Lemoine said the 3 way tie was decided by run differential knocking PNG out. She then said Livingston and Lumberton are tied so they would have a play-in game. Haven't heard back from either coach. Quote
AshlyHasBeen Posted April 16, 2014 Report Posted April 16, 2014 Usually run differential only decided who's out in a 3-way tie then the remaining two teams play it out. I've never heard of the final spot being decided just on run differential. Quote
badndn Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 Coach Lemoine said the 3 way tie was decided by run differential knocking PNG out. She then said Livingston and Lumberton are tied so they would have a play-in game. Haven't heard back from either coach. Funny because Coach Lemoine told her girls today at PRACTICE that she had not heard back from the District yet on the ruling. If any one is eliminated on runs or rundifferential and not via an actually loss then this district will have set a poor example. Poll the coaches and you will find out that they think it should be played out. Hell use run differential to determine who gets the playin game bye even. Quote
AshlyHasBeen Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 My info was a direct message from Coach Lemoine. She wasn't happy about it either so maybe the district is reconsidering. Quote
AshlyHasBeen Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 This was her message. Run differential, terrible rule by the way, puts us out and they're even so they need to set up a play in game. Quote
Fracc Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 I am surprised it is taking this long...can only assume this means not decided yet. Need to get on with it if there will be game(s) with a holiday weekend coming up. Quote
AshlyHasBeen Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 Latest word from Lemoine is District 20-4A will have an official decision tomorrow at noon on the Lumberton, Livingston and PNG tiebreaker. Quote
PNGDAD Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 I believe the hold up is because there was a question about how the run differential is calculated. I believe the rule book says total season differential not head to head of teams tied. They are waiting on a state clarification of the rule. Quote
Eazy Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 I would assume that this scenario would be defined in the district tiebreaker rules, but maybe not. Quote
AshlyHasBeen Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 Tiebreakers are strictly a district decision. They define what their tiebreaker system is. Quote
Eazy Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 It is pre-defined though, right? Can the decision be made after the season is complete? Quote
AshlyHasBeen Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 It's usually predetermined. The problem is sometimes a district only defines the first or second tiebreaker. After that it's up in the air. Another issue arises when something is not clearly defined. In this case it could be the run differential definition of what games to use. I haven't seen the actual wording they use so I'm not sure. Especially with it being softball where pitching isn't as much of an issue I don't see why they don't play it out in a 3-team single elimination tournament. You could even flip for the bye in that tournament. Quote
OneChance Posted April 17, 2014 Report Posted April 17, 2014 I say play a three game round robin and clearly define what the tie breaker is if they all go 1-1. If one team goes 2-0 then you leave no doubt! Quote
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